Trades & Free Agency Thread: Off-season Edition

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Fogelhund

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I feel it's going to be Tanev, resign Domi, Bertuzzi, Boosh.

That's it. Pretty much running it back.

I don't mind Boosh, if we don't get an upgrade to partner with Rielly... to me, Boosh is the low end Morgan partner... and then we upgrade the McCabe second pairing parter, with a high end puck mover.

But to bring on Tanev AND bring back Boosh... both guys who aren't known to be puck movers... that's a mistake. We need a defensive specialist, and a puck mover... at minimum.
 

LEAFANFORLIFE23

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Utah is a low tax state... Marner is all about money.

Where YOU would want to live is pretty irrelevant. It's actually a very pretty state, with low costs, and low taxes. After all the attention, and most of it negative, he probably wouldn't mind going somewhere and living an anonymous life, making $12 million, and paying State income taxes at 4.65%. (Ya, you read that right) With their collection of picks, young players etc... they should be competitive soon. Marner gets to be the top dog.

Bottom line, what you would want, is completely irrelevant. Maybe he doesn't want to go there... but those are the two teams that make the most sense IMO for the Leafs.

Maybe they do, but Marner has the contractual right to tell brad to piss off.

If he wants a low tax area he can get that in Texas, Florida, Nevada, Tennessee and he can be on a team that isn't ass.

Utah and Seattle might be the teams that make the most sense for Toronto but that doesn't matter when all Marner has to do is say 1 word.

"No"

That's it It's that simple that's all he has to say
 

Fogelhund

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Maybe they do, but Marner has the contractual right to tell brad to piss off.

If he wants a low tax area he can get that in Texas, Florida, Nevada, Tennessee and he can be on a team that isn't ass.

Utah and Seattle might be the teams that make the most sense for Toronto but that doesn't matter when all Marner has to do is say 1 word.

"No"

That's it It's that simple that's all he has to say

That's all fine.. but most of those teams have little need for a Marner. (florida, tampa, dallas have no need, and no cap)(Vegas has no cap, and would create huge holes no matter who they send) Plus Marner could say no to them too....

Projecting your viewpoint on where he'd want to go, is irrelevant... if Brad comes to Marner's group with a deal, it's the one he thinks is the best for the Leafs... if Marner says no, that's fine....
 

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SprDaVE

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well the season officially ended what 4 days ago? Probably better to give it a few more hours/ days, huh?

They've had a lot more than 4 days to the start of the offseason. We will see what happens but it has not been a great and optimistic start other than doing the bare minimum of changing the coach . That can change.
 
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Signing Bertuzzi to a 4 or 5 year contract is exactly the type of deal that the team will have to spend assets to get out from under in a few years.

While it's fair for have those concerns, one thing I've changed my mind on in recently is if you really want the player, just get them. There's always ways to dump a player later if need be. Especially if the contract ends before they're 35.
 

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I dunno… just seems like we’re running it back. I’m expecting Tanev to come in, Bertuzzi snd Domi come back and we sign Brossoit
 

Evilhomer

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Bertuzzi is 29 years old. If we can get him at an AAV around 5.5 million, I don't think a 4-5 year contract will become an anchor.
Outside of a single season of his career, he is a 20ish goal, 45ish point player, and that includes playing a good chunk of last season on the top line. I don't understand why people want 4-5 years of that.
 

JKG33

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Maybe they do, but Marner has the contractual right to tell brad to piss off.

If he wants a low tax area he can get that in Texas, Florida, Nevada, Tennessee and he can be on a team that isn't ass.

Utah and Seattle might be the teams that make the most sense for Toronto but that doesn't matter when all Marner has to do is say 1 word.

"No"

That's it It's that simple that's all he has to say
Any team that restructures their cap to cave to Marner's contract demands will likely be well on their way to being "ass"
 

Rare Jewel

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I dunno… just seems like we’re running it back. I’m expecting Tanev to come in, Bertuzzi snd Domi come back and we sign Brossoit
It's early still, but I'm quite confident that Marner will be moved.

However, he's due a signing bonus on July 1st and getting past that may be important. Unfortunately, that does ruin anyone's hopes of picking in the top 10-15 tonight though.
 

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I don't mind Boosh, if we don't get an upgrade to partner with Rielly... to me, Boosh is the low end Morgan partner... and then we upgrade the McCabe second pairing parter, with a high end puck mover.

But to bring on Tanev AND bring back Boosh... both guys who aren't known to be puck movers... that's a mistake. We need a defensive specialist, and a puck mover... at minimum.

I assume Tanev would be Rielly's partner, with Lyubushkin around as injury insurance who would spend most of the season on the 3rd pair. They need another guy for the 2nd pair.
 
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Stephen

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Yep

Consider myself whelmed.

Doesn’t seem like management has the gusto to make the changes needed. Hope I’m wrong!

I was looking at the Edmonton and Florida rosters and struck by how many guys from the 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016 drafts were on the roster: basically McDavid, Draisaitl, Reinhart, Ekblad, Tkachuk, Barkov, Bennett.

Which tells me the next couple of Stanley Cups will be driven by players from this age group, slightly shifting up as we go.

Makes me think we need to start targeting guys from the 2016-2019 drafts for reclamation potential. So if there’s anything we can do to quietly solve some long term problems it might be to start scooping up those “disappointing” young players from this era and hope some of them pan out.

A guy like Kieffer Bellows makes sense and fits that profile. The guy is so far off the mark so far but if you’re going to find the next Verhaeghe you need to dig deep. If management can scoop up a handful of these guys I’ll be happy to see it as good housekeeping, plant some seeds.
 
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Dekes For Days

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Barely a top 10 producer in the regular season and not even a top 25 producer in the playoffs during those contracts.
One of the best producers in the league (and a top 2 producer on the team) in the regular season and playoffs, while playing the toughest roles on the team and bringing elite defense and PKing. Replacing his impacts within his cap space would be incredibly difficult, and Treliving has not shown an ability to do that.
Well, Games 1-3/4 in the 1st round is much easier to get points in
That is not true. Where did you get this idea from? In fact, the SCF had a higher average goals per game than the rest of the playoffs. Historically, there is no round-based production effects. The only time historically that production tends to dip is game 7s in any round.
These other players over a PPG in the playoffs had easy routes.
They faced situations more conducive to production, that's for sure. You're looking at team-based production changes caused by mostly external differences in situations faced and crediting/blaming individuals that simply follow that trend. Even more ridiculous, our issue has been conversion, not generation, and you're blaming the person who primarily generates, not a converter.
Even when the route to the cup or even further advancement in the playoffs was easy for us it wasn't.
The route to the cup has never been easy for us. The Atlantic division has been represented in the cup finals 7 times in the last 6 years, and the division has been stacked with elite goaltenders that have put up elite performances against both us and quite a few other teams on their runs. Since 2018-2019, the goalies we have faced have combined for +75.7 GSAx through their cup runs against a wide variety of teams, and have won Cups, Conn Smythes, Vezinas, set playoff records, etc. Good defenses can and have been overcome. Breaking through a hot elite goalie is not so simple. They have extraordinary impact on games.
Trades that happen in the real world aren't the ones you see on a video game. You aren't gonna get everything you want and what you get you probably aren't gonna be happy with most likely, especially when it involves a star player.
Exactly. It's stupid to do. There's no realistic proposals that make us better.
3 years with good defence and depth and we still failed. Is that really the standard we accept around here now?
All teams except one fail every year. Not winning the cup with a great team does not mean it's a good idea to make yourself worse and screw up your future chances.
We never beat Tampa despite you saying we were one of the best teams in the league all those years.
We did beat Tampa one of those years, and we deserved to beat them the year before too.
He was overpaid off his ELC. He had 1 season where he got more than 70 points and that 1 contract year earned him 11 million dollars out of his ELC?
He was not overpaid off of his ELC, and it wasn't just based off of 1 year. He got the 10th highest post-ELC cap hit percentage in the cap era, term considered, after the 6th best pre-signing period. He earned it, both at the time, and since.
 

Fogelhund

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I assume Tanev would be Rielly's partner, with Lyubushkin around as injury insurance who would spend most of the season on the 3rd pair. They need another guy for the 2nd pair.
If we bring in Tanev, bring back Boosh... and Domi and Bert are resigned... the second pairing guy is likely Liljegren, just by virtue of a available cap space. That's if Marner and nobody else is traded.

$18.8 mil in cap space.

$5 (at least) for Tanev.
$3.5-4 mil for each of Bert and Domi
$2.5 mil for Boosh and Liljegren
That's $17-18 mil right there... and still need to sign Robertson and a Goalie.

Without moving bodies.... there isn't much room for another guy on the second pair out of Free Agency.

Literally our changes from last year would be... adding Tanev and that's it. Ouch.
 

Jozay

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Leafs need to sign players that have the potential to provide surplus value.

I get over paying for a Dman because they desperately need it, but I cant see how paying wingers will lead to more success.

Pro scouting needs to hit another level. Paying Bertuzzi and Domi doesnt seem like the winning formula.
 

Torontonian

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If we bring in Tanev, bring back Boosh... and Domi and Bert are resigned... the second pairing guy is likely Liljegren, just by virtue of a available cap space. That's if Marner and nobody else is traded.

$18.8 mil in cap space.

$5 (at least) for Tanev.
$3.5-4 mil for each of Bert and Domi
$2.5 mil for Boosh and Liljegren
That's $17-18 mil right there... and still need to sign Robertson and a Goalie.

Without moving bodies.... there isn't much room for another guy on the second pair out of Free Agency.

Literally our changes from last year would be... adding Tanev and that's it. Ouch.
It would be interesting to see them justify bring EVERYONE back and adding only one piece come September.

I think in the coming days you'll see Lillypad moved (they have till Sunday to give him his QO I believe, and Toronto is afraid he declines and goes in arb, they will give him more then they want). And will see one of Jankrok/Kampf/Reaves moved for cap space and to give the team a "different" look.
 

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