Trades & Free Agency Thread: Off-season Edition

[BertCorbeau]

The right picks and prospects contribute pretty much right away. They also extend our window, with contract and price control. A deal with Seattle, for Wright and #8... see's Wright as our 3C this year, and the #8 maybe this year, maybe next year... A deal with Utah, likely sees #6... and maybe Guenther, or McBain + Crouse.... in either case, #6 plays this year or next... Guenther this year, and certainly McBain and Crouse would contribute right away.... the idea, target prospects that are ready now, and picks that contribute in the next year or two. This isn't a rebuild, but making cap room, and picking up high end pieces, with cost control for years is a far more intelligent move, than picking up some thirty year old D man, with an expiring contract in a year or two.

Those picks and prospects can also be leveraged in future trades to improve the team.

I think the Leafs lose an attempted pure hockey trade Marner more than they would by getting a good collection of picks/prospects

 

[Sypher04]

The right picks and prospects contribute pretty much right away. They also extend our window, with contract and price control. A deal with Seattle, for Wright and #8... see's Wright as our 3C this year, and the #8 maybe this year, maybe next year... A deal with Utah, likely sees #6... and maybe Guenther, or McBain + Crouse.... in either case, #6 plays this year or next... Guenther this year, and certainly McBain and Crouse would contribute right away.... the idea, target prospects that are ready now, and picks that contribute in the next year or two. This isn't a rebuild, but making cap room, and picking up high end pieces, with cost control for years is a far more intelligent move, than picking up some thirty year old D man, with an expiring contract in a year or two.

A prospect that’s NHL ready for sure is one thing. I don’t think picks make any sense for us personally. And end of the day you’re still going to have to take cap back so you better make it count.

 

[Fogelhund]

Those picks and prospects can also be leveraged in future trades to improve the team.

I think the Leafs lose an attempted pure hockey trade Marner more than they would by getting a good collection of picks/prospects

I'm not worried about leveraging those picks... I think there are enough D on the market that we can improve the team there.... moving out Marner, Kampf, Jarnkrok gives us a lot of cap room to fill in the blanks.

 

[pspot]

With all the moves nj has made you’d have to think they’d move the 10th

 

[Fogelhund]

A prospect that’s NHL ready for sure is one thing. I don’t think picks make any sense for us personally. And end of the day you’re still going to have to take cap back so you better make it count.

Neither Utah, nor Seattle require us to take back any cap. High end picks, that see us likely picking high end players, absolutely make sense. I can't believe anyone would say adding a Lindstrom, Dickinson, Demidov or Parekh to this org, wouldn't be a massive win. These are high end players, and will be contributing within a year or two, in a very productive way. Adding high end players, at ELC prices for years is absolutely a win.

 

[ULF_55]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806492762088382558

So a 43 point forward is willing to take less than $5.5mm on a long term deal?

 

[dubplatepressure]

So a 43 point forward is willing to take less than $5.5mm on a long term deal?

Shocking right? I don't think Bert should make anything more than $4M.

 

[Sypher04]

Neither Utah, nor Seattle require us to take back any cap. High end picks, that see us likely picking high end players, absolutely make sense. I can't believe anyone would say adding a Lindstrom, Dickinson, Demidov or Parekh to this org, wouldn't be a massive win. These are high end players, and will be contributing within a year or two, in a very productive way. Adding high end players, at ELC prices for years is absolutely a win.

In theory. In reality, every one of those players is a gamble until they prove they can do it at the NHL level.

I think it’s still highly improbable either team takes his full cap hit. But sure if they will that changes things a bit

 

[Fogelhund]

In theory. In reality, every one of those players is a gamble until they prove they can do it at the NHL level.

No matter who you obtain, there is an element of a gamble to it.

 

[LeafsFan89]

I've learned to just enjoy the fun regular season hockey, with Matthews being probably the best goal scorer we'll ever see on the team... he's a special player and you'd hate to miss out on watching some of it.

But I've also learned to abandon hope in the playoffs, and not pay as much attention.

That's what I struggle with. Assuming he signs another contract with Toronto, he's going to be the most prolific scorer in franchise history.

But the bad performance in the playoffs and general lack of effort for 70 games a season just leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Bro is just game. Why you heff to be mad

I used to get rage mad until the Columbus series. Since then, I am kind of numb.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The right picks and prospects contribute pretty much right away. They also extend our window, with contract and price control. A deal with Seattle, for Wright and #8... see's Wright as our 3C this year, and the #8 maybe this year, maybe next year... A deal with Utah, likely sees #6... and maybe Guenther, or McBain + Crouse.... in either case, #6 plays this year or next... Guenther this year, and certainly McBain and Crouse would contribute right away.... the idea, target prospects that are ready now, and picks that contribute in the next year or two. This isn't a rebuild, but making cap room, and picking up high end pieces, with cost control for years is a far more intelligent move, than picking up some thirty year old D man, with an expiring contract in a year or two.

That's fantastic but it's unrealistic that he waives for Utah, because it's Utah why would he want to leave a good team to go to Utah? Also why would he want to live in Utah? Forget the team which sucks and has for years.

But then he has to go from Toronto to Utah, I know where I'd rather live and it's not Utah.

Seattle is a bit different, It's a better location but I'm still not convinced he'd waive to go there.

I'm thinking Vegas, Dallas, if he's open to a bad team maybe the Ducks because at least they are in California, MAYBE Chicago to play with Bedard.

Not really Seattle and even less Utah, I'd be SHOCKED if It's Utah

 

[Sypher04]

No matter who you obtain, there is an element of a gamble to it.

This is true, but I wouldn’t equate the gamble of acquiring an established NHL player vs a prospect and counting on them to be an impact player.

 

[aingefan]

It's a bullshit-o-meter

The higher the e the more likely he stole it from a bad source. The lower the e, the more likely he heard it on the bus

Exactly.
The higher the number, the more confident he is that the sh!t he slings will be sticky.

 

[ULF_55]

What would the hypothetical trade between Utah and Leafs look like?

Marner for:

Crouse + McBain + picks/prospects?

All their forwards whose first name starts with an 'L'.

 

[supermann_98]

Kings and Jets boards would appreciate you spouting your genius. Go there.

Here here

 

[aingefan]

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just run it back I guess lol

This wreaks of a lowball, correct your public image, team friendly offer….to help motivate him.
With a potential ‘we’re not facilitating an 8th year if you play this out.’

 

[aingefan]

Signing Bertuzzi to a 4 or 5 year contract is exactly the type of deal that the team will have to spend assets to get out from under in a few years.

Agreed. Not fussed on the term. There’s already lotsa lw’s on the roster and coming.

 

[Fogelhund]

That's fantastic but it's unrealistic that he waives for Utah, because it's Utah why would he want to leave a good team to go to Utah? Also why would he want to live in Utah? Forget the team which sucks and has for years.

But then he has to go from Toronto to Utah, I know where I'd rather live and it's not Utah.

Seattle is a bit different, It's a better location but I'm still not convinced he'd waive to go there.

I'm thinking Vegas, Dallas, if he's open to a bad team maybe the Ducks because at least they are in California, MAYBE Chicago to play with Bedard.

Not really Seattle and even less Utah, I'd be SHOCKED if It's Utah

Utah is a low tax state... Marner is all about money.

Where YOU would want to live is pretty irrelevant. It's actually a very pretty state, with low costs, and low taxes. After all the attention, and most of it negative, he probably wouldn't mind going somewhere and living an anonymous life, making $12 million, and paying State income taxes at 4.65%. (Ya, you read that right) With their collection of picks, young players etc... they should be competitive soon. Marner gets to be the top dog.

Bottom line, what you would want, is completely irrelevant. Maybe he doesn't want to go there... but those are the two teams that make the most sense IMO for the Leafs.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Dreger on Free Agent Frenzy, Bertuzzi and Domi potentially staying with Leafs and more - TSN.ca

TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger joins us to chat about Free Agent Frenzy, negotiations between Steven Stamkos and the Lightning, if Chris Tanev can get up to five years, Tyler Bertuzzi motivated to stay with the Leafs, future of Jake Guentzel and more.

 

[Fogelhund]

This is true, but I wouldn’t equate the gamble of acquiring an established NHL player vs a prospect and counting on them to be an impact player.

Honestly, any deal we make for Marner, it's more probable that a #6 to #8 pick, has a bigger impact, that some D that we'd get back.

 

[leafsfan5]

We still need some puck moving on the backend

When things get tight we don't have enough defenseman who can make a play offensively

Exactly, we need more mobility. I'd love Roy and one of Carrier/Walker as we're addressing a lot of our weaknesses there

 

[SprDaVE]

Sounds like the Leafs have Domi and Bertuzzi commited to some degree, unless a team gives them a huge deal, but they want to make sure they can get the defensemen they want first to make sure the cap hits aligns.

Doesn't seem like a team that wants to change much.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Sounds like the Leafs have Domi and Bertuzzi commited to some degree, unless a team gives them a huge deal, but they want to make sure they can get the defensemen they want first to make sure the cap hits aligns.

Doesn't seem like a team that wants to change much.

well the season officially ended what 4 days ago? Probably better to give it a few more hours/ days, huh?

 

[LeafsFan89]

Sounds like the Leafs have Domi and Bertuzzi commited to some degree, unless a team gives them a huge deal, but they want to make sure they can get the defensemen they want first to make sure the cap hits aligns.

Doesn't seem like a team that wants to change much.

I feel it's going to be Tanev, resign Domi, Bertuzzi, Boosh.

That's it. Pretty much running it back.

 

[1specter]

Sounds like the Leafs have Domi and Bertuzzi commited to some degree, unless a team gives them a huge deal, but they want to make sure they can get the defensemen they want first to make sure the cap hits aligns.

Doesn't seem like a team that wants to change much.

Well, the area that needs the most change is the defense lol. We're pretty much set at forward for a while, another C would be nice but maybe they're banking on developing Minten or Cowan there. The key cog in all of this will be what happens with Marner obviously.