WTFMAN99
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It's true!
I couldn't think of a worse fit for Jarnkrok, they have quite a few forwards.
It's true!
Kubalik, Pearson, Sprong and Blais
Pearson and Blais with Dewar make a nice 4th line
Kubalik Holmberg Sprong gives some secondary scoring on a 3rd line
Realistically, he's likely trying to stay healthy and have a big season ahead of free agency.
Of those 4 teams you listed these would be the players I'd like personally.If he would go there. They would absolutely be the best fit.
Johnny hockey/monahan
Fantilli/marner
Tons of prospects.
It would work
More likely I would say Vegas. They have terrible wingers
Carolina I could totally see a necas for Marner at 775k deal.
But Seattle still has the best opening in my mind. All the peices we need and a legit shot to be in the playoffs.
Would he sit in Vancouver?
What about a system in which cap hits are calculated as to what they’d be after taxes? So for instance, if the cap were like $85 million, a team could potentially spend over the cap in gross dollars but once taxes are involved, come in as cap compliant. Maybe I’m not explaining it as I’m meaning it, perhaps it’s a dumb idea. I’d love to hear some thoughts on it in any case, for or against
Montreal would be the highest: provincial tax rate for incomes > $125K is 25.75%, Ontario is 13.16% for incomes > $220K. Granted, Quebecers receive a federal tax abatement which is worth about 3% lowering the difference from 12.49% to 9.49%, but it's still a hefty difference. I do a lot of income taxes for people in Ontario (Ottawa) and Quebec (Gatineau) so very familiar with their tax brackets.Capfriendly has Toronto listed as the highest income tax rate in the league. Does this mean you expect Toronto to pay more for every single player than they should be paid to play for any other team?
no the CRA can still deem you a resident if they so please based on a combination of primary factors and secondary factors and a bank account is one of them. I'll double check my tax textbook but this is one of the first things I learned.Yes and no, bc people with work visa will have bank account in Canada even if they work for 3 months. While owning a home indicates having roots.
I do think pro athletes do have a different set of regulations from CRA and the government than an average person. As they will look at their cases a bit different. For example, if a Canadian company want to hire a foreigner to come work in Canada, ko matter how special and unique that job is, need to apply for work visa….but that’s not really the case for the Jays or NHL teams.
this wouldnt work. because taxes work on a ladder basis creating a marginal tax rate. the entire premise is flawed. We should tax sales tax, foreign exchange factor, property tax, retirement shelter vehicles and all into the equation then.A quick way would be to compare the top tax rate for each province/state to find the lowest for those that have a state/provincial tax. Then charge that percentage as a cap tax for no tax states. It is true that the highest U.S. federal tax rate is > that the Cdn federal highest rate but that's why you use the lowest state/provincial rate.
For e.g, if the lowest state tax rate is 5%, then charge a 5% cap tax to the no state tax teams. So if the cap is at $100 million, their cap space would be $95 million. Yes, it will add some difficulty to making trades between tax/no tax jurisdictions, but if a no state tax team trades with a tax team, they'll have to either get money retained to make the trade or keep some cap space available for these types of transactions. The southern teams will still have an advantage due to weather and less media coverage, but it would make it more equitable than it currently is when it comes to money.
you know that the US and Canada have a different opinion on residency versus citizenship on taxation right? For years NYR players lived in conneticut to avoid taxes, if your theory was true then what would their reasoning be to live in conneticut, play in NYC and still command exorbitant salaries?Yes. And those “primary and secondary factors” are referred to as greater financial ties in articles.
Everyone says it’s so much more complex.
But if you look at stars signing jn high tax markets across Canada and the us.
You are going to see all the salaries group between 13.5-14.5
And the low tax between 11.25-12.25
That’s across Multiple teams gms stages of winning climate etc
Cap friendly is wrong. California and NY have higher rates.Capfriendly has Toronto listed as the highest income tax rate in the league. Does this mean you expect Toronto to pay more for every single player than they should be paid to play for any other team?
no worries! I haven't been in tax in a while but have pretty decent cursory knowledge of it and it grates my gears when opportunists get our fanbase up in arms over something thats trivial and allows the fanbase to let idiots off the hook up top.Ah, ok. Thanks for the insight.
Think it will happen after they trade Nicky RobbieStill rooting for a Nylander Brothers reunion in Toronto this fall. The guy is still young enough to be a reclamation and has some offensive skills you can get cheap. He played in Mississauga so has lived in Toronto.
you know that the US and Canada have a different opinion on residency versus citizenship on taxation right? For years NYR players lived in conneticut to avoid taxes, if your theory was true then what would their reasoning be to live in conneticut, play in NYC and still command exorbitant salaries?
Sojourning rules apply as well if players train in Canada all offseason and then are here for 183 days theyre considered a resident for tax purposes. If player x playing for the Kings was in Canada for 183 days of games and training and offseason he would be considered a resident as well. Suffice to say this is not some simple apply the marginal tax rate and thats why we're paying more scenario
Cap friendly is wrong. California and NY have higher rates.
Hell NY has 3 layers of income tax down to the city level.
no worries! I haven't been in tax in a while but have pretty decent cursory knowledge of it and it grates my gears when opportunists get our fanbase up in arms over something thats trivial and allows the fanbase to let idiots off the hook up top.
you know that the US and Canada have a different opinion on residency versus citizenship on taxation right? For years NYR players lived in conneticut to avoid taxes, if your theory was true then what would their reasoning be to live in conneticut, play in NYC and still command exorbitant salaries?
Sojourning rules apply as well if players train in Canada all offseason and then are here for 183 days theyre considered a resident for tax purposes. If player x playing for the Kings was in Canada for 183 days of games and training and offseason he would be considered a resident as well. Suffice to say this is not some simple apply the marginal tax rate and thats why we're paying more scenario
Cap friendly is wrong. California and NY have higher rates.
Hell NY has 3 layers of income tax down to the city level.
no worries! I haven't been in tax in a while but have pretty decent cursory knowledge of it and it grates my gears when opportunists get our fanbase up in arms over something thats trivial and allows the fanbase to let idiots off the hook up top.
Of those 4 teams you listed these would be the players I'd like personally.
Vegas- I honestly do not know. They don't have any cap atm, I'm not too familiar with their prospects and they don't have a 1st round pick next year. I think players wise Karlsson and Roy are the 2 main ones I feel like people would say but with no 1st round picks the next 2 years I just don't see a trade working out there that makes sense for us.
Carolina- Necas, Nikishin(if he plans on coming over here) and their 1st round pick.
Seattle- Bjorkstrand, Wright/Rehkopf or both and their 1st round pick
Vancouver- Another tough one because they are so close to the cap. Boeser and Garland make the cap close since I don't think they'd trade Miller. Raty is the only prospect I really know since I wanted us to draft him. Willander but idk if they'd want to move him. They also go their 1st round pick.
So yeah, based off those teams I'd say Carolina and Seattle would be best for us trade wise and Columbus as well if he'd be ok with that. LA could be another good one since they do got cap space and got some things we need. Danault could be a very good 3C for us. Clarke is an obvious fit for us. We could grant Robertson his wish and involve him as well and get much more like their 1st round pick, Akil Thomas, Kaliev, Pinelli and etc. Would be fun and I think a good change overall imo.
you know that the US and Canada have a different opinion on residency versus citizenship on taxation right? For years NYR players lived in conneticut to avoid taxes, if your theory was true then what would their reasoning be to live in conneticut, play in NYC and still command exorbitant salaries?
Sojourning rules apply as well if players train in Canada all offseason and then are here for 183 days theyre considered a resident for tax purposes. If player x playing for the Kings was in Canada for 183 days of games and training and offseason he would be considered a resident as well. Suffice to say this is not some simple apply the marginal tax rate and thats why we're paying more scenario
Cap friendly is wrong. California and NY have higher rates.
Hell NY has 3 layers of income tax down to the city level.
no worries! I haven't been in tax in a while but have pretty decent cursory knowledge of it and it grates my gears when opportunists get our fanbase up in arms over something thats trivial and allows the fanbase to let idiots off the hook up top.
you know that the US and Canada have a different opinion on residency versus citizenship on taxation right? For years NYR players lived in conneticut to avoid taxes, if your theory was true then what would their reasoning be to live in conneticut, play in NYC and still command exorbitant salaries?
Sojourning rules apply as well if players train in Canada all offseason and then are here for 183 days theyre considered a resident for tax purposes. If player x playing for the Kings was in Canada for 183 days of games and training and offseason he would be considered a resident as well. Suffice to say this is not some simple apply the marginal tax rate and thats why we're paying more scenario
Cap friendly is wrong. California and NY have higher rates.
Hell NY has 3 layers of income tax down to the city level.
no worries! I haven't been in tax in a while but have pretty decent cursory knowledge of it and it grates my gears when opportunists get our fanbase up in arms over something thats trivial and allows the fanbase to let idiots off the hook up top.
Stamkos set the precedent in Tampa for Kuch, Vasy and Point to follow. Not too complicated. Somehow those players found a way to survive on 9.5M a year and they have been rewarded with 2 cups. Of note: Kucherov had scored 100 points once when he signed his contract in 2018. Point had one season above a point per game pace when he signed in 2021. Vasy was the 3rd highest paid goalie in the league (still is) when he signed in 2019 after a historic sweep in the 1st round.No state tax markers have NEVER signed a single star at over 13% of the cap. One got 13% (Benn) the rest are 11-12.25: kuch. Stamkos. Point. Vasy. Benn. Seguin. Barkov. Tkachuk. Reinhart. Josi. Saros.
All of the players in no state tax markets are just selfless or they all have incredible hard nosed GMs. Who were never that before they got there….. Stevie Y got stamkos on 8.5 in Tampa. And just paid Justin holl 3.4.
It’s pretty suspicious
Apparently CJ said that it's more likely that Marner walks next year. If that's the case wtf is this front office doing by not putting pressure.
That's not really an option though. You can't let a hall of fame player walk for nothing in his prime.Apparently CJ said that it's more likely that Marner walks next year. If that's the case wtf is this front office doing by not putting pressure.
I just listened to his podcast that was posted 18 hours ago. He does 4 minutes on Marner. He never said this.Apparently CJ said that it's more likely that Marner walks next year. If that's the case wtf is this front office doing by not putting pressure.
Stamkos set the precedent in Tampa for Kuch, Vasy and Point to follow. Not too complicated. Somehow those players found a way to survive on 9.5M a year and they have been rewarded with 2 cups. Of note: Kucherov had scored 100 points once when he signed his contract in 2018. Point had one season above a point per game pace when he signed in 2021. Vasy was the 3rd highest paid goalie in the league (still is) when he signed in 2019 after a historic sweep in the 1st round.
Barkov was fairly paid relative to what he had accomplished in his career when he signed in 2021. Tkachuk followed the internal salary structure and came in behind Barkov, Reinhart did the same and came in behind Tkachuk. They somehow decided they could survive with 76M and 69M.
Benn was the 4th highest paid player in the league when he signed. Arguably an overpay. Seguin was in the top 10 highest paid in the league when he signed which again is arguably an overpay.
Josi signed as a one-time 60 point defenseman for 9M. Again - arguably an overpay at the time. He has since won a norris. Saros was seen as an overpay almost immediately given he starts his next contract at 30. No one wanted to sign that contract on this board.
That's not really an option though. You can't let a hall of fame player walk for nothing in his prime.
The answer to the problem has to be different than that or the men in charge should be let go shortly after.
That's not really an option though. You can't let a hall of fame player walk for nothing in his prime.
The answer to the problem has to be different than that or the men in charge should be let go shortly after.
Can't we just let JT walk? He's old as shit.If he won’t accept a trade, letting him walk is the best option. He cannot be resigned, even at what he thinks is a discount.