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bossram said:
It's kind of strange criticism saying the Leafs were "too soft", when they lost to Montreal because they couldn't score.

Half the board, and all of of the MSM, were praising Dubas for getting "tough, character guys" like Bogosian, Simmonds, and Foligno. Now you're all walking it back again. Just bizarre.
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Yup and what did they do?
Simmonds wax awful after the injury
Foligno didn't work out. But yeah Dubas took a risk going with older vets and lost. He'll try again this year to go after things the core lack and prob fail again
 
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Cor said:
I had a dream we acquired Palat from them.

No idea what the return was, but for some reason there was a massive introductory presser because we acquired him, and everyone was losing their shit like Palat was the god of hockey coming to the mecca of hockey lmao
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Killorn would be an interesting add...less enthused because of the whole fracture in the playoffs but at 4.25M and only 2 years, he could do Hyman things at the term we'd really want for Hyman.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
I don't want to say "should have won" - should/deserve aren't in the vocabulary in sports. You earn things. Leafs haven't earned shit yet with this group which is why there isn't a ton of optimism with them, only they can change the narrative.
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When you play like the better team, there is such a thing as 'should' and 'deserve'. There is no such thing as "guarantee" though, and the Leafs are the textbook example of that. We were the better team the last 3 years. We still lost. It's tough, but it is not the same as getting our asses handed to us or looking like we did not belong in the series in the first place. That has never happened to us in the playoffs. Some think it stings more when you were the better team, and some think it is promising for things to come. Management clearly thinks it is the latter.
 
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Cor said:
I had a dream we acquired Palat from them.

No idea what the return was, but for some reason there was a massive introductory presser because we acquired him, and everyone was losing their shit like Palat was the god of hockey coming to the mecca of hockey lmao
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Wow, you've lose all respect for the fanbase and the media.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
When you play like the better team, there is such a thing as 'should' and 'deserve'. There is no such thing as "guarantee" though, and the Leafs are the textbook example of that. We were the better team the last 3 years. We still lost. It's tough, but it is not the same as getting our asses handed to us or looking like we did not belong in the series in the first place. That has never happened to us in the playoffs. Some think it stings more when you were the better team, and some think it is promising for things to come. Management clearly thinks it is the latter.
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Dubas hopes it's the latter or else he's built a real pile of crap.
 
We should be spending money on the 3rd line and not the top 2 LWs. Virtually anyone can play on those top 2 lines and be successful.
 
Lumberg said:
Yup and what did they do?
Simmonds wax awful after the injury
Foligno didn't work out. But yeah Dubas took a risk going with older vets and lost. He'll try again this year to go after things the core lack and prob fail again
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People don’t realize the cost of having good physical players, they’re not cheap and certainly not in the Leafs budget. It will be amusing to see what misfit toys boy wonder can conger up for this season? Should be lots of fodder to mull over…….
 
Trade's Id like to see

Trade 1: Revamp the defense going younger
To Toronto: Marcus Petterson from Penguins

To Detroit: 2022 2nd round pick from Penguin for retaining 50% of his deal

To Penguins: Pierre Engvall

Trade 2: Bring in a high octane offensive forward via Muzzin

To Chicago: Jake Muzzin

To Toronto: Dominik Kubalik extend to a 5 year 5M contract

Trade 3: Add some young assets/picks via Kerfoot

To Arizona: Alex Kerfoot

To Toronto: 2022 3rd + Fischer

Kubalik - Matthews- Marner
Galchenyuk - JT - Nylander
Bunting - 3C UFA (Brassard, Getzlaf, etc) - Robertson
Mikheyev - Spezza - Fischer/Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Pettersson - Holl/Dermott (whoever Seattle does not take)
Sandin - Lilijgren

Campbell
Dreidger
 
hamzarocks said:
Trade's Id like to see

Trade 1: Revamp the defense going younger
To Toronto: Marcus Petterson from Penguins

To Detroit: 2022 2nd round pick from Penguin for retaining 50% of his deal

To Penguins: Pierre Engvall

Trade 2: Bring in a high octane offensive forward via Muzzin

To Chicago: Jake Muzzin

To Toronto: Dominik Kubalik extend to a 5 year 5M contract

Trade 3: Add some young assets/picks via Kerfoot

To Arizona: Alex Kerfoot

To Toronto: 2022 3rd + Fischer

Kubalik - Matthews- Marner
Galchenyuk - JT - Nylander
Bunting - 3C UFA (Brassard, Getzlaf, etc) - Robertson
Mikheyev - Spezza - Fischer/Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Pettersson - Holl/Dermott (whoever Seattle does not take)
Sandin - Lilijgren

Campbell
Dreidger
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Penguins are trading Pettersson and 2nd for Engvall?
 
Dubas did exactly what these fans complaining wanted. Improve the D core defensively and tougher? Check with Brodie and Bogosian. Get leadership and grit? Check with Thornton and Simmonds. Add a good gritty piece who can play all over the lineup? Check with Foligno.
What happened? The same problem of not scoring in the playoffs.
Now those same fans are still saying our team is the softest? Seems like those fans can't admit their plan failed in a horrific fashion, so they continue complaining about the same thing.
 
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stickty111 said:
Dubas did exactly what these fans complaining wanted. Improve the D core defensively and tougher? Check with Brodie and Bogosian. Get leadership and grit? Check with Thornton and Simmonds. Add a good gritty piece who can play all over the lineup? Check with Foligno.
What happened? The same problem of not scoring in the playoffs.
Now those same fans are still saying our team is the softest? Seems like those fans can't admit their plan failed in a horrific fashion, so they continue complaining about the same thing.
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Yep our depth was unbelievable in the playoffs. Goals from:
Rielly
Sandin
2 from Muzzin
Thornton
3 from Spezza?
Kerfoot
At least two filthy assists from Chucky

That is fantastic depth performance against a team hard to score on.
 
Jozay said:
Penguins are trading Pettersson and 2nd for Engvall?
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Pettersson had a pretty down year, a lot of their fans are quite down on him and want to move on. Here they pay the 2nd to DTR for retaining 3 years about 2M per year. The Pens are being linked to Suter who probably wants 2 or 3 years close to 4.5M, this deal clears the full 4ish million of pettersson. They get Engvall at 1.25M but he can be either buried (all expect 300,000 or so) or be given a chance to become a good 4th line player for them

We get Pettersson who is young and in the past had solid seasons (2019 and 2020) and we hope he can bounce back to that level/take another step. We get him at around 2 million for the next 3 seasons, having a potential 3D locked in for 3 years at just over 2M.

Red wings get a 2nd for retaining in a period where they won't be a playoff team (maybe in the 3rd year of the deal but they will be like the leafs were in 2017 where the team won't be looking to buy win now assets and won't have to worry about 2M in dead cap space due to young stars being on ELC)
 
stickty111 said:
Dubas did exactly what these fans complaining wanted. Improve the D core defensively and tougher? Check with Brodie and Bogosian. Get leadership and grit? Check with Thornton and Simmonds. Add a good gritty piece who can play all over the lineup? Check with Foligno.
What happened? The same problem of not scoring in the playoffs.
Now those same fans are still saying our team is the softest? Seems like those fans can't admit their plan failed in a horrific fashion, so they continue complaining about the same thing.
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I see the “it’s the fan’s fault” narrative is back, too funny. Thorton Simmonds and Folino didn’t do s**t for this team and calling them gritty at this point in their careers is nonsense. I’ll give you that Bogo and Brodie worked out, but half that improvement will most likely be playing elsewhere this season.
 
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jaric1862 said:
We should be spending money on the 3rd line and not the top 2 LWs. Virtually anyone can play on those top 2 lines and be successful.
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Disagree, I think Toronto needs to get legitimate top six forwards to play with 34/16/88/91, To make it that much harder to shut them down. If one team focuses there top shutdown pair and forward line against line 1, line two needs to be freed up and dominate the game, instead of constantly relying on the four big boys and two mediocre players. We keep trying to put mediocre players on the top two lines and it hasn't been able to get them to score goals in the playoffs, I think it's time to put another legitimate top six forward on the first or second line and help out the other 4 players. Adding a good top six forward makes it that much harder to shutdown the top line.

As for our 3rd line, they need to have an identity and a role, I can't tell what the Leafs want from there 3rd line, to shutdown? To be a two way line that can play D and score some goals? or do they want a 3rd line much like the top two lines and play with the puck and score goals. To me, if they can figure out a way to free the top two lines, the 3rd line just needs to be able to chip in a couple of times during the series and not be a liability on the ice, same with the 4th line.
 
bossram said:
It's kind of strange criticism saying the Leafs were "too soft", when they lost to Montreal because they couldn't score.

Half the board, and all of of the MSM, were praising Dubas for getting "tough, character guys" like Bogosian, Simmonds, and Foligno. Now you're all walking it back again. Just bizarre.
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They can't score in the playoffs because they are a perimeter team who dont play a playoff-style game. I think most people realize that icing a tough team isnt going to win you series these days. But you need a team who can play a more grinding, cycling and netfront game. The Leafs simply dont play this way and is why they have not won a series during this current era
 
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cookie said:
Haven't seen a ton of Tatar talk (then again, I'm using hfboards' search function). Great buy-low option to round out the lineup as a legit PP threat.
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Can’t make the Habs roster this past playoffs, should be top 6 for the Leafs.
 
rumman said:
I’ll give you Bogo, but Simmons, Folino, Thorton, didn’t make the team tougher, they made it older and slower with nary a increase in toughness. And btw what exactly am I “walking back?”
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The narrative before was Dubas had built too soft a team, but now he's finally "got it".

Yet somehow, once again, the major failing of the team is "toughness". It's just bizarre.

I don't mean to directly attribute this to you, but I don't understand how people are ascribing toughness as the critical flaw of the Leafs.
 
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