GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - Off-Season Early Edition

[Cappuccino]

I still don’t think it works, it takes a team of fully committed players to win the cup, not 4 stars surrounded by fringe wannabes and has beens. I hope this is the last year of the experiment because it won’t work.

let’s hope Dubas don’t convinces himself, after next year, his approach is fine, but he just needs better players to give half the cap to….

 

[rumman]

Many teams have tried that approach, not with only forwards but many teams have had 4 players take up half the cap. They have also won cups.

Wha5 teams?

 

[rumman]

let’s hope Dubas don’t convinces himself, after next year, his approach is fine, but he just needs better players to give half the cap to….

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

 

[The Podium]

I don't recall any team allocating half of their cap space to 4 players prior to the Leafs. Perhaps a few teams came relatively close, but not half.

Moreover, to employ that strategy with just forwards is even more detrimental to a team's success.

Off the top of my head the 09-10 pens paid Malkin, Crosby, Gonchar and MAF 27.4 which was 48% of the cap.

 

[rumman]

Off the top of my head the 09-10 pens paid Malkin, Crosby, Gonchar and MAF 27.4 which was 48% of the cap.

48% ain’t 50% my friend.

 

[Superstar]

TO think we could have drafted Carlo instead of Dermott.

Mark Hunter, what a draft guru...

Korshkov and Dermott aren't great picks with who was still on the board...and Korshkov is a bust.

 

[The Podium]

48% ain’t 50% my friend.

49.5% also isnt 50% if we are being so picky.

 

[rumman]

49.5% also isnt 50% if we are being so picky.

Details, success is in the little details.

 

[The Podium]

Details, success is in the little details.

Well the Leafs arent technically spending 50% on 4 players if its in the little details.

 

[Gabriel426]

Mark Hunter, what a draft guru...

Korshkov and Dermott aren't great picks with who was still on the board...and Korshkov is a bust.

Yep, the late round picks and stuff is always going to come down to more luck and development. But that Korshkov pic was such a wasted pick. Dermott too, not to mention Bracco.

 

[Avilaj07]

How to improve our defense,

Trade Dermott+ for Bertuzzi
Trade Holl for picks

Sign Adam Larsson 4yrs at 3.75 million
Sign Jamie Olesiak 2yrs at 2 million

Rielly-Larsson
Muzzin-Brodie
Olesiak-Lilijgren
Sandin

 

[4thline]

Thats too much for Galchenyuk. He shouldnt be much more than 900k or so.

Based on what? A bad 9 games with Ottawa.

A strong summer plus full training camp familiarity and he is an absolute steal at 1.5 putting up 50 points in our top 6

 

[Jozay]

Based on what? A bad 9 games with Ottawa.

A strong summer plus full training camp familiarity and he is an absolute steal at 1.5 putting up 50 points in our top 6

Based on what? Are you serious?

Based on the fact that the last time he was a serviceable player was in 18-19.

The guys not good. He's a decent bet on a deal little over league min, that can be completely burried.

 

[rumman]

Well the Leafs arent technically spending 50% on 4 players if its in the little details.

Yup, what’s your point?

 

[4thline]

Based on what? Are you serious?

Based on the fact that the last time he was a serviceable player was in 18-19.

The guys not good. He's a decent bet on a deal little over league min, that can be completely burried.

He's a better bet on a two year deal at not materially more than that.

He's in the top 5 most most offensively effective wings available in ufa, and if he delivers to that over two years hes in line for a 8 figure pay day.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Off the top of my head the 09-10 pens paid Malkin, Crosby, Gonchar and MAF 27.4 which was 48% of the cap.

Fair enough, although that is spread among 2 forwards, 1 defenceman and a goaltender.

I have little faith that our current formula will work at all, let alone as a sustainable model for success.

 

[Jozay]

He's a better bet on a two year deal at not materially more than that.

He's in the top 5 most most offensively effective wings available in ufa, and if he delivers to that over two years hes in line for a 8 figure pay day.

I highly doubt that.

 

[Cor]

How to improve our defense,

Trade Dermott+ for Bertuzzi
Trade Holl for picks

Sign Adam Larsson 4yrs at 3.75 million
Sign Jamie Olesiak 2yrs at 2 million

Rielly-Larsson
Muzzin-Brodie
Olesiak-Lilijgren
Sandin

Well if we can sign them for whatever we want might as well give them 750K

 

[Knies iT]

Details, success is in the little details.

 

[Menzinger]

Based on what? A bad 9 games with Ottawa.

A strong summer plus full training camp familiarity and he is an absolute steal at 1.5 putting up 50 points in our top 6

He was also a hair away from being out of the league before the Toronto trade. I'd be very interested in signing him but I think he'd have a hard case for asking for more than a 1 year 1 mil type deal

 

[myleafs]

When you play like the better team, there is such a thing as 'should' and 'deserve'. There is no such thing as "guarantee" though, and the Leafs are the textbook example of that. We were the better team the last 3 years. We still lost. It's tough, but it is not the same as getting our asses handed to us or looking like we did not belong in the series in the first place. That has never happened to us in the playoffs. Some think it stings more when you were the better team, and some think it is promising for things to come. Management clearly thinks it is the latter.

I saw a team that didn't look anything like a team that would go very far in the playoffs. Compared to other playoff teams there was a real lack of intensity and willingness to sacrifice.

 

[Coachcorner]

They is like talkin bout on the tsn formula like we might have even a healthy simmonds playing on the first line on our lineup next season. Now that hyman's out for surely milord. Ain't even no thang sire. Simmonds finna, talk, rob and kill there for surely. If healthy, he prevails

Our other fools LW's is dirt... mikheyev is ok on the dirty third, but we ain't have none else. Robertson will play on the dirty second. With Johnny n' Nylund. They love the game and still score-a-lot, WHAT!!!!!

 

[myleafs]

Dubas did exactly what these fans complaining wanted. Improve the D core defensively and tougher? Check with Brodie and Bogosian. Get leadership and grit? Check with Thornton and Simmonds. Add a good gritty piece who can play all over the lineup? Check with Foligno.
What happened? The same problem of not scoring in the playoffs.
Now those same fans are still saying our team is the softest? Seems like those fans can't admit their plan failed in a horrific fashion, so they continue complaining about the same thing.

imo these 2 did not check those boxes...one over the hill really old player and one broken and battered older player. Not what I envision as leadership and grit.

 

[myleafs]

Lol, wtf does this actually mean?

"Is the problem they're too soft?"

"No, they're not hard enough"

How anyone can watch the playoffs this year and not see what our team was lacking..... I did not see one other team pull back from a hit or not stand up for themselves or each other. The lack of intensity was loud and clear and the refusal or inability to sacrifice and go to to war for one another was soft compared to every other team in the playoffs. This team does not stick up for themselves or each other and in the playoffs that don't fly.

 

[myleafs]

I probably watched a lot more games than you, honestly.

The final four teams were where they were because they're deep and talented. Tampa probably has the conventionally "softest" and smallest forward corps in the league. Vegas had big forwards but they're not bruisers by reputation. Same with NYI. When you've got fringe first line talents on the 3rd line (like Tampa did with Gourde and Coleman), yeah, you're a good team.

You haven't really offered any criticism of substance.

Tampa soft? now Ive heard everything. They are super talented but they hit as much as any other team and take it to other teams...initiate contact and drive the play...soft? yea ok.