GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - Off-Season Early Edition

[bossram]

According to Mirtle, it looks like Hyman is gone regardless. And Boogsian leaving means they'll need to find another bargain-basement PKing defenseman.

Maybe Luke Schenn? His underlying numbers were actually decent in Tampa and he acquitted himself nicely when called upon. Surely he'd be cheap. Maybe he's open to Toronto round 2?

 

[dubplatepressure]

According to Mirtle, it looks like Hyman is gone regardless. And Boogsian leaving means they'll need to find another bargain-basement PKing defenseman.

Maybe Luke Schenn? His underlying numbers were actually decent in Tampa and he acquitted himself nicely when called upon. Surely he'd be cheap. Maybe he's open to Toronto round 2?

Ehhhh. I watched a bit of him this year, he's just extremely immobile. Bogosian is so much better of a bottom pairing guy than Schenn would be. I'd rather roll a Sandin-Lilly or even Hutton over Schenn.

 

[Jozay]

Man, Hyman must be expecting 5-6 million a year for 6 years because im surprised the Leafs and Hyman are so far apart.

I dont think its far fetched to think that Dubas probably has something like 6/25 on the table right now, which I think would be a very competitive offer, unless Hyman is expecting mid 5's a year for 6 years.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Galchenyuk-Kerfoot-88
Soup-Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds
Foligno-Matthews-Marner

(no order)

Just thought maybe getting Hyman to RW on a lesser line could have yielded better results, if you broke up that Kerfoot line for 88/Marner swap...okay.

Foligno if he wasn't healthy...might have made sense to just throw someone like Brooks there for all Hyman was contributing if Foligno was truly unhealthy.

I don't think that would have made the difference. Hyman looked out of it for the most part, and now we are counting on him driving a lower line offensively? It worked in the regular season a bit, but so did a lot of other things that were not working in the playoffs.

The third line you have there was a liability outside of Spezza. The top line still has Matthews and a pair of struggling anchors. Swapping Foligno for Hyman changes nothing. The top line and our defense is the only reason we generated goals for the most part, so that is fine, and the 2nd line would be great at shutting down offensive threats that Montreal did not even really have but would struggle to score.

 

[Jozay]

What needed to happen was to split Matthews and Marner. Freeing Marner from Danault and the top pair probably wouldve helped.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don't think that would have made the difference. Hyman looked out of it for the most part, and now we are counting on him driving a lower line offensively? It worked in the regular season a bit, but so did a lot of other things that were not working in the playoffs.

The third line you have there was a liability outside of Spezza. The top line still has Matthews and a pair of struggling anchors. Swapping Foligno for Hyman changes nothing. The top line and our defense is the only reason we generated goals for the most part, so that is fine, and the 2nd line would be great at shutting down offensive threats that Montreal did not even really have but would struggle to score.

Swapping 88/Marner made the most sense, 88 at least provides dual shot/threat pass whereas Marner wasn't scoring anything.

 

[rumman]

What is Keefe going to do? Tavares injured. Foligno sucked. Hyman sucked. Marner sucked. Thornton sucked. Simmonds sucked. Mikheyev, Nash, and Engvall were not providing offense. He did not separate the top line, but is not like anyone outside of Spezza and the 2nd line of Galchenyuk-Kerfoot-Nylander should have received a bump in ice time. So when it comes down to trusting a bunch of struggling depth guys whod could not even handle a bottom 6 role or a struggling Marner/Hyman, pick your poison. He picked the lesser of two evils. At least they were generating chances.

However at the same time, it is not like Hyman has been a bright spot. If anything, he has been an issue.

You missed the fact that AM also sucked, or does he get a hallpass?

 

[bossram]

Cap compliant lineup that improves the team^

I think Hall will just be looking for security at this point. Tatar's value has been (inexplicably) torched. Kase has a huge injury history but was a very efficient scorer previously. It's a risk, but a potentially strong reward. He might take a cheap one-year deal just to get NHL time (he's likely not being qualified by Boston). Schenn replaces Bogo. I've let Seattle take Holl.

The biggest thing is replacing Morgan Rielly with Mike Reilly. The latter's defensive numbers are stronger and he's still an effective PMD. He doesn't have the track record of a conventional top-four guy, so I think his cap hit will come a little lower than Brodie's. I've moved Rielly to LA for Kaliyev, Spence, 2nd, and a 3rd. LA is one of the few teams that appear to want to take the next step and actually have the cap space to take on Rielly without sending salary back. If they miss out on Jones, I could see them being interested. They have ample prospect + pick capital to make a deal, and this helps replenish the Leafs' prospect pool and gets them back in this year's draft after moving all their picks at the TDL.

Brooks and Liljegren are the first call-ups. Would likely be yo-yo'd back and forth with the Marlies to accrue daily cap space.

 

[OVO16]

Bogosian is a big loss. Honestly, I'm not surprised he didn't wanna come back.

He went from Tampa Bay to Toronto. He saw firsthand just how far out the leafs were in terms of winning a cup. No one plays with any togetherness or team toughness. I bet he also didn't like the fact that he was neutered when it comes physicality.

 

[WTFMAN99]

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Cap compliant lineup that improves the team^

I think Hall will just be looking for security at this point. Tatar's value has been (inexplicably) torched. Kase has a huge injury history but was a very efficient scorer previously. It's a risk, but a potentially strong reward. He might take a cheap one-year deal just to get NHL time (he's likely not being qualified by Boston). Schenn replaces Bogo. I've let Seattle take Holl.

The biggest thing is replacing Morgan Rielly with Mike Reilly. The latter's defensive numbers are stronger and he's still an effective PMD. He doesn't have the track record of a conventional top-four guy, so I think his cap hit will come a little lower than Brodie's. I've moved Rielly to LA for Kaliyev, Spence, 2nd, and a 3rd. LA is one of the few teams that appear to want to take the next step and actually have the cap space to take on Rielly without sending salary back. If they miss out on Jones, I could see them being interested. They have ample prospect + pick capital to make a deal, and this helps replenish the Leafs' prospect pool and gets them back in this year's draft after moving all their picks at the TDL.

Brooks and Liljegren are the first call-ups. Would likely be yo-yo'd back and forth with the Marlies to accrue daily cap space.

I nearly spit out my water when I saw you gave Mike Rielly a 4.4M aav contract.

 

[OVO16]

Jani Hankanpaa is one guy to target for a Bogosian replacement. Had a great year with Anaheim. Was then traded to Carolina at the deadline for their playoff run.

Oleksiak and Hankanpaa 3rd pairing would be great

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Wow quite the number of moving parts

We are talking about at most 2 new defensemen in the lineup, and at least one of them will be Liljegren who has already been in the organization for a long time. Sandin should not be here next year, but he will be in the 7/8 slot.

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl/Dermott
UFA - Liljegren
RD UFA

Sandin as the primary LD callup from the AHL. RD UFA can be a guy like Tucker Poolman or Hakanpaa. 3rd pairing UFA can be Nemeth, Suter, Hjalmarsson, Cole, Goligoski, etc.

OR

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Dermott - RD UFA
RD UFA

Sandin as primary LD callup. Poolman or Hakanpaa once again for the 7th position; Hjalmarsson (can play RD), Cole (can play RD), Ceci, Goligoski (can play RD), Hamonic, Savard, Bogosian, etc. for the 3RD spot.

I would not be against moving one of Holl/Dermott regardless of what happens with expansion. It would probably be easier to acclimate Liljegren into the lineup if we do, and I think our defense will still be very strong even with those changes.

 

[rumman]

According to Mirtle, it looks like Hyman is gone regardless. And Boogsian leaving means they'll need to find another bargain-basement PKing defenseman.

Maybe Luke Schenn? His underlying numbers were actually decent in Tampa and he acquitted himself nicely when called upon. Surely he'd be cheap. Maybe he's open to Toronto round 2?

Why would Schenn want to come here after back to back cup championships? It’s not like boy wonder can offer him more than more appealing teams.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Jani Hankanpaa is one guy to target for a Bogosian replacement. Had a great year with Anaheim. Was then traded to Carolina at the deadline for their playoff run.

Oleksiak and Hankanpaa 3rd pairing would be great

I would have him as a #7, but not a full time top 6 guy.

 

[OVO16]

I would have him as a #7, but not a full time top 6 guy.

He played top 6 minutes all year last year. Played top 6 for Carolina. Whats the issue?

 

[bossram]

Ehhhh. I watched a bit of him this year, he's just extremely immobile. Bogosian is so much better of a bottom pairing guy than Schenn would be. I'd rather roll a Sandin-Lilly or even Hutton over Schenn.

I'd rather run Liljegren full-time too.

But I assume the front office will want to replace some of the "grit" and have a guy they can rely on for regular PK minutes. Their budget is going to be limited to bargain-basement guys, so the options aren't going to be amazing.

 

[OVO16]

We are talking about at most 2 new defensemen in the lineup, and at least one of them will be Liljegren who has already been in the organization for a long time. Sandin should not be here next year, but he will be in the 7/8 slot.

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl/Dermott
UFA - Liljegren
RD UFA

Sandin as the primary LD callup from the AHL. RD UFA can be a guy like Tucker Poolman or Hakanpaa. 3rd pairing UFA can be Nemeth, Suter, Hjalmarsson, Cole, Goligoski, etc.

OR

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Dermott - RD UFA
RD UFA

Sandin as primary LD callup. Poolman or Hakanpaa once again for the 7th position; Hjalmarsson (can play RD), Cole (can play RD), Ceci, Goligoski (can play RD), Hamonic, Savard, Bogosian, etc. for the 3RD spot.

I would not be against moving one of Holl/Dermott regardless of what happens with expansion. It would probably be easier to acclimate Liljegren into the lineup if we do, and I think our defense will still be very strong even with those changes.

That Defense core is too soft once again. Not gonna change anything

 

[hockeynorth]

That Defensew core is too soft once again. Not gonna change anything

Our dcorps really wasn't that soft this year at all

I swear ppl just make assumptions

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Swapping 88/Marner made the most sense, 88 at least provides dual shot/threat pass whereas Marner wasn't scoring anything.

Then you just neutered the one line that was working.

The issue is not with Keefe not making changes. It is the fact that half of our offensive lineup, including one of our core players, was struggling. On top of Tavares' injury, that is a hard hill for any coach to climb.

 

[Cor]

According to Mirtle, it looks like Hyman is gone regardless. And Boogsian leaving means they'll need to find another bargain-basement PKing defenseman.

Maybe Luke Schenn? His underlying numbers were actually decent in Tampa and he acquitted himself nicely when called upon. Surely he'd be cheap. Maybe he's open to Toronto round 2?

Let me introduce you to Jani Haakanpaa

 

[OVO16]

Is Josh Manson a viable target? If Anaheim decides to retain Salary?

Manson's value has dipped considerably due to injuries. Remind me a lot of Zach Bogosian. Instead of trying to get him to partner with Reilly...he'd look great as a 3rd pairing guy

 

[WTFMAN99]

Then you just neutered the one line that was working.

The issue is not with Keefe not making changes. It is the fact that half of our offensive lineup, including one of our core players, was struggling. On top of Tavares' injury, that is a hard hill for any coach to climb.

So the only option was for Keefe to not make any changes games 5-7 when we were flat AF until the 3rd period or final 10 minutes of the 3rd? You could give things a spin for a period or 2 because at that point Matthews/Marner had been trash.

 

[OVO16]

Our dcorps really wasn't that soft this year at all

I swear ppl just make assumptions

Yes it absolutely was. Justin Holl, Muzzin, Dermott, Rielly.

Brodie and Bogosian were the only ones from time to time willing to play the body and clear people out in front of the net. And now Bogosian is gone

 

[bossram]

I nearly spit out my water when I saw you gave Mike Rielly a 4.4M aav contract.

Huh? If anything, I thought it could be low.

Mike Reilly is a legitimate top-four defenseman. His underlying numbers the past two seasons have been very good. And he fit in extremely well when moved to Boston at the TDL this year.

I watched every single one of Boston's playoff games (unfortunately I bet too much on them...lol). With McAvoy injured, he was quite visibly their best defenseman. Similar player to Grezlyck, and their underlying profiles this year were very similar.

 

[bossram]

Let me introduce you to Jani Haakanpaa

He's a fine option too. I'm really just looking for the cheapest, half-decent player available for the 3RD spot.