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Avilaj07 said:
Not every 1st pairing defenseman in the league is a true number 1 defenseman. In reality, there's only about 10 true number 1 defensemens in the league. I consider players like Hedman, Pietrangelo as number 1 defensemen, would you consider Torrey Krug a number 1 defenseman because that's what Morgan Rielly is. He's an offensive defenseman who like I stated before has been declining the last 2 years offensively and well, we all know his defensive game is horrible for a 1st pairing defenseman.
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There is exactly one #1 defenseman per team. Some are better than others.

Rielly isn’t in the top half of #1s, but head easily a legit top guy.
 
OVO16 said:
Laughing at the people on the mainboard that think Hyman is gritty.

Hyman hasn't been gritty for the last 2 years. His physicality has dropped significantly since the Washington Series. He doesn't get involved in scrums and shy's away from finishing checks.

He's a guy who skates hard and retrieves pucks. He doesn't have the grit factor anymore.
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He was overhyped last year and way overhyped this year as a first line winger which he isn't. You don't have to have grit when you're a top line guy. It's all about skill.
 
Dreakmur said:
There is exactly one #1 defenseman per team. Some are better than others.

Rielly isn’t in the top half of #1s, but head easily a legit top guy.
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He's a top pairing defenseman, but he's not an elite number 1 defenseman, he's a good number 2. Elite number 1 defenseman affect the game every time they're on the ice, either offensively or defensively and majority of the time, it's in a positive manner. This past season we saw Rielly completely ignore the defensive part of the game and continuesly jump into plays leaving Brodie to fend off 2 on 1's in what seemed to be every game. Offensively, Rielly just doesn't have the hockey iq to be on an elite level. He has the tools but lacks the iq and you see it on a game to game basis. He's not a player I believe the Leafs should be investing anything more then his current contract in, especially since he's not getting any younger.

Every year we've always complained about getting Rielly a legit partner and we've always made excuses for him, what if maybe Rielly is the actual problem
 
Avilaj07 said:
He's a top pairing defenseman, but he's not an elite number 1 defenseman, he's a good number 2. Elite number 1 defenseman affect the game every time they're on the ice, either offensively or defensively and majority of the time, it's in a positive manner. This past season we saw Rielly completely ignore the defensive part of the game and continuesly jump into plays leaving Brodie to fend off 2 on 1's in what seemed to be every game. Offensively, Rielly just doesn't have the hockey iq to be on an elite level. He has the tools but lacks the iq and you see it on a game to game basis. He's not a player I believe the Leafs should be investing anything more then his current contract in, especially since he's not getting any younger.

Every year we've always complained about getting Rielly a legit partner and we've always made excuses for him, what if maybe Rielly is the actual problem
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He's not a elite #1, but he is one of the top 32 defensemen, which makes him a #1.
 
justashadowof said:
It may seem crazy at first blush but perhaps consider moving Muzzin soon to free up the cash to re-sign Rielly. I don't hate Muzzin and I think he's providing an element that would otherwise be missing but the dude has become glass in the playoffs. I'd put money on Rielly being a way more significant NHLer in a couple of seasons compared to Muzzin. Muzzin's on the fast train to irrelevancy.

edit: I see that Muzzin is a NTC guy. Sometimes deals can still be worked out. For example, he may be cool with returning to LA.
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I don't think the NTC kicks in till free agency day though. He could even possibly be exposed in the ED. But not likely. I'd like to see him replaced by Ekholm.
 
Dreakmur said:
He's not a elite #1, but he is one of the top 32 defensemen, which makes him a #1.
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Ask yourself this, if Toronto had Hedman or Pietrangelo, would Rielly still be a #1, if the answer is no, then he's not a number one defenseman. Yes, he's number 1 on Toronto but that's by default, not by his skill set.
 
Dreakmur said:
He's not a elite #1, but he is one of the top 32 defensemen, which makes him a #1.
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He's not elite but he's good. Very good. People don't really appreciate him as much as we should.

I have no stats behind this but with Brodie... those 2 as a top pair I'm completley comfortable with.

Our D was very solid last year.

Our f***ing forward group needs to find the thing called heart and effort. That's where it needs a shakeup ... however that happens.

You can't really teach that though... but even before making 10 plus million a year I'm not sure how the f*** that isn't already there.

Goalies... get a 1b for Campbell and let's go.
 
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Avilaj07 said:
Ask yourself this, if Toronto had Hedman or Pietrangelo, would Rielly still be a #1, if the answer is no, then he's not a number one defenseman. Yes, he's number 1 on Toronto but that's by default, not by his skill set.
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Yes, he would be a #1, and Toronto would just have multiple #1s, since they have multiple top-32 defensemen.
 
Avilaj07 said:
He's a top pairing defenseman, but he's not an elite number 1 defenseman, he's a good number 2. Elite number 1 defenseman affect the game every time they're on the ice, either offensively or defensively and majority of the time, it's in a positive manner. This past season we saw Rielly completely ignore the defensive part of the game and continuesly jump into plays leaving Brodie to fend off 2 on 1's in what seemed to be every game. Offensively, Rielly just doesn't have the hockey iq to be on an elite level. He has the tools but lacks the iq and you see it on a game to game basis. He's not a player I believe the Leafs should be investing anything more then his current contract in, especially since he's not getting any younger.

Every year we've always complained about getting Rielly a legit partner and we've always made excuses for him, what if maybe Rielly is the actual problem
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Avilaj07 said:
I consider players like Hedman, Pietrangelo as number 1 defensemen, would you consider Torrey Krug a number 1 defenseman because that's what Morgan Rielly is. He's an offensive defenseman who like I stated before has been declining the last 2 years offensively and well, we all know his defensive game is horrible for a 1st pairing defenseman.
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I think the difference is Krug is most useful on the PP while Rielly consistently drives 5v5 offense. He's only been declining offensively because he's not putting up PP points anymore. Rielly is still one of the best offensive defensemen in the league 5v5. But I agree that he's bad defensively, which is why I'm only comfortable with an extension around $5.5 or so.
 
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justashadowof said:
The GM didn't even manage to squeeze the middle of the lineup guys very well. Kerfoot got paid as did Johnsson and Kapanen plus Muzzin. Only recently has sanity prevailed with regards to Mikheyev and Dermott.
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Only because he was capped out. Only way he does not overpay is if he can't.

Now he has a bit of space and ovepays Dermy and Simmonds.

#Sad and yet he still has his job.
 
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Going to ruffle some feathers here, but I would go big on a deal.

Something like....

Marner + Rielly

For

Seth Jones + Oliver Bjorkstrand + Boone Jenner.

*dependent on if Jones would consider re-signing or not.
 
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ToneDog said:
Only because he was capped out. Only way he does not overpay is if he can't.

Now he has a bit of space and ovepays Dermy and Simmonds.

#Sad and yet he still has his job.
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What? Dermott is making 1.5M over 2 years and Simmonds 900K over 2 can be buried

I don't always agree with management but if your going to whine like that over those contracts your just looking for things to cry about
 
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Kiwi said:
What? Dermott is making 1.5M over 2 years and Simmonds 900K over 2 can be buried

I don't always agree with management but if your going to whine like that over those contracts your just looking for things to cry about
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Not saying that are gross overpaymentsp and not whining because they are nothing compared to the overpayments to the big 4 (I seriously thing we should stop to referring to them as that til they earn that title) but they are. Dermott does not deserve to double his salary and Simmonds barely deserves to be resigned even though you can bury him in the minors.

Dermott was smart though. Last year he was last or 2nd last to be signed and got squeezed. This year he went 3rd and got more than he deserved based on his play and I like the kid.
 
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ToneDog said:
Not saying that are gross overpayment but they are. Dermott dies not deserve to double his salary and Simmonds barely deserves to be resigned even though you can bury him in the minors.
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Simmonds is better than Maroon.

Dermott was underpaid last season.

Whine about something else.
 
Dreakmur said:
There is exactly one #1 defenseman per team. Some are better than others.

Rielly isn’t in the top half of #1s, but head easily a legit top guy.
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He is a legit #1. Without question.

But that may not be good enough. He increasingly needs to be sheltered, which is becoming a problem. Might be time to cut bait before they sign him to a contract they regret.
 
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kb said:
He is a legit #1. Without question.

But that may not be good enough. He increasingly needs to be sheltered, which is becoming a problem. Might be time to cut bait before they sign him to a contract they regret.
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He’s never been as good as when he was paired with Hainsey.
 
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rumman said:
He’s never been as good as when he was paired with Hainsey.
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Yeah, I think it's because he was concentrating on learning how to play D the couple of seasons prior to Hainsey. Now he looks like he's going through the motions on D, and if he's beat he just skates to centre ice. He's like Gardiner in the fact that he's nearly impossible to play with.
 
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Dreakmur said:
He was key to the PPs early success as well.... but is he ever going to be healthy?
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Mostly fluke injuries rather than a chronic issue, but definitely a fair assessment. His style of play lends itself to contact and risk of injury more than most. A 12-15 goal Simmonds with a strong forecheck would be a perfect 3rd/4th liner when healthy.
 
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