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OVO16 said:
David Pagnotta from the FourthPeriod said the Red Wings have def made Bertuzzi available.

Flyers, Kings, Bruins, and Leafs all interested
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Which makes total sense. I found it really surprising how many Wings fans were acting like he's untouchable.

His age and contract status does not line up at all with Yzermans rebuild timeline which is still in the drafting and development stages
 
jaric1862 said:
Would you sign Morgan Rielly to a low number if it meant longer term and a no-move clause?

Let’s say he was willing to sign for Muzzin’s number (5.625 million) for 8 years and a no-move clause, would you do it?
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Yes from me. I'd do 6.2 * 8 without the NMC (current salary plus Kessel retention), and happily give him a NMC for 500k less.
 
jaric1862 said:
Would you sign Morgan Rielly to a low number if it meant longer term and a no-move clause?

Let’s say he was willing to sign for Muzzin’s number (5.625 million) for 8 years and a no-move clause, would you do it?
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Fine with long term to lower value, would be hoping for 5M though
 
jaric1862 said:
Would you sign Morgan Rielly to a low number if it meant longer term and a no-move clause?

Let’s say he was willing to sign for Muzzin’s number (5.625 million) for 8 years and a no-move clause, would you do it?
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Probably, just because I think his game will age relatively gracefully. He should be pretty effective until his mid-30's like a Duncan Keith. A number that starts with 5 would be fine.

Keeping the AAV low is crucial. I really don't want to pay too much for a guy who shouldn't be on PP1 or any PK. The way he drives offense 5v5 is still a good asset to keep though.
 
New Liskeard said:
Regardless of what some here say, Reilly is a number 1 D. They dont grow on trees and are difficult and expensive to acquire. The draft is a terrible one and Bertuzzi (who I like) can easily walk away after a year. Don't forget, Reilly was in some serious consideration for the C, the management love him and think very highly of him. I would not be surprised to see Morgan sign a long term Krug contract with the Leafs. The Leaf fans that dont like Reilly and want to sign Hamilton, have no clue what they are getting. FWIW, I can see Hyman leaving and Detroit wanting to have him.
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I'm sorry but Morgan Rielly is nowhere near a #1 defenseman. He's a good number 2. Everyone is willing to sign Rielly for 6.5 when he's been declining the last 2 years offensively, probably had his worst defensive season and can't qb a powerplay. Then people wonder why we're in cap hell.
 
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TheDoldrums said:
Tatar is a winger I would be interested in depending on the price. Think he could be a better Galchenyuk in the top 6.
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Can’t cut the roster in any form for Montreal this playoffs, but is a good fit for the Leafs top 6? I thought the Leafs were better offensively than the Habs, but I guess they’re just offensive. :sarcasm:
 
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rumman said:
Can’t cut the roster in any form for Montreal this playoffs, but is a good fit for the Leafs top 6? I thought the Leafs were better offensively than the Habs, but I guess they’re just offensive. :sarcasm:
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yes and his omission was puzzling to a lot of people, he's a good player. Caufield and Kotkaniemi were also being scratched at points and probably should not have been. Maybe don't look to the Montreal coaching staff as the ultimate authority on player quality. Plenty of people have been scratched or discarded from teams only to make positive impacts elsewhere.
 
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TheDoldrums said:
yes and his omission was puzzling to a lot of people, he's a good player. Caufield and Kotkaniemi were also being scratched at points and probably should not have been. Maybe don't look to the Montreal coaching staff as the ultimate authority on player quality. Plenty of people have been scratched or discarded from teams only to make positive impacts elsewhere.
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I’ll cut the Hab’s coaching staff some slack in the “ultimate authority” department, after all they made it to the cup finals or was that “luck?”
 
Avilaj07 said:
I'm sorry but Morgan Rielly is nowhere near a #1 defenseman. He's a good number 2. Everyone is willing to sign Rielly for 6.5 when he's been declining the last 2 years offensively, probably had his worst defensive season and can't qb a powerplay. Then people wonder why we're in cap hell.
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Who are the 32 defensemen better than Rielly?
 
Avilaj07 said:
I'm sorry but Morgan Rielly is nowhere near a #1 defenseman. He's a good number 2. Everyone is willing to sign Rielly for 6.5 when he's been declining the last 2 years offensively, probably had his worst defensive season and can't qb a powerplay. Then people wonder why we're in cap hell.
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Krug got 6.5m as a UFA from STL. Do you think he is worth more than Rielly ?? I don't.
 
rumman said:
I’ll cut the Hab’s coaching staff some slack in the “ultimate authority” department, after all they made it to the cup finals or was that “luck?”
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No they are infallible and only made the cup finals due to their shrewd lineup management. Tatar will be playing in Russia next year obviously, not a NHL player anymore because the Habs coaching staff didn't play him. No need to reply further!
 
rumman said:
Can’t cut the roster in any form for Montreal this playoffs, but is a good fit for the Leafs top 6? I thought the Leafs were better offensively than the Habs, but I guess they’re just offensive. :sarcasm:
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Montreal's coaches also didn't make the best decisions.

Scratching Caufield and Kotkaniemi at differ points in the playoffs wasn't exactly a move I'd endorse, yet they still did it
 
Jozay said:
Thats probably max id go.

But if hes not on your pp1, whats even the point?

Leafs should probably move on.
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Agreed. Said it before 16 and 44 should not be on the same PP unit. Best case you upgrade Rielly for a dman that has a shot that is feared.
 
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Menzinger said:
Montreal's coaches also didn't make the best decisions.

Scratching Caufield and Kotkaniemi at differ points in the playoffs wasn't exactly a move I'd endorse, yet they still did it
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We can criticize Habs' roster moves all we want but they worked until they ran into a juggernaut. As for Tatar, I am no expert but I think he is a pretty good sniper and as such I'd take a shot at him if the money is right.
 
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It may seem crazy at first blush but perhaps consider moving Muzzin soon to free up the cash to re-sign Rielly. I don't hate Muzzin and I think he's providing an element that would otherwise be missing but the dude has become glass in the playoffs. I'd put money on Rielly being a way more significant NHLer in a couple of seasons compared to Muzzin. Muzzin's on the fast train to irrelevancy.

edit: I see that Muzzin is a NTC guy. Sometimes deals can still be worked out. For example, he may be cool with returning to LA.
 
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Menzinger said:
Montreal's coaches also didn't make the best decisions.

Scratching Caufield and Kotkaniemi at differ points in the playoffs wasn't exactly a move I'd endorse, yet they still did it
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Still begs the question with all the line up changes why couldn’t Tatar make it back into the lineup?
 
Dreakmur said:
Who are the 32 defensemen better than Rielly?
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Not every 1st pairing defenseman in the league is a true number 1 defenseman. In reality, there's only about 10 true number 1 defensemens in the league. I consider players like Hedman, Pietrangelo as number 1 defensemen, would you consider Torrey Krug a number 1 defenseman because that's what Morgan Rielly is. He's an offensive defenseman who like I stated before has been declining the last 2 years offensively and well, we all know his defensive game is horrible for a 1st pairing defenseman.
 
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ToneDog said:
Want to squeeze the guys making market value and overpay your so-called stars. And that is why we are in cap hell.
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The GM didn't even manage to squeeze the middle of the lineup guys very well. Kerfoot got paid as did Johnsson and Kapanen plus Muzzin. Only recently has sanity prevailed with regards to Mikheyev and Dermott.
 
justashadowof said:
It may seem crazy at first blush but perhaps consider moving Muzzin soon to free up the cash to re-sign Rielly. I don't hate Muzzin and I think he's providing an element that would otherwise be missing but the dude has become glass in the playoffs. I'd put money on Rielly being a way more significant NHLer in a couple of seasons compared to Muzzin. Muzzin's on the fast train to irrelevancy.
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Salaries aside, I’d have Rielly over Muzzin for the reasons above, but I’d be good moving on from either if the right deals presented themselves.
 
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