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Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Deadline-ageddon

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DougGilmour93 said:
I’d be happy with Gourde + Tanev + Oleksiak

No idea what to send them…

Robertson + Domi + 2nd +++ ?
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Come on brother you strongly believe that this is an upgrade?

Gourde vs Domi
Tanev vs Robertson

We dont upgrade at all, its a pointless move, not trying to be rude

I do like Oleksiak, I'd give a 2nd + Timmins for him but obviously other players would have to be moved for Tanev's cap and the remaining 1.5M from this trade
 
BurnTheBoats said:
Come on brother you strongly believe that this is an upgrade?

Gourde vs Domi
Tanev vs Robertson

We dont upgrade at all, its a pointless move, not trying to be rude

I do like Oleksiak, I'd give a 2nd + Timmins for him but obviously other players would have to be moved for Tanev's cap and the remaining 1.5M from this trade
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Can’t see Robertson on our playoff roster. Rather have Tanev’s tenacity hitting and shot blocking.

Domi is a clear waste of cap space. He’s had a horrific season. He just scored his 4th goal of the season….4th. So yes I’d rather have Gourde. Take a chance on him and his 2 cups he has under his belt.

But that’s just me…
 
BurnTheBoats said:
Can you explain to me what you like about Laughton? What is he going to bring to our roster that upgrades him from guys like Domi, Kampf, Robertson, Pacioretty?

Please dont say hits because he only averages 2-per game and every player mentioned can match those numbers in the playoffs.

Can we give up on Laughton, Hathaway retained sure....but please i dont want too see another Clarkson, & Laughton will be worse.

Not to mention the asking price, makes me sick....we could get someone with a lower cap hit or the same, younger and more skill by adding another pick or prospect
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Shutdown C with grit and one of Tortorella's favourite players on his team. He's also a Toronto boy who is dying to play here (I know his father personally).

The only thing I'm not sold on is if he's playing full time C on the Flyers or if he's more of a winger right now. If he's a better C than Domi I want him.
 
Magic Man said:
Outside of the big name, expensive deadline additions. I think at least one of these inexpensive forward additions are primed to become a Leaf. Two if they can't do anything fancy.

Gourde, Kunin, Tanev, Krebs and Donato
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Gourde and Tanev, both at 50% retention, would be pretty good boosts to the lineup. Problem becomes... what's the price? They'd have a total cap hit just under 4.5M. You'd also have to pawn off Kampf, or a combination of other players, to them or another team if you're lucky as well.

The Panthers and Lightning have 6M+ to spend at the deadline, so they're about to chase similar players the Leafs probably want.

Another name I think could make sense in terms of being inexpensive is Mark Jankowski. Low offense but good metrics on a bad team. Could be a good buy low option to replace Kampf.
 
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Smif said:
Shutdown C with grit and one of Tortorella's favourite players on his team. He's also a Toronto boy who is dying to play here (I know his father personally).

The only thing I'm not sold on is if he's playing full time C on the Flyers or if he's more of a winger right now. If he's a better C than Domi I want him.
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Valid points, Tortz is a hard ass and demands his players play a full two way game....if the guy is truly passionate about playing for the blue and white and will do whatever it takes to win, sure id be willing to upgrade him with Domi regardless of his offensive numbers not being anywhere close to Max, we do need gritt in the bottom 6 just not for a first round pick unless its someone like Tolvanen, he hits more and blocks more shots, younger and will surpass both guys in points....probably the closest player out there to someone like B.Tkachuk.

But yeah I'd be willing to part with:

Domi
4th round

For

Laughton(50% retained)

Gives Philadelphia the availability to retain Domi and move him for a more valuable package than they would get for Laughton...or keep him, boost his numbers next season and get more value, regardless we shouldn't have to give up a top prospects and pick that's insanity.

Don't give up on Robertson though its not the same case as the Nylander brothers....he wasn't developed properly here and still hasn't got a true chance at the top6 and top PP minutes, im positive he will turn out to be one hell of a player, I've watched him close this year....sure his numbers aren't amazing but he finishes his checks, and makes good passes, has a good forecheck and seems to read the play really well, he's always in the right spot but his linemates can never get him the puck....he would strive playing with Marner, id love too see Marner on a line with just Robertson or Steeves.....if Matthew's is as good as everyone says he is, and he can score without Marner id love to see a season with them split oooo buddy haha....Marner would be the clear winner without a doubt, he can turn anyone into a 20+ goal scorer and creates all the offense around him. Matthews really depends on his linemates, dont get me wrong he's capable of moving the puck, as he does it often but id say 60-70% of his offensive comes from Marner/Knies
 
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SprDaVE said:
Gourde and Tanev, both at 50% retention, would be pretty good boosts to the lineup. Problem becomes... what's the price? They'd have a total cap hit just under 4.5M. You'd also have to pawn off Kampf, or a combination of other players, to them or another team if you're lucky as well.

The Panthers and Lightning have 6M+ to spend at the deadline, so they're about to chase similar players the Leafs probably want.

Another name I think could make sense in terms of being inexpensive is Mark Jankowski. Low offense but good metrics on a bad team. Could be a good buy low option to replace Kampf.
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Doesn't Gourde average less ppg vs Domi and if im not mistaken he has less hits & averages 1min more in icetime.

He's definitely not an upgrade, I'd argue Max has more heart and passion to win in the blue and white and will do whatever it takes come playoffs....if we're making minimal moves this tdl, they need to be substantial upgrades brother.

Especially for the cost, even if he's retained at 50% thats 2.5M.....man we would barely have any cap left to make upgrades at defense and winger, all the money would be spent sending a player out for someone with similar skill....makes sense in the off-season, but not right now brother
 
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BurnTheBoats said:
Meh, guy has similar stats to Domi and costs an additional 1.250M....they can have him, bonus points if they overpay🤣

He's another Laughton, so many good players available...hard pass from me

Man if team's are asking such high prices for players of this caliber why hasn't management moved Domi?? And if his cap is an issue get another team to retain on the deal for picks.

These guys will all have the same effect on anyone's bottom6, id argue Domi and Gourde are more valuable in the sense that they can create more offense and dont get scored on as much, Laughton only averages 2-hits per game and thats his strong point....something both guys can match come playoffs, but can a guy like Laughton produce the same offense...thats a hard no

If all three players are retained 50% Domi's in the middle at 1.875M but he has the longest term and at that caphit he's a steal....so shouldn't his value be similar to these guys?
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notable foward before being traded by stanley cup winner since 2016
reg before trade ---playoff impact
tarasenko 59 pts ----> 31 pts
Barbashev 40 pts pace ---> 67 pts
Lehkonen 41 pts ---> 57 pts
coleman carreer high 44 pts ---> 43 pts
goodrow 32 pts ----> 20 pts
hagelin 23 pts ----> 55 pts

If you're only watching stats, you're missed something. Tarasenko had been best producer foward when traded and only Goodrow been worst in playoff.

You don't make move for stats but for what the player can bring different and how he can complete your team
 
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DougGilmour93 said:
Robertson is too easily knocked off the puck. When the intensity is amped up come playoff time he’ll be even worse.
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Thats what they said about Marner, and look at him now.....actually if you watch early clips of Robertson when we first called him up the guy was a wrecking ball and extremely physical on the puck, too be honest I think he lost passion and felt betrayed....im sure he was promised things that management never fulfilled on, but it looks like he's really trying to turn shit around....like i mentioned sure his points suck but he's done everything right given the role management gave him.....and its very limited, how would you feel though seeing a guy like Knies get every chance while you sit down in the AHL or pressbox, yeah it would suck and kill alot of your motivation.....especially when his brothers out there popping off

There have been no excuses for not using Robertson more in our top6 and giving him the minutes to work on his game and have more skillful players to support his shot....we kinda did the same crap to Kadri

But we have lacked in Left wingers the past few seasons and brought in old slugs over playing him and Steeves....its such bad management, imagine the players both of these guys would be if we gave them the minutes these past few seasons, instead of being depth players for us atm they would be solid contributors to our roster....and we wouldn't have to trade to fill all these holes, again management has really forced themselves into a hole

You could use the same comparison to Knies, what type of player would he be if we sent him down to the AHL these past few seasons?...it's been a huge part of his development.

Can someone explain what makes a player ready for the NHL? Because the only thing i can see holding a young player from jumping to the NHL is core strength, but with hard work can be achieved within a year easily. And even if we use core strength as a valid argument, wouldn't someone gain more being in an environment where he can get the best of everything and have the best players around them to become stronger and work on become a complete player.

Like a guy like Robertson or Steeves actually getting proper minutes and having the ability to be around guys like Nylander, Matthews, Marner & Tavares who will only make them better on and off the ice?

Who's helping these kids in the system? Its a joke and needs to change if we want success
 
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SprDaVE said:
This is a surprise. I thought he was out for another few weeks. I still think TBL and FLA goes hard after him and B. Tanev.

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I haven't had a good look at those two organizations but I'm pretty sure Florida is lacking trade chips, Tampa wasn't exactly flush with them either a season or two ago as well

If we put a decent prospect plus this year's second (Danford + 2nd or Minten + 2nd) can those teams beat that?
 
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thusk said:
notable foward before being traded by stanley cup winner since 2016
reg before trade ---playoff impact
tarasenko 59 pts ----> 31 pts
Barbashev 40 pts pace ---> 67 pts
Lehkonen 41 pts ---> 57 pts
coleman carreer high 44 pts ---> 43 pts
goodrow 32 pts ----> 20 pts
hagelin 23 pts ----> 55 pts

If you're only watching stats, you're missed something. Tarasenko had been best producer foward when traded and only Goodrow been worst in playoff.

You don't make move for stats but for what the player can bring different and how he can complete your team
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Good post brother!
 
Jason Zucker is another similar to Donato. He is probably in the same tier of forward as someone like Laughton or Coyle, just on the wing. They're having big years relative to their normal ability. They would be cheap and have potential to play a big role. If they can carry their success this year onto the Leafs for a cheaper acquisition price, they would be solid buys.

They are 8th and 9th among the FA scoring leaders. Ahead of 10th place Brock Nelson.
 
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Kiwi said:
I haven't had a good look at those two organizations but I'm pretty sure Florida is lacking trade chips, Tampa wasn't exactly flush with them either a season or two ago as well

If we put a decent prospect plus this year's second (Danford + 2nd or Minten + 2nd) can those teams beat that?
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Fair about the Panthers, one top 90 pick in the next 3 drafts and very little prospects.

TBL still has 2 2nd round picks for this draft, and their top 60 picks for next season. They can add pretty good.
 
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I think Donato could be had for a reasonable price. Would solidly our 3C spot.

Bid hard for Carlo. If we can’t get him, add Ristolainen.

Dump Reaves.

Try and get a late picks for Dewar, Kampf, Timmins, Benoit, if we need the room.

I would be happy with something like this. Would like bigger additions, but not sure it’s there this year.

Skullz said:
I think Donato could be had for a reasonable price. Would solidly our 3C spot.

Bid hard for Carlo. If we can’t get him, add Ristolainen.

Dump Reaves.

Try and get a late picks for Dewar, Kampf, Timmins, Benoit, if we need the room.

I would be happy with something like this. Would like bigger additions, but not sure it’s there this year.
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What about Byram from BUF? Fun to dream!
 
Skullz said:
I think Donato could be had for a reasonable price. Would solidly our 3C spot.

Bid hard for Carlo. If we can’t get him, add Ristolainen.

Dump Reaves.

Try and get a late picks for Dewar, Kampf, Timmins, Benoit, if we need the room.

I would be happy with something like this. Would like bigger additions, but not sure it’s there this year.


What about Byram from BUF? Fun to dream!
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Connor Clifton would be decent without breaking the bank or prospect pool.

I could see Buffalo possibly being interested in Rielly, they dont really have anyone with experience on the back end....I'd be more interested in Owen Power though, he's going to be a solid top shutdown defenseman similar to Parayko.

Would you do something like this:

O.Power

For

Rielly
Niemela
Timmins
Abruzzese
1st round pick
2nd round pick

Riellys singed until 2030 and costs 0.835k less in cap, Powers signed until 2031

Buffalo makes this deal because they add experience, save cap, get more offense out of the backend, plus they get prospects and picks to add to their current rebuild...and they should be fairly competitive next season, but there's no saying Owen wont walk after his contacts done so essentially they dont lose anything besides that last year 2031, but they get Timmins, Niemela, Abruzzese, 1st round & a 2nd.

A future defensive core of:
Power-
Benoit-Danford
Kokkonen-
Mattinen?

Plus whatever else we add with this new scout over the next few seasons in the draft.....a trade like this makes so much sense, especially considering our roster will only get worse after this season....but that's a decent core without adding any free agents or trades, we would already have a decent line-up....Woll should be just getting into his prime(30) once this rosters ready to complete, and we would still have Nylander and hopefully Marner, Matthews would have to be resigned though.

Tanev, McCabe and Ekmam-Larsson could be moved over the next few season's once some of these guys are ready to crack the lineup...we can add more draft picks or guys on offense.

Hopefully this is an option our management is considering, it could save this rebuild and give us a strong chance of winning the cup.

This trade wouldn't affect our tdl, as we still have all the available peaces to make more upgrades.....Myers, Mermis, Reaves, Domi, Dewar, Jarnkrok & Kampf, but we still need to free up 4.5M for Tanev assuming he's back before the playoffs, it would be nice for the team to let us know what's going on....but yeah that leaves us with around 8.1M if my numbers are right its late haha

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Trade-Lorentz-Trade
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Power-Trade
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Stolarz
Woll
 
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