GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Stephen]

WTF are people thinking the Leafs are going to take a Cap dump in a marner trade.

Pageau is not an add, he's a negative value.

If the Islanders can't afford marner, tough.

Also why would the Leafs sell at a loss to send Marner to an undesirable Eastern team bereft of attractive trade assets? They’d actually have to put in the effort to convince Marner to go to the Island too. Completely useless scenario.

 

[Stephen]

the only defensive specialist leafs have is kampf and marner... player of people want to trade. If they move them, who will play in pk and help this pk to be better. Remove Kampf and marner and who do you really trust in pk to take the faceoff and play like next 15-30-45- 60 seconds if you lost the faceoff?

you still need option to play on PK and protecting lead late in the game. You cant only having offensive player and ask them to become great defensive player. Bertuzzi, Domi, tavares, robertson, Reaves are pretty bad in D. Knies struggling in pk. Its half of your foward. Nylander is fast and enough smart to make play but he's not a good defensive player.

you need player able to make an impact in the defensive end too

Kampf is a defensive specialist on the Leafs. That doesn’t mean there aren’t cheaper journeymen out there who can’t do a similar or better job at a lower price.

 

[OVO16]

Kampf is way to vanilla for Berube. Especially as a 4th liner. There are cheaper options who can play a more playoff-style game

 

[Gallagbi]

the only defensive specialist leafs have is kampf and marner... player of people want to trade. If they move them, who will play in pk and help this pk to be better. Remove Kampf and marner and who do you really trust in pk to take the faceoff and play like next 15-30-45- 60 seconds if you lost the faceoff?

you still need option to play on PK and protecting lead late in the game. You cant only having offensive player and ask them to become great defensive player. Bertuzzi, Domi, tavares, robertson, Reaves are pretty bad in D. Knies struggling in pk. Its half of your foward. Nylander is fast and enough smart to make play but he's not a good defensive player.

you need player able to make an impact in the defensive end too

You sign them. We had a roster construction issue last year and it wasn't physical D. We lost PK options upfront and need to reduce Marners role if he stays.

Sorry, I thought I covered the acquisition piece in my building up options comment

 

[Stephen]

Kampf is way to vanilla for Berube. Especially as a 4th liner. There are cheaper options who can play a more playoff-style game

Berube would probably want an Oskar Sundqvist. Basically bigger, meaner, cheaper.

 

[supermann_98]

WTF are people thinking the Leafs are going to take a Cap dump in a marner trade.

Pageau is not an add, he's a negative value.

If the Islanders can't afford marner, tough.

The cap dump is because we're getting the most valuable asset in the deal (Dobson).

Don't care how high you value Marner ... compared to a 24 year old 6'4 RHD who hit 70 points and with his pedigree of success in every aspect of his hockey career so far, Dobson is easily more valuable than a wimpy winger with a muffin shot who disappears when it matters and who wants $12m a year for his disappearing act.

Pageau is the poison pill we'd have to take for the privilege of getting Dobson for what will be probably 8 years of his prime

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Rangers place Barclay Goodrow on waivers in cap-saving move

The New York Rangers have placed veteran forward Barclay Goodrow on waivers, according to Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman.

www.sportsnet.ca

Barclay Goodrow on waivers. If he were to be bought out he’d be a nice add. Or if the Rangers wanted to retain 50% and take him for free.

kind of looking like San Jose might pick him up.

 

[Tony Romo]

Pageau at 5m would be tough, especially cause you’ll need to give Dobson, McCabe and Knies all raises next offseason. But I’ll take 2 years of Pageau if it means we get Dobson tbh.

Dobson could potentially be an 80+ point player on our team

 

[Joseph Nathan]

I dunno. He was not great at all in the playoffs and had one big season.

Marner is better. I wouldn’t have thought Dallas would have the space/need with otter. Harley. Johnston coming up.

But playing along with the rumour. You need to give salary back for sure.

He would sign there. Competitive. Sun big market and no taxes.

Extended Marner would be more than Robertson easily. He’s better

Dude you aren't getting a superstar like him for Marner! Not happening

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Marner for Dobson Pageau makes a lot of sense for both sides.
Leafs get a number 1 RHD and a good 3C and the islanders get elite winger(they don't really have any)

Doesn't make sense for islanders and lou will not move him. There is no world in which marner is worth that or getting that return

 

[thusk]

Kampf is a defensive specialist on the Leafs. That doesn’t mean there aren’t cheaper journeymen out there who can’t do a similar or better job at a lower price.

you can't take for granted the fact your trading kampf, you will find cheaper option able to bring the same kind of thing.

The list of defensive specialist who can cost less on UFA still pretty short, that's the reality. Most of them would be kind of risk you don't really know what you will get like gregor...

 

[hockeywiz542]

Will mutual interest with Maple Leafs, Bertuzzi lead to deal?

The Maple Leafs want to re-sign Tyler Bertuzzi and he wants to re-sign with Toronto, but the team has other matters requiring attention.

torontosun.com

Tyler Bertuzzi would like to remain with the Maple Leafs.

The Leafs, in turn, would like to re-sign the top-six winger.

Whether the sides are able to get to the point that Bertuzzi puts his autograph on a new contract, however, is another matter.

“We’ve had productive talks,” Todd Reynolds, the agent for Bertuzzi, said on Tuesday. “But the player realizes that there are other areas for the team to address. We’ll see where it goes.”

Those areas Leafs general manager Brad Treliving has to address, whether through free agency when it opens on July 1 or through trades, are rather obvious.

With that it mind, it’s likely the reason why that, while the sides have talked, there has been no solid offer made to Bertuzzi by the Leafs.

The space under the salary cap for Treliving, who will get a primary assist from assistant general manager Brandon Pridham in any signings, to use will be a shade under $20 million US.

The priorities in Toronto are a goalie, defencemen and a centre.

Will there be enough money left to re-sign Bertuzzi? It wouldn’t appear so, but that could change. Bertuzzi made $5.5 million on a one-year deal in 2023-24, finishing with 21 goals and 22 assists in 80 games thanks to a better second half. The starting point for the 29-year-old Sudbury, Ont., native on his next contract, presumably, would be at least $5 million.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I understand wanting to move Marner to change things up but people are seriously undervaluing him with these proposals. He is definitely more valuable than a Dobson type.

Tkachuk returned a 100 point Huberdeau and a top 4 D in Weegar with limited trade partners and Tkachuks production dropping off in the playoffs in Calgary (0.5 ppg)

Eichel coming off a major back surgery and perceived bad attitude returned Tuch plus Krebs ( top prospect at the time) and a 1st.

you don't trade a player like Marner unless you get full value or an overpayment, and he is worth a lot!

 

[dubplatepressure]

you can't take for granted the fact your trading kampf, you will find cheaper option able to bring the same kind of thing.

The list of defensive specialist who can cost less on UFA still pretty short, that's the reality. Most of them would be kind of risk you don't really know what you will get like gregor...

Meh. We're still talking about a player with limited utility. I could take or leave Kampf - he's decent when we lack depth but nothing more, and he's a puppy dog to play against. I'd hope for a little more grit and grind from a 4C.

 

[TMLegend]

starting point for the 29-year-old Sudbury, Ont., native on his next contract, presumably, would be at least $5 million.

I like Bertuzzi, but I'm not interested in paying him upwards of 5 mil per season with term.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I understand wanting to move Marner to change things up but people are seriously undervaluing him with these proposals. He is definitely more valuable than a Dobson type.

Tkachuk returned a 100 point Huberdeau and a top 4 D in Weegar with limited trade partners and Tkachuks production dropping off in the playoffs in Calgary (0.5 ppg)

Eichel coming off a major back surgery and perceived bad attitude returned Tuch plus Krebs ( top prospect at the time) and a 1st.

you don't trade a player like Marner unless you get full value or an overpayment, and he is worth a lot!

I see this as a question of scarcity/supply. Scoring wingers are much easier to come by than large, offensively gifted RH top-pairing D. Even if you cut off Dobson's upside to a 2D, after the season he just posted and given he's only 24, you have to think how difficult it would be for NYI to replace him versus a Marner. If I'm NYI I'm going hard after Reinhart, Skinner, or Guentzel before any convo around Marner.

I don't think MT is a fair comparison either. Again - scarcity - offensive powerforwards are extremely rare these days, so his value is high and he is and was younger than Marner is when traded. Both guys going the other way in that deal were pending free agents too, and the 1st was conditional. Eichel's larger, plays centre, but the haul on him was solid at the time IMO.

Other than the fact they're all all-stars, I don't see either of those players being really comparable in value. Maybe Eichel is closer than MT.

 

[Trapper]

I like Bertuzzi, but I'm not interested in paying him upwards of 5 mil per season with term.

The Leafs have begun the internal cap struggle again. Guys aren’t taking 3 million to play top 6 with 13 and 11/12 million dollar players unless they are ELC.

 

[rumman]

The Leafs have begun the internal cap struggle again. Guys aren’t taking 3 million to play top 6 with 13 and 11/12 million dollar players unless they are ELC.

This season is pivotal to their future, Tre better be up to the job or they’ll put themselves behind the eight ball for another decade………

 

[pspot]

The priorities in Toronto are a goalie, defencemen and a centre. so first signing will be a winger...classic Leafs

 

[Tony Romo]

Hypothetically speaking

doing Jankrok + Kampf for picks and Marner for Pageau + Dobson, would give the leafs 25m in cap space.

if you bring up Cowan for the third line and give Dewar 1.25 over 3 years. You would have 23m to get a RW1, LW2, RD2 and/or RD3 plus a goalie.

 

[aingefan]

I like Bertuzzi, but I'm not interested in paying him upwards of 5 mil per season with term.

I’m in the same boat. I’d rather Goodrow for two years than Bert at 4/5/6.
Maybe the trade deadline perspective continues: these are the guys, they need to drive the bus more. Give each big dollar guy an upside player, and a bargain bin third wheel?
Matthews+Knies+Sherwood?
Tavares+Robertson+Amadio?
Nylander+Holmberg/Grebenkin+Wennberg? Wennberg doesn’t exactly qualify, but you get the idea
Spend the legit money on legit D.

 

[Magic Man]

I'm kind of surprised their interest has been more directed at Bertuzzi than Domi. With Marner likely departing Domi has shown he can shift to RW and play that role next to Matthews. He can also play down the middle on the 2nd or 3rd line with an aging Tavares with a year left on his deal, he could share responsibilities.

With Knies, McMann, Robertson and Cowan on the left side. Most of these guys are shooters, like Bertuzzi, while Max fills the playmaking role.

 

[Tony Romo]

I'm kind of surprised their interest has been more directed at Bertuzzi than Domi. With Marner likely departing Domi has shown he can shift to RW and play that role next to Matthews. He can also play down the middle on the 2nd or 3rd line with an aging Tavares with a year left on his deal, he could share responsibilities.

With Knies, McMann, Robertson and Cowan on the left side. Most of these guys are shooters, like Bertuzzi, while Max fills the playmaking role.

My thoughts as well, but maybe they plan on trading Robertson? no idea

 

[Trapper]

This season is pivotal to their future, Tre better be up to the job or they’ll put themselves behind the eight ball for another decade………

So far management has proven the same identity as the core. They cave in pivotal moments.

 

[pspot]

I'm kind of surprised their interest has been more directed at Bertuzzi than Domi. With Marner likely departing Domi has shown he can shift to RW and play that role next to Matthews. He can also play down the middle on the 2nd or 3rd line with an aging Tavares with a year left on his deal, he could share responsibilities.

With Knies, McMann, Robertson and Cowan on the left side. Most of these guys are shooters, like Bertuzzi, while Max fills the playmaking role.

I see it as , its likely JT is departing and Domi is good at faceoffs