GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Punch Drunk Loov]

We should be able to give kampf away for free to some team. Surely there is someone who'd pay a 7th to just have a guy

 

[dubplatepressure]

We should be able to give kampf away for free to some team. Surely there is someone who'd pay a 7th to just have a guy

Decent depth for a bottom-10 team looking for a guy who can hold his own defensively in a bottom-6 role. Shouldn't have any issues IMO.

 

[WTFMAN99]

We should be able to give kampf away for free to some team. Surely there is someone who'd pay a 7th to just have a guy

I think you could probably do something like Kampf and OTT's 7th round to NJD for some kind of pick in the next 2-3 years

I'd take a 2026 DAL 4th from them

They have a hole at 4C and no urgent cap issues.

 

[613Leafer]

Chicago may want Kampf. They're familiar with him, he's a hard working vet, adds a solid defensive presence up the middle, etc. They also struggle to attract players without overpaying right now, because everyone knows they're going to be a bad team.

I wouldn't expect to get anything for him, but I think we could at least move him there as a cap dump.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Chicago may want Kampf. They're familiar with him, he's a hard working vet, adds a solid defensive presence up the middle, etc. They also struggle to attract players without overpaying right now, because everyone knows they're going to be a bad team.

I wouldn't expect to get anything for him, but I think we could at least move him there as a cap dump.

I think with them keeping Dickinson, it's unlikely they'd want Kampf.

 

[-DeMo-]

Doesn't make sense for islanders and lou will not move him. There is no world in which marner is worth that or getting that return

Marner agreeing to a move to NYI is a completely different argument with probably a lot a validity to it, but the talk around Dobson and if this trade would be possible comes down to Dobson imo. he has 1 year left on his current deal, then he becomes Arbitration eligible, followed by being an UFA the summer after. meaning if Dobson doesn't want to sign I believe he could be a UFA in 2 years. so I would expect NYI to try and sign Dobson to an extension long term this summer. however if they can't they could very well put him on the trade market. this is why a potential deal involving Dobson could be possible.

if Dobson hit's the trade market because they can't agree on the contract Marner would be the best player available for a return if there looking for immediate help. there biggest issues the past 2 season's has been offense. 22nd in the league 2 years running I believe and Marner helps a lot in that aspect. he also fits as a pass first guy seeing as alot of there current top 6 excluding Barzal are more shoot first guys with Nelson, Horvat, Lee, Palmieri etc. so he definitely fills a need. this also works if NYI could sign a Skjei/Montour as a UFA to replace some of Dobson's offense from the back end.

lastly those who want to get rid of Kampf, we just signed him to a 4 year deal this past summer, so the management of this team clearly likes him as a player so I doubt there looking to move on from Kampf. I would expect him to be our 4th line center.

 

[Mess]

Rangers place Barclay Goodrow on waivers in cap-saving move

The New York Rangers have placed veteran forward Barclay Goodrow on waivers, according to Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman.

www.sportsnet.ca

Barclay Goodrow on waivers. If he were to be bought out he’d be a nice add. Or if the Rangers wanted to retain 50% and take him for free.

Contrast:

Barclay Goodrow had 6 goals in 16 playoff games this year playoffs while making $3.64 mil AAV for the NYR and he is on waivers. He helped TB to 2 X Stanley Cups and he could be had for free on waivers, because NYR are lookling to get more Cup competitve..

Auston Matthews (1 goal) & Willy Nylander (3) & Mitch Marner (1) & John Tavares (1) combined for 6 goals total in this years playoffs and they consume $42.5 mil AAV cap. (with AM and WN getting big raises)

Mitch Marner has scored 6 goals total combined in the past 5 playoff season while making $10.9 mil AAV for all 5 years and he is the player seen as vital to re-sign for Leafs playoff success.

You could theoretically have 3 X Barclay Goodrow's @ $3.64 ($10.92 mil combined) for the current price of 1 X Mitch Marner @ $10.9 mil). = 18 playoff goals vs 1 for the same cap utilization.



PS. Barclay Goodrow would certainly be a Craig Berube type North-South player that finished all his checks.

 

[-DeMo-]

Contrast:

Barclay Goodrow had 6 goals in 16 playoff games this year playoffs while making $3.64 mil AAV for the NYR and he is on waivers. He helped TB to 2 X Stanley Cups and he could be had for free on waivers, because NYR are lookling to get more Cup competitve..

Auston Matthews (1 goal) & Willy Nylander (3) & Mitch Marner (1) & John Tavares (1) combined for 6 goals total in this years playoffs and they consume $42.5 mil AAV cap. (with AM and WN getting big raises)

Mitch Marner has scored 6 goals total combined in the past 5 playoff season while making $10.9 mil AAV for all 5 years and he is the player seen as vital to re-sign for Leafs playoff success.

You could theoretically have 3 X Barclay Goodrow's @ $3.64 ($10.92 mil combined) for the current price of 1 X Mitch Marner @ $10.9 mil). = 18 playoff goals vs 1 for the same cap utilization.

Goodrow had 12 points and 4 goals in 80 regular season games, Noah Gregor produced the same in less games. he had a chance to produce in the playoffs because the rest of his team carried him into the playoffs.

 

[Zero1]

There’s no way McDavid leaves right? Someone please tell me otherwise.

 

[rumman]

So far management has proven the same identity as the core. They cave in pivotal moments.

Roger that…..

 

[Mess]

Goodrow had 12 points and 4 goals in 80 regular season games, Noah Gregor produced the same in less games. he had a chance to produce in the playoffs because the rest of his team carried him into the playoffs.

On a 114 point President's Trophy Team with NYR that lost in round #3 of the playoffs.

To some fans empty calorie regular season points matter more then true playoff performers.

Barclay Goodrow has 2 X Stanley Cup rings from the past 5 playoff seasons and played in 14 playoff series over that time. That is a truck load of experience and success, knowing what it takes to win in the playoffs.

Elliotte Friedman put it best.

Along with his 6 goals he recorded 41 hits and 29 blocked shots

Building a Stanley Cup contending team is different then stats padding regular season points that turn into early round #1 exists, because your player personnel is not built for the style of play and systems towards success in the real season the playoffs.

 

[SprDaVE]

We should be able to give kampf away for free to some team. Surely there is someone who'd pay a 7th to just have a guy

A team that wants to improve their PK and center strength in their lower lines would likely be very interested for at least some mid-round pick or something. Kampf also had a very strong World Championships, which is scouted by NHL teams.

There are a lot of teams with new coaches and new managements. I think we'd be surprised what Kampfs value is around the league for his role. His cap hit is unfortunately just a bit too high to gain a lot of value.

With that said, I think we underestimate how much the Leafs like/want to keep Kampf. They gave him a 4 year deal. Those players don't get dumped within a year usually.

 

[-DeMo-]

On a 114 point President's Trophy Team with NYR that lost in round #3 of the playoffs.

To some fans empty calorie regular season points matter more then true playoff performers.

Barclay Goodrow has 2 X Stanley Cup rings from the past 5 playoff seasons.

Elliotte Friedman put it best.

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you have to actually make the playoffs first... Goodrow or 3 goodrow's at 3+ million is a recipe to miss the playoffs.

you have a team who put the guy on waivers so anyone can get him for free yet there's not likely to be any takers. if he was such good value for what he brings they wouldn't have put him on waivers in the first place.

 

[Tony Romo]

you have to actually make the playoffs first... Goodrow or 3 goodrow's at 3+ million is a recipe to miss the playoffs.

you have a team who put the guy on waivers so anyone can get him for free yet there's not likely to be any takers. if he was such good value for what he brings they wouldn't have put him on waivers in the first place.

don't bring logic into this conversation!!!!!

Also to add context to this, elite playoff performer scored half of his career total playoff goals... in these playoffs.

Before this year he ha 6 goals in 81 GP.

But according to some, teams should be lining up to trade for Goodrow, considering he has the same amount of goals as Tkachuk or more than Pasta etc...

 

[Stephen]

you can't take for granted the fact your trading kampf, you will find cheaper option able to bring the same kind of thing.

The list of defensive specialist who can cost less on UFA still pretty short, that's the reality. Most of them would be kind of risk you don't really know what you will get like gregor...

Kampf came from the UFA dumpster. He’s not that precious.

 

[ACC1224]

There’s no way McDavid leaves right? Someone please tell me otherwise.

Not this summer. He's signed for two more years.

 

[OVO16]

Kampf is overpaid for a 4th line player. Any team that would want him, can easily get a cheaper version of him.

He might have to be bought out or put on waivers like Goodrow was.

 

[-DeMo-]

Kampf came from the UFA dumpster. He’s not that precious.

well most people who come from the UFA Dumpster as you put it don't usually sign for 4 year deals, nor do they sign for 2.5 million per. Signing Kampf to the deal they did clearly shows me they like the players.

 

[Jozay]

well most people who come from the UFA Dumpster as you put it don't usually sign for 4 year deals, nor do they sign for 2.5 million per. Signing Kampf to the deal they did clearly shows me they like the players.

It was a bad signing.

 

[Stephen]

well most people who come from the UFA Dumpster as you put it don't usually sign for 4 year deals, nor do they sign for 2.5 million per. Signing Kampf to the deal they did clearly shows me they like the players.

Means nothing. Our management group is extremely risk adverse and governed by fear of change.

 

[SprDaVE]

well most people who come from the UFA Dumpster as you put it don't usually sign for 4 year deals, nor do they sign for 2.5 million per. Signing Kampf to the deal they did clearly shows me they like the players.

Treliving has a penchant of signing terrible contracts almost every off-season. I'm not looking forward to seeing what he accumulates in a year or two.

 

[Stephen]

Treliving has a penchant of signing terrible contracts almost every off-season. I'm not looking forward to seeing what he accumulates in a year or two.

I wouldn’t go that far but this management group does treat its pieces a little too preciously at times. And Kampf isn’t precious.

 

[thusk]

Meh. We're still talking about a player with limited utility. I could take or leave Kampf - he's decent when we lack depth but nothing more, and he's a puppy dog to play against. I'd hope for a little more grit and grind from a 4C

Kampf came from the UFA dumpster. He’s not that precious.

Limited utility??? Absolutly nobody in the NHL started more defensive faceoff than Kampf since he's in Toronto.

He took 23 of 27 (85%) faceoff in pk last season and 100 of 136 PK faceoff since he's in Toronto (74%). it's 50% of chance everytime you step in the ice than you will play the next 15-30 second to defend and can became much higher when you're in PK. Nobody having a bigger impact in the defensive end than Kampf. If you moving him, you need to be sure you will have someone to replace what he's doing and from ufa market, the chance to find a defensive specialist C under 2M is pretty weak. Option in the team, the only one i can see able to replace him one day is Minten and he will probably need a year with the marlies.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Limited utility??? Absolutly nobody in the NHL started more defensive faceoff than Kampf since he's in Toronto.

He took 23 of 27 (85%) faceoff in pk last season and 100 of 136 PK faceoff since he's in Toronto (74%). it's 50% of chance everytime you step in the ice than you will play the next 15-30 second to defend and can became much higher when you're in PK. Nobody having a bigger impact in the defensive end than Kampf. If you moving him, you need to be sure you will have someone to replace what he's doing and from ufa market, the chance to find a defensive specialist C under 2M is pretty weak. Option in the team, the only one i can see able to replace him one day is Minten and he will probably need a year with the marlies.

Holmberg. Done.

 

[Smif]

I think these are the guys that are going
Lilly 2nd round pick
Kampf 3rd round pick
Jarnkrok 3rd round pick
Timmins 6th round pick

I would be over the moon if we got those returns.