GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Americanadian]

I remember the good old days when you couldn't win with 4 forwards taking to much of the cap

Now I've noticed it's migrated to 3 highly paid forwards?

Can someone tell me when we've actually tried having only 3 highly paid forwards because over the last half a decade we've tried it with 4 of them not 3

In fact we haven't even tried 3 yet so I'd like to know why everybody is certain it just won't work? Or is it just Marner is a p***y and has to go because obviously somebody needs to be scapegoated?

Marner wants McDavid money. McDavid is putting up 2 points per game in the playoffs while playing center. Marner isn’t. That’s why people don’t want him returning.

 

[Evilhomer]

Hot take: all of the Leafs’ issues to make the a perfect contender can’t be fixed in one offseason.

What they can do is still put together a competitive team that might make a run, while also positioning themselves to leverage Tavares and Marner’s contracts off the books next offseason.

They need to avoid bogging the cap down with mediocre players on poor mid to long term contracts.

What the Leafs do have in house are some nice forward prospects on the wing. Plan to reallocate money into the blue line, with another top 9 centre, and goaltending.

From my perspective, this is exactly why I don't resign Bertuzzi to a term deal.

 

[shortfuze]

Well reinhart isnt a cast off

He is a star/part of the core for the years he has been there

Barkov + Tkachuk + Ekblad + Reinhart + Bobrovsky is their core the past 2 years

Verhaghe + Montour + Forsling + Benmett + EroD are the elite depth who were at one time not much to write about

The panthers core > leafs star 5

The panthers depth/castoffs > leafs star 5

Marner + Matthews + Nylander + Tavares + Rielly arent only very overpaid come playoffs, they are 2nd line players who we expect to be 5 of top 15 playoff players in the league.

Reinhart is a great player. Not talking about him.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Hot take: all of the Leafs’ issues to make the a perfect contender can’t be fixed in one offseason.

What they can do is still put together a competitive team that might make a run, while also positioning themselves to leverage Tavares and Marner’s contracts off the books next offseason.

They need to avoid bogging the cap down with mediocre players on poor mid to long term contracts.

What the Leafs do have in house are some nice forward prospects on the wing. Plan to reallocate money into the blue line, with another top 9 centre, and goaltending.

That's not a hot take, that's a literal fact.

 

[BertCorbeau]

That's not a hot take, that's a literal fact.

TBH it’s tempering expectations in the offseason.. I get the opinion from enough that things can be turned around in one offseason.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

TBH it’s tempering expectations in the offseason.. I get the opinion from enough that things can be turned around in one offseason.

Maybe if Tre has a "Summer of Pierre" we can build a Cup contender in one year so that we can keep up with Ottawa

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Shea Theodore + Logan Thompson + Matyas Sapovaliv
To Vegas: Mitch Marner + Noah Gregor

To Toronto: Jack McBain + COL 3rd Rounder
To Utah: Timothy Liljegren + VAN 5th Rounder


UFA Signings:
Chandler Stephenson - 6 million
Matt Roy - 5.75 million
Travis Boyd - 1.35 million
Chris Tanev - 4.5 million

Re-Sign:
Tyler Bertuzzi - 5.5 million
Max Domi - 4.5 million



Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi
Knies - Stephenson - Nylander
McMann - Tavares - Cowan
Holmberg - McBain - Boyd

Theodore - Roy
Rielly - Tanev
Benoit - McCabe

Thompson - Woll


You’d have around 1.4 million in cap space.

 

[ULF_55]

Until next season:

Approximate Cap Hit:
marner = Nylander + 55%
Tavares = Nylander + 60%
Matthews = Nylander + 65%

If they could replace 2 double digits, add to two $7mm forwards they'd be in a very good position.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Interesting shout.

Lucas Carlsson in Florida is another I'd consider. His position is kind of similar to Forsling's in Carolina. That's not to say he'll be that good, but based on the numbers, he's likely too good for the A.

Was wondering about him, too. But why the drop off this season compared to his season with Charlotte in 2022-23?

Is he in the AHL solely because of the Panthers' depth or are there flaws in his game?

 

[ULF_55]

TBH it’s tempering expectations in the offseason.. I get the opinion from enough that things can be turned around in one offseason.

Of course things can turn around in one season ... we aren't talking about taking an 80 point team to 110 points.

Leafs are a 100+ point team, without goaltending.
Leafs are a 100+ point team, without a #1 defender.
Leafs are a 100+ point team, without a good system.

I know

Always darkest before the dawn.

Add a #1 defender, a healthy goaltender, and some enthusiastic, talented, hardworking youth and we may be amazed.

Leafs are in the rear view mirror, and they just got a new driver.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Looking ahead to the d-man class of next years free agency, this isn’t a bad year to invest in some guys IMO.

Solidify the d-core. There are some young wingers that I wouldn’t want to block on the roster, and I’m a fan of seeing what Will can do while having an opportunity for Hildeby if needed. If there’s a trade to bring in a top 6/9 centre, that would be huge as well.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Theodore and Thompson feels like a classic Vegas lowball even though Theodore would be great.

Theodore hasn’t played much in the past few years. Is he fully healthy now, or are we looking at another Woll situation that is starting to occur with him?

 

[Shanwhatplan]

You could probably get the first if we retained a large chunk of his salary....

Not if we waited until July 2nd.

 

[Tony Romo]

as much as I'm a fan of Montour.

No Marner for Theodore trade, I think the targets should be the following:

Skjei
Roy
Tanev
Montour

I know Montour is a RD but I think Skjei is a little better. Roy and Tanev may end up being better contracts. As Tanev will probably be a 2-3 year contract, the last year maybe a little tough.

Can come out with a top 4 of

Skjei - Roy
Rielly - McCabe

 

[BertCorbeau]

I like Skjei and Roy personally.

 

[Sypher04]

IF Marner is moved, after the D and G are addressed, I’d really consider taking a run at Patrick Kane in free agency. Even at 35. Coming off major surgery and rehab last year he went nearly a point per game over 50 games. He could replace a lot of what Marner brings us, short term at a much more reasonable cost.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Unless it’s a precursor for a Rielly trade I’d rather overpay Zadorov honestly. Having Theodore be our big play on D still leaves us without an RD, point shot, or top shutdown unit.

Do not want to pay Zadorov at least $5 million or more. He was very good in these playoffs, but before that, he has proven to only be a very good bottom pairing dman.

 

[ULF_55]

TBH it’s tempering expectations in the offseason.. I get the opinion from enough that things can be turned around in one offseason.

Leafs do not have to be the best team in the NHL.
Leafs just have to make adjustments.

 

[ULF_55]

Do not want to pay Zadorov at least $5 million or more. He was very good in these playoffs, but before that, he has proven to only be a very good bottom pairing dman.

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[Shanwhatplan]

Is marner into Nashville?

He certainly would enjoy the less media coverage he’d have there.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

this is the roster I built on capfriendly voa this marner deal + rielly trade

I would honestly deal Jarnkrok for a pick and then have 5M+ for 1 more piece to add
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I don’t know. If McMann can stay healthy, I think I might like him better on the 2nd line, put Knies on the 3rd line (would face easier matchups), and move Tomasino (not familiar with him) down onto the 4th line.

 

[Sypher04]

this is the roster I built on capfriendly voa this marner deal + rielly trade

I would honestly deal Jarnkrok for a pick and then have 5M+ for 1 more piece to add
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Man imagine signing all of Montour, Skjei, Demelo in addition to getting Theodore lol

 

[BertCorbeau]

IF Marner is moved, after the D and G are addressed, I’d really consider taking a run at Patrick Kane in free agency. Even at 35. Coming off major surgery and rehab last year he went nearly a point per game over 50 games. He could replace a lot of what Marner brings us, short term at a much more reasonable cost.

Especially if Domi prices himself out of Toronto

 

[BertCorbeau]

On another note please trade Jarnkrok ... he's a nice versatile depth piece for the regular season but he's a total non factor in the playoffs. Yes he's responsible and can kill penalties, but that isn't quite enough for the post season IMO.

In 18 career playoff games with the Leafs: 1 G, 2 A...

in 93 career playoff games: 5 G, 17 A ... And he'll be 33 starting this next season.

I could actually see Dubas interested in him for Pittsburgh

 

[Dreakmur]

Not if we waited until July 2nd.

A team like Vegas cares about the cap hit a lot more than the cash.