GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[thusk]

No on Keefe and the system but I do agree we need more activation and for away from it last year

If Monogram gets too pricey you look at trade options. It's not him or bust

-A 3C at good salary
- team would accept to trade
- you will not need to overpay in term of value

not an easy thing to do

2- for me giving up 4,25M for a 3C when you didn't fix your D is already too much. Leafs need 2 top 4 dman and it's a higher priority than a 3rd C or any winger...

need in term priority
1- 2 top D to play in top 4
2-goaltending
3- the rest with what would remaining.

until your top priority are not solve, you can't spend all you pick/ prospect or whatever available because you will maybe need it.

 

[Gallagbi]

Shared or not, it still impacts the offensive contributions of the players who are now doing defensive work. Tavares gets more defensive ice time, that means he gets less offensive ice time.

You think Kampf's replacement is going to score more than him by taking Kampf's ice time, but that isn't going to happen. The ice time needed to score won't come out of Kampf's old allotment, but from Matthews and Tavares.

We're going to downgrade out defensive play without upgrading (and probably downgrading) the offensive play.

Holmberg is not close to as good as Kampf defensively, and we won't score more in the same role.

I'm all for upgrading, but roles and responsibilities need to be accounted for. The best player isn't necessarily the best player for a specific role.

Last post since we're going in circles. My position is clear and you're alright to disagree. You think Kampf is a focal point of this team, but missed the gap a 3C put on our roster last year and the distribution issues it caused

I'm okay to move on from Kampf, you don't see a way to success without him. We'll agree to disagree on that one

-A 3C at good salary
- team would accept to trade
- you will not need to overpay in term of value

not an easy thing to do

2- for me giving up 4,25M for a 3C when you didn't fix your D is already too much. Leafs need 2 top 4 dman and it's a higher priority than a 3rd C or any winger...

need in term priority
1- 2 top D to play in top 4
2-goaltending
3- the rest with what would remaining.

until your top priority are not solve, you can't spend all you pick/ prospect or whatever available because you will maybe need it.

Think bigger, not smaller.

My biggest priorities are D and 3C. Just because were talking about one doesn't mean it's the only issue

 

[Dreakmur]

Last post since we're going in circles. My position is clear and you're alright to disagree. You think Kampf is a focal point of this team, but missed the gap a 3C put on our roster last year and the distribution issues it caused

I'm okay to move on from Kampf, you don't see a way to success without him. We'll agree to disagree on that one

It's not that I disagree that we'd be good to upgrade on him.... but there's a salary cap, and we're not getting better for less money.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm sure we'll really miss Dmitri Ovechnikov.
Of course, we added a much better player in Cade Webber.

Pretty funny to dump on Ovechnikov and then turn around and praise a prospect that is just as if not more insignificant.

Did we trade away any 1st rounders this year? I forget.

No, our team wasn't worth it this year, after Treliving made it worse. And Treliving was still benefitting from our deadline trade last year.
We did throw away 6 other picks plus a prospect in order to not improve anything at the deadline though.

Sandin was younger than many of the guys you still count as prospects.

I don't care about age. I care about their status, and whether there is prospect value left to be extracted. That's the whole point of this prospect thing.

That's why only 5 have made NHL rosters....

You don't even realize that that is good. Only 6 teams have had more players play a full season of games from the 2018-2022 drafts, and every single one had 1-2 top-3 lottery picks in that time, and as many as three top-5 picks.

Dubas subtracted over and over and over.

Like any team in our position, he subtracted some picks, but he also added some picks, and drafted well with the picks he had, and held onto his prospects, and supplemented well outside the draft, which is why our pool still improved despite the pick expenditures.

 

[Kiwi]

Our 4th line lacks an identity

If you want to use Kampf as a defensive specialist he needs wingers who can transport the puck up ice for him, he has zero ability to do it himself and that's why he's worked in that role with guys like Engvall

He can't do that job with Reeves, there styles don't mix so we need to choose one and build the line like that

It's either a defensive line with wingers who can play that way or a bang crash energy line with guys who play that way

We need to.pick a lane and personnel who can play that way

 

[Dreakmur]

Pretty funny to dump on Ovechnikov and then turn around and praise a prospect that is just as if not more insignificant.

Who was more likely to play for the Leafs?

No, our team wasn't worth it this year, after Treliving made it worse. And Treliving was still benefitting from our deadline trade last year.
We did throw away 6 other picks plus a prospect in order to not improve anything at the deadline though.

The team has never been worth it, and they've proven that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....

Treliving's pre-deadline team was better than Dubas's pre-deadline team last year. Only one GM was smart enough to realize they weren't a true contender.

I wasn't real happy Treliving traded so many picks for rentals either, but that's the difference between us.... I don't have to pretend the guy I like is completely infallible.

I don't care about age. I care about their status, and whether there is prospect value left to be extracted. That's the whole point of this prospect thing.

Don't kid yourself - you care about whatever you think will prove Dubas did a good job.

You don't even realize that that is good. Only 6 teams have had more players play a full season of games from the 2018-2022 drafts, and every single one had 1-2 top-3 lottery picks in that time, and as many as three top-5 picks.

Too bad we traded so many away....

Like any team in our position, he subtracted some picks, but he also added some picks, and drafted well with the picks he had, and held onto his prospects, and supplemented well outside the draft,

What position is that? Fake contenders?

We have NEVER been contenders. Get it though your head. Never. Not once. Every time we've added rentals has been a mistake by the GM - Lou, Dubas, and Tre.

which is why our pool still improved despite the pick expenditures.

Our prospect pool of what? I'm still waiting for the list....

 

[thusk]

Last post since we're going in circles. My position is clear and you're alright to disagree. You think Kampf is a focal point of this team, but missed the gap a 3C put on our roster last year and the distribution issues it caused

I'm okay to move on from Kampf, you don't see a way to success without him. We'll agree to disagree on that one


Think bigger, not smaller.

My biggest priorities are D and 3C. Just because were talking about one doesn't mean it's the only issue

5 year under keefe whatever who played in the bottom 6, 0no body really had succes except maybe oreilly who actually a top 6 C. They changed it years after year after year and thebresult always been the same. Take exemple Boston, Florida or whatever, anyone who playing there having succes, They made everyone looking better because everybody are involve in the game. Maybe it's time to understand than the real problem is not necessairly who was playing in the bottom 6 but something else

 

[Rielly4]

Honestly if it isnt Theodore, Dobson, Clarke, Chabot or Power. Keep Marner. No point in moving him unelss we get a stud #1 D puck mover with size.

 

[jaric1862]

I wonder if the Blackhawks would retain at all on Jones.

 

[Dreakmur]

I wonder if the Blackhawks would retain at all on Jones.

6 years is a long time. I'd be surprised, unless they get a huge return.

 

[JEI]

More and more insiders seem to think Saros is re-signing in Nashville.

Goalie carousel continues..other goalie trade options who are under contract Tristan Jarry with retention? Filip Gustavsson from Minnesota? Jordan Bennington reunion with Berube?

 

[Gabriel426]

going to get my rep in.

MM for Parayko, Binnington, 1st and 2nd rounder

 

[jaric1862]

Free agency Gameplan.

Sign two of Tanev, Pesce, Roy, Montour, DeMelo
Sign one of Stolarz, Brossoit

Fill out the forward group with bargain bin players and young guys.

 

[Evilhomer]

going to get my rep in.

MM for Parayko, Binnington, 1st and 2nd rounder

The Leafs won't trade for a goalie. They want Woll to be the starter, so they will sign a tandem guy and hope for Woll to stay healthy. I actually think that is the right strategy. I'm not fussed by Woll's injury history.

 

[Burnie97]

Free agency Gameplan.

Sign two of Tanev, Pesce, Roy, Montour, DeMelo
Sign one of Stolarz, Brossoit

Fill out the forward group with bargain bin players and young guys.

That seems most likely at this point.

It'd be good to have some surprises but I'm Doubtful.

 

[Evilhomer]

Free agency Gameplan.

Sign two of Tanev, Pesce, Roy, Montour, DeMelo
Sign one of Stolarz, Brossoit

Fill out the forward group with bargain bin players and young guys.

I'm pretty sure this is exactly what will happen. The only thing you left out is that those UFA contracts (and I'm expecting that the Leafs will sign Montour right when free agency opens) are going to be terrible.

 

[JEI]

Update by Friedman.

Boston wants more than what Calgary got in return for Ullmark. Looks like he will be bound for Ottawa.
Detroit is in the market for a long-term goaltender (Lyon and Husso are under contract there).
Ducks do not want to retain money on Gibson
Teams looking for 1b's in: Stolarz, Brossoit (Toronto linked to him).

Because NJ got there guy, LA got there guy, there's less of a goalie market (at least for the top guys).

 

[Dekes For Days]

Who was more likely to play for the Leafs?

Pretty equally unlikely.

The team has never been worth it, and they've proven that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....
Treliving's pre-deadline team was better than Dubas's pre-deadline team last year.

There have been many years when the team was worth it. Our pre-deadline 2022-2023 team was objectively better than both our pre and post deadline 2023-2024 teams, despite permanently losing a core member in-season in 2022-2023. Our pre-deadline 2021-2022 and 2020-2021 teams were also better.

I wasn't real happy Treliving traded so many picks for rentals either, but that's the difference between us.... I don't have to pretend the guy I like is completely infallible.

The only one who has done that is you. You continue to do it in this interaction.

Too bad we traded so many away....

We didn't. You won't even admit that you were wrong about 5 being bad.

What position is that?

111-115 point Contenders, though even playoff and bubble teams do it too.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Ullmark would waive for Ottawa?

 

[ToneDog]

Honestly if it isnt Theodore, Dobson, Clarke, Chabot or Power. Keep Marner. No point in moving him unelss we get a stud #1 D puck mover with size.

And then what. Give him $100m or let him walk for free?

 

[Dreakmur]

going to get my rep in.

MM for Parayko, Binnington, 1st and 2nd rounder

That would be a huge return. I like it!

 

[BertCorbeau]

Update by Friedman.

Boston wants more than what Calgary got in return for Ullmark. Looks like he will be bound for Ottawa.
Detroit is in the market for a long-term goaltender (Lyon and Husso are under contract there).
Ducks do not want to retain money on Gibson
Teams looking for 1b's in: Stolarz, Brossoit (Toronto linked to him).

Because NJ got there guy, LA got there guy, there's less of a goalie market (at least for the top guys).

Marner (extended) for Gibson + 3rd OA

 

[Gabriel426]

The Leafs won't trade for a goalie. They want Woll to be the starter, so they will sign a tandem guy and hope for Woll to stay healthy. I actually think that is the right strategy. I'm not fussed by Woll's injury history.

Didn't they tried to get Markstorm? Don't think they will trade a 1st for a goalie and let him walk the following year.

 

[ToneDog]

Didn't they tried to get Markstorm? Don't think they will trade a 1st for a goalie and let him walk the following year.

Lots of smoke around Broissart. Not at the top of my list. Bruins and Flames will want an overpay to trade with the Leafs. Ullmark might waive to come here but I'm guessing he is not an option.

The Leafs won't trade for a goalie. They want Woll to be the starter, so they will sign a tandem guy and hope for Woll to stay healthy. I actually think that is the right strategy. I'm not fussed by Woll's injury history.

Until Woll shows he can stay healthy, it would be wise to be fussed IMO. Remember Matt Murray?

 

[Mad hatter]

The Leafs won't trade for a goalie. They want Woll to be the starter, so they will sign a tandem guy and hope for Woll to stay healthy. I actually think that is the right strategy. I'm not fussed by Woll's injury history.

Woll has the ability to be great starter in the NHL imho but the injuriy history can’t be ignored either. We have to be prepared for it and have someone who can handle the net when Woll is hurt. Being a starter means he has to stay healthy and his history shows he can’t so far. If we can trade for a legit starter then I think we should, it’s a position that’s away to important for a gamble. Hopefully Woll has a healthy year and I’m completely wrong and is the starter we’ve needed since Eddie.