GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Cap'n Flavour]

If the Leafs got Wilson in a Marner trade that'd be such a huge win, but I doubt they move him

lol. Trade Marner for a RW who somehow scores even fewer goals/game in the playoffs because he's big, okay.

 

[Dreakmur]

What top 6C or top4RHD will be dealt for a package around 23rd OA?

Robertson, Liligren and Minten are our only other pieces worth ~2nd in value that would be dealt (cowan, knies off table and greb is wildcard but likely not available at this pt)

Think our offer gets beat for a legit 2C or #2/3D whos a RHD

Colton Parayko

I’d happily send Liljegren, Robertson, 23 OA, +

 

[Knies iT]

I could definitely get behind a deBrusk trade. Big kid, physical, decent shot, to the greasy areas.

Treliving is trying to mold us into a nastier team. I could definitely see a trade like this happening. Maybe Ullmark+DeBrusk for our 1st +

You're describing the DeBrusk that shows up vs the Leafs.

The DeBrusk that plays against 31 other teams is soft with inconsistent effort and disappears for long periods of time.

 

[Dreakmur]

You're describing the DeBrusk that shows up vs the Leafs.

The DeBrusk that plays against 31 other teams is soft with inconsistent effort and disappears for long periods of time.

Domi and Bertuzzi are both better than DeBrusk.

 

[JKG33]

lol. Trade Marner for a RW who somehow scores even fewer goals/game in the playoffs because he's big, okay.

If Marner had even 10% of the stones Wilson does he just might be worth most of his cap hit

 

[JKG33]

Marner for fiala?
As a low end? Not what I would want but
He is locked in at 5 x 7.8.

That would give an extra 3-4 million in space

Extended Marner for byfield be a dream. But unlikely.

Brandt Clarke. Moore and a prospect/first?

I still think I like Dobson the best out of the options I have thought of.

Or Mctavish and Gibson?

LA wouldn't trade cheaper Marner (Fiala) who actually knows how to shoot and his a bit of an attitude for soft overpaid Marner

Byfield is overrated but LA doesn't touch that either

And no chance in hell Clarke is moved

 

[Kiwi]

What top 6C or top4RHD will be dealt for a package around 23rd OA?

Robertson, Liligren and Minten are our only other pieces worth ~2nd in value that would be dealt (cowan, knies off table and greb is wildcard but likely not available at this pt)

Think our offer gets beat for a legit 2C or #2/3D whos a RHD

Where did I say it was going to happen?

I didn't but the only way I'd move that 1st is if it helps fill a major hole, if not I'd make the pick

 

[Kiwi]

Domi and Bertuzzi are both better than DeBrusk.

At least DeBrusk can skate, Bertuzzi looks like he's wading through mud when he's moving

Also Domi can bugger off, I bet we can get Roslovic for less money and term who does everything Domi can do

 

[Kurtz]

Eh Markstrom is ok .. more of a notable name more than anything. In the last 4 years, Markstrom has just over 200 games played.

- Of the 47 goalies who have played 100 games or more, Markstrom is 21st in SV%
- Of the 21 goalies who have played 150 games or more, he is 14th in SV%
- Of the 5 goalies who have played 200 games or more, he is 5th (by a bit) in SV%

He is certainly a capable starting goalie that can help make a team competitive. But on the flip side he's now 34 too. Age can creep in over the next two years.

His stats are actually not that different than Kuemper ... but Kuemper has had far more playoff success and won a cup.

Just doesn't seem like it's worth a 1st to me IMO.

On the flip side, Ullmark (150 games played) ranks at the top of the list for goalies who have played 100+ games in the last 4 years. He's also 30, but only has 1 year left. You have to assume whoever he's traded to has an extension lined up, so it will be costly.

Some team is going to give up assets+money to Ullmark and seriously regret it.

Remember how much we were hoping that Boston would play Ullmark against us instead of Swayman (knowing they weren't gonna be dumb enough to do it again).

His playoff numbers are brutal. That series against the Panthers he had last year with a stacked Bruins team...some of the worst pressure goaltending you'll ever see.

Once he leaves Boston, he goes back to being an average starter but this time marking star money.

 

[Skullz]

I love Debrusk, would fit super well, brings a lot of speed and tenacity as well as some scoring touch.

6 million is a little much.

How about 5 X 5.25?

This would give us a LW depth of:

Debrusk
Knies
McMann

All big, strong, and fast. I love it.

 

[Skullz]

Warren Foegele would be another interesting LW to take a look at.

 

[JEI]

Arvidsson probably has the best 'bang for buck' potential in the market. Might be had for under 5m on a medium term with potential to be a very strong top-six.

 

[jaric1862]

We finally have cap space available, and now we want to spend that on a winger?

 

[Jozay]

Arvidsson probably has the best 'bang for buck' potential in the market. Might be had for under 5m on a medium term with potential to be a very strong top-six.

Will also miss a solid 30 games every year too

 

[JEI]

Will also miss a solid 30 games every year too

Injuries definitely a concern.

 

[Kurtz]

Arvidsson probably has the best 'bang for buck' potential in the market. Might be had for under 5m on a medium term with potential to be a very strong top-six.

His playoff numbers are very underwhelming.

Vancouver couldn't give Garland away, and he's the same type of player I think, but more durable.

 

[Dreakmur]

At least DeBrusk can skate, Bertuzzi looks like he's wading through mud when he's moving

And yet Bertuzzi is a much more effective player. Substance >>>>>> style

Also Domi can bugger off, I bet we can get Roslovic for less money and term who does everything Domi can do

Domi was great with Matthews. That chemistry is valuable.


I wouldn’t pay any of them 6+ million though….

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't like this. you?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803598352350679269

 

[LeafEgo]

@ToneDog mentioned Debrusk not long ago and I think signing him would be a great move for us over Bertuzzi. Like to see that for sure.

If Debrusk becomes a Leaf I'll give him a clean slate, but not too interested and today I take Bert, who's ours until he isn't, everyday of the week.

 

[JKG33]

Arvidsson probably has the best 'bang for buck' potential in the market. Might be had for under 5m on a medium term with potential to be a very strong top-six.

I liked Arvidsson, but him anywhere near $5m is the next Mikheyev contract. $4m would be tolerable, but he's below Domi for me

 

[PromisedLand]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803427416250937424

 

[Kiwi]

And yet Bertuzzi is a much more effective player. Substance >>>>>> style



Domi was great with Matthews. That chemistry is valuable.


I wouldn’t pay any of them 6+ million though….

That half a point per game playing in the top 6 was a real head turner

He can't score goals, he's horrible defensively and he did nothing during the playoffs
He isn't good enough to care about

None of them are, offer Roslovic 3.5M over a couple of years, there's your W/C that can give you half a point per game on the 3rd line

 

[Martin Skoula]

That half a point per game playing in the top 6 was a real head turner

He can't score goals, he's horrible defensively and he did nothing during the playoffs
He isn't good enough to care about

None of them are, offer Roslovic 3.5M over a couple of years, there's your W/C that can give you half a point per game on the 3rd line

It feels like people are thinking about Hyman’s game and then typing out Bertuzzi sometimes, I really don’t get it. He’s too slow to be first in on the forecheck, he’s too slow to backcheck. I like his game when the ADHD chaos stuff works out on the boards and he’s good in front of the net, he’s closer to a JVR on crack than he is to this gritty hard hitting two-way forechecking beast people are describing.

Don’t get me wrong he seems like a good guy and if he took a 4x4 or something manageable he’s a good middle-6/PP netfront filler piece, but the “he does all the little things to make his line work” is crazy. That being said I could see him having a good year under Berube if someone else on his line is first in on the forecheck and his job is to show up and ?!?!? to get the puck to the net on a broken scramble.

 

[Apex Predator]

I don't like this. you?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803598352350679269

I would love him on the leafs but I’m worried he’s going to get overpaid.

 

[JKG33]

If our hopes come true and Marner is duct taped to the next rocket Elon Musk launches, the number one UFA winger I'd be after (besides Guentzel) is Toffoli. He's not gunna bully anyone physically like Domi or Bertuzzi. But he's hard on the puck, and battles every shift, he doesn't shy away from contact like Marner or Nylander. He was also a favorite of Sutter's in both LA and CGY. He's an old school pro that Berube would love.

I have no idea what he gets on the UFA market. Anything between $4m-6.5m wouldn't be a surprise.

I like Debrusk, but not at that rumored AAV. Leaf fans see him as a killer which I get, but he's wildly inconsistent and would get destroyed by the Toronto media during one of his many cold streaks