GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Brobust]

Brandon Montour has hit the 40 point mark once in his career, and he'll be 30 to start the next season. He's going to get paid like he's the 70 point player he was one time in his career.

Brady Skjei has also only hit 40 points once in his career, he's 30 now. He's also going to get paid like he's the almost-50 point player he was for the first time last year.



Those are not ideal. Those are outright fantasies. He's just not worth nearly thatmuch. Not trading Marner last year has tanked his value.



Marner has to go, and we've got limited options. Hopefully, people understand that this trade is just one battle in the war for the Stanley Cup.

Backing yourself into a corner like this means the war's already lost.

 

[Dreakmur]

Backing yourself into a corner like this means the war's already lost.

It's understanding that you've lost a battle, and it's better to bail out than throwing more resources at a lost cause.

 

[rumman]

If we swap Marner for Theodore and Thompson, are we a better team next year? I think we are.

by far a better team, lets win some playoff games and let the other team "win" the trade...........

 

[BertCorbeau]

Not sure how I feel about Theodore… too much Barrie PTSD

 

[Martin Skoula]

Not sure how I feel about Theodore… too much Barrie PTSD

Unless it’s a precursor for a Rielly trade I’d rather overpay Zadorov honestly. Having Theodore be our big play on D still leaves us without an RD, point shot, or top shutdown unit.

 

[Budz]

Not sure how I feel about Theodore… too much Barrie PTSD

I honestly would like to trade for a young Center or Goalie and a first for Marner. Keep the cap dollars and get 2 D in addition.

The first is trade fodder at the deadline.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

It's understanding that you've lost a battle, and it's better to bail out than throwing more resources at a lost cause.

Exactly.

The time to win a Marner trade has long passed. You can either cut your losses now, or you can make the problem infinitely worse by giving him the deal he wants.

 

[LeafChief]

Looking at the Florida fans reactions to acquiring Tkachuk at the time (under the Panthers Twitter post confirming the trade) is fascinating. They hated it. Calgary fans were over the moon.

It just goes to show how stupid fans are (myself included).

We have people on this website stating their opinions on what needs to happen as if it is fact. It's truly incredible. Discussion is great but people that are dismissive of the opinions that they don't agree with are just absolute fools.

 

[trellaine201]

Is there a website that has salary projections for the upcoming free agents? How much is Montour projected to make?

 

[ULF_55]

yeah, it's not fair to put it all on McDavid. It also hard to not be disappointed. He is the best offensive player in the world and you just listed four guys that have the same or more points as him in this series.

Yep, have said this abou the Leafs, if there is no threat from the supporting cast you only have to focus on the top players.

That let's the other team's depth players freelance without worry about being scored on. No scoring from the bottom 6, no reason to play defensively.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Looking at the Florida fans reactions to acquiring Tkachuk at the time (under the Panthers Twitter post confirming the trade) is fascinating. They hated it. Calgary fans were over the moon.

It just goes to show how stupid fans are (myself included).

We have people on this website stating their opinions on what needs to happen as if it is fact. It's truly incredible. Discussion is great but people that are dismissive of the opinions that they don't agree with are just absolute fools.

To err is human.

 

[PromisedLand]

saw on the mains that apparently there are teams willing to offer Zadorov 6x6 I really hope it ain't Treliving. That is STUPID unless we are dumping Rielly.

We need a #1D-man that can run our #1PP; I want us to invest in there not Zadorov and quite frankly I've seen enough of Rielly for about a decade to finally accept that Mo isn't a bonafide #1 D-man

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Exactly.

The time to win a Marner trade has long passed. You can either cut your losses now, or you can make the problem infinitely worse by giving him the deal he wants.

Yea I don't know why people believe it's better for this team to let Marner walk and not lose a trade versus getting some value back in terms of picks and prospects, but still lose the trade.

Cap space is only of value if the man behind it can spend it wisely, and so far that remains to be seen.

 

[ULF_55]

saw on the mains that apparently there are teams willing to offer Zadorov 6x6 I really hope it ain't Treliving. That is STUPID unless we are dumping Rielly.

We need a #1D-man that can run our #1PP; I want us to invest in there not Zadorov and quite frankly I've seen enough of Rielly for about a decade to finally accept that Mo isn't a bonafide #1 D-man

But you knew Rielly wasn't a bonafide #1 right?

Was it emotional attachment, wishful thinking, or just giving a free pass?

Nothing wrong with a non-bonafide #1 with shortcomings if he is supported with a partner to cover up those shortcomings.

Yea I don't know why people believe it's better for this team to let Marner walk and not lose a trade versus getting some value back in terms of picks and prospects, but still lose the trade.

Cap space is only of value if the man behind it can spend it wisely, and so far that remains to be seen.

marner will decide if he wants to waive, sign, or go UFA.

Leafs fans can fantasize whatever they want.

 

[PromisedLand]

If you move Marner for Theodore + Thompson..

- re-sign Domi (assuming the contract demands are reasonable)
- sign Adam Henrique
- sign Matt Roy
- Retain Liljegren, Gregor, Dewar, Robertson
- re-sign Lybushkin

Trade Jarnkrok

Knies-Matthews-Domi
Robertson-Henrique-Nylander
Holmberg-Tavares-McMann
Gregor-Kampf-Dewar
Reaves

Rielly-Roy
Theodore-McCabe
Benoit-Liljegren
Lyubushkin
Timmins

Woll
Thompson
Hildeby

As far as forward go, Henrique is my top priority to address the hole in the top 9 at centre. 20 goals, 40-50 points being good on the draw and PK'ing would fit a big need. It also allows Berube to move Nylander away from Tavares much easier and give him a quality player down the middle

Re-upping Boosh who was quite effective up and down the lineup last playoff run. Can play with Rielly or Theodore, but also play in a depth role.

Roy and Theodore legitimize the blue line, adding more offense which is needed. Theodore has to take PP minutes off of Rielly on the top unit.

I actually expect at least one of (or both) Cowan and Minten to make the opening roster. Gregor can go; and while we are at it Kampf can too

I expect (or hope to see) something like

Domi/XXX-Matthews-Toffoli/Knies/Bertuzzi
McMann-2C-Nylander
Robertson-Tavares-Cowan
Holmberg-Dewar-Reaves/Minten

Rielly XXX
McCabe Benoit
YYY ZZZ

XXX (options): DeMello/Pesce/Boosh/(long-shot) Montour for #1PP
YYY (options): Theodore (if Marner goes there), Bring back Edmundson, or of we get both DeMello and Pesce then Benoit moves there
ZZZ (options): Liljegren (re-signed), Timmins, etc.... depending on cap availability
2C (options): Lindholm (UFA signing); or put Holmberg up there in between McMann and Nylander

Our focus should be IMO
Priority 1: #1G, #1D, #2C (first fill these out and then go for wingers, depth (F, D)
Wingers: (Domi, Bertuzzi, Toffoli, etc...) -> Since I think Cowan and Minten make take these spots with Robertson probably also ready to take fulltime role its less big of a priority.

But you knew Rielly wasn't a bonafide #1 right?

Was it emotional attachment, wishful thinking, or just giving a free pass?

Nothing wrong with a non-bonafide #1 with shortcomings if he is supported with a partner to cover up those shortcomings.

Don't disagree but we need someone to run #1PP. We need a point shot desperately. Our PP is too predictable with only Matthews and Nylander as shooters everyone as passers

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Not sure how I feel about Theodore… too much Barrie PTSD

To me it only makes sense if you're moving Rielly somewhere else. Otherwise you're paying an offensive defenseman 7.5M a year and not giving him the PP time he'd need to give you value on that cap hit. It would be a different story if he were more of a two-way defenseman or if we actually uses two powerplay units consistently.

 

[JKG33]

Tkachuk has 1 assist against the Oilers, and 1 point in his last 5 games.
Verhaeghe has 1 goal against the Oilers, and 1 point in last 5 games.

Barkov has 1 goal 3 assists against the Oilers, and 4 points in last 5 games.
Bennet has 1 goal 2 assists against the Oilers, and 6 points in last 5 games.
Reinhart has 1 goal 2 assists against the Oilers, and 3 points in last 5 games.

Rodrigues has 3 goals 1 assist against the Oilers, and 5 points in last 5 games.

Depth certainly helps, and of course shooting against Skinner versus the Conn Smythe winner.

I remember getting clowned on in here for suggesting Dubas should've paid a 1st for Bennett (for an in division overpayment) instead of wasting picks on I think Foligno was his useless rental that year.

Bennett is such a G

It would be so nice to have 3 goalies you can count on moving forward.
Other teams seem to be able to go the 2nd, 3rd string goalies and still maintain pace.
For a while we’ve run with 1 guy who has question marks and if he struggles it’s a hard battle.

If Jones (or a similar low end backup) would be happy to ride the bench for a season as a 3rd string I'd love to keep one on the roster rather than playing waiver games. Especially if the Thompson trade happens. Or Brossoit signing. Neither one of those plus Woll = 82 games

 

[RomanianLeafs]

Perfect trade Predators must offer Leafs for Mitch Marner

Mitch Marner may be available for a trade, and the Nashville Predators look like a perfect partner for the Leafs.

clutchpoints.com

 

[BertCorbeau]

Perfect trade Predators must offer Leafs for Mitch Marner

Mitch Marner may be available for a trade, and the Nashville Predators look like a perfect partner for the Leafs.

clutchpoints.com

I’m into it

 

[ULF_55]

I’m into it

Is marner into Nashville?

 

[Dog]

I’m into it

Marner for Saros+1st pick(22nd overall) + Kemell!

 

[Dreakmur]

To me it only makes sense if you're moving Rielly somewhere else. Otherwise you're paying an offensive defenseman 7.5M a year and not giving him the PP time he'd need to give you value on that cap hit. It would be a different story if he were more of a two-way defenseman or if we actually uses two powerplay units consistently.

Seems like the obvious choice is to use two PP units, right?

 

[hamzarocks]

If we swap Marner for Theodore and Thompson, are we a better team next year? I think we are.

this is the roster I built on capfriendly voa this marner deal + rielly trade

I would honestly deal Jarnkrok for a pick and then have 5M+ for 1 more piece to add

 

[Dreakmur]

this is the roster I built on capfriendly voa this marner deal + rielly trade

I would honestly deal Jarnkrok for a pick and then have 5M+ for 1 more piece to add
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I think a lot of those UFA D contracts are a bit optimistic.

 

[ULF_55]

marner and Timmins, Leafs 1st. round pick 2026.
for
Boeser and Hronek, Canucks 1st. round pick 2025.

I think this is a better option than letting him walk.

Could do it before July 1st., before Draft Day, and both teams get time to convince re-signings.

Is it value? Leafs go into UFA season with an additional $4mm in capspace on forward, and use Brodie's cap hit for qualifying offer.