GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[MapleLeafs77]

I think marner for theodore + thompson makes a lot of sense. He would be our best defenceman and run our PP.

 

[Brobust]

I'd be more prepared to pay him $10m than I'd be to pay Marner $12m+

I accept that. If that's the case though, they need to have that extension announced at the time of the trade.

 

[Zero1]

But that’s a contradictory idea. On one hand, you want younger pieces for MM trade bc you want to reset the timeline and on the other you prefer signing an older player.

I would much rather they trade for Theodore and sign Marchesaault. Their window is now and not 3 years from now.


Would throw in Kampf or Calle in there to get Wild Bill too.

Maybe it’s the way I phrased it… but I prefer the Leafs to trade Marner for a futures heavy package but go after the difference makers in free agency. There’s enough in free agency to rebuild the blue line.

This way we’ll have cheap talent coming in waves to supplement the roster. Similar to how Dallas has overpaid vets but they’re supplemented by good young players on their ELC so it works.

Another reason for me is that Matthews hasn’t been good enough in the playoffs for this to be a 3-year window where the Leafs have to go all-in.

 

[ToneDog]

Marner for Theodore + would go down in history as one of the worst trades in Leafs history pretty quickly. I don't think that's a good move at all.

Depends on the + and what you do with the extra cap space. Theo + Thompson and $5m in cap space. If you are not paying Marner $12m going forward, that is a good starting point. Hopefully there is another team out there that can outbid Vegas.

 

[4thline]

Maybe it’s the way I phrased it… but I prefer the Leafs to trade Marner for a futures heavy package but go after the difference makers in free agency. There’s enough in free agency to rebuild the blue line.

I kind of agree- a Marner trade *should* be for things we can't go out and buy in UFA, and that would point to futures heavy... but doesn't have to be.

Cap is a factor. Age is a factor. We're not getting a 27 year old goalie of Thompson's calibre. at 800k in UFA. We're not getting a D man of Shea Theodore's calibre for 5.2. It's not just that we're filling the spots, but we'd be filling them cheaply for one year, effectively using Marner's value to buy 5-6million in cap space. Ideally it would be for more than 1 year, but it's something.

 

[JKG33]

Maybe it’s the way I phrased it… but I prefer the Leafs to trade Marner for a futures heavy package but go after the difference makers in free agency. There’s enough in free agency to rebuild the blue line.

This way we’ll have cheap talent coming in waves to supplement the roster. Similar to how Dallas has overpaid vets but they’re supplemented by good young players on their ELC so it works.

Another reason for me is that Matthews hasn’t been good enough in the playoffs for this to be a 3-year window where the Leafs have to go all-in.

Excellent post, I agree with pretty much all of it.

This team will obviously be competitive for 2nd place in the division as long as Matthews and Nylander are around. But they'll also never win anything in the playoffs with those two as the lead horses.

I'd love to see Marner go to Buffalo 1 for 1 for their 1st. Then package both 1sts to try to move up into the top 6ish to draft Iginla. Or keep both 1sts and continue a soft rebuild to add to Cowan who looks like a great pick.

Then as you said, spend the cap space on July 1.

Marner for Theodore + would go down in history as one of the worst trades in Leafs history pretty quickly. I don't think that's a good move at all.

Marner for a top pairing D man like Theodore would be a massive win for the Leafs

 

[The Masters]

is Hague untouchable from Vegas?

 

[Tony Romo]

is Hague untouchable from Vegas?

If I had to guess, close to it. RFA after this year, so they should be able to get him lower than Theodore.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I'd be more prepared to pay him $10m than I'd be to pay Marner $12m+

I'd pay Marner $12M




(That is, a $12M total sum over 8 years)

 

[supermann_98]

Marner for Theodore + would go down in history as one of the worst trades in Leafs history pretty quickly. I don't think that's a good move at all.

Not sure how trading a warm-butter soft winger who's a playoff choker for a top pairing 6'3 Dman who's recently won a cup and who averages 50+ points a bad trade, especially if the + is a solid young goalie with size, pedigree, and good stats

 

[Fogelhund]

Marner for a top pairing D man like Theodore would be a massive win for the Leafs

Marner for a top pairing D man, like Theodore WAS, would be a massive win for the Leafs. His defensive game is starting to deteriorate. He is completely non-physical. Do we need another defensively questionable, non-physical D man? I get what he's good at. He's like adding another Rielly.. I don't think that's what we need, we need more balance in this. There are D men available in Free Agency, that would be better fits for what we need.

 

[supermann_98]

I'd pay Marner $12M




(That is, a $12M total sum over 8 years)

I guess you like 1st round playoff exits?

NVM, I missed the total sum part

 

[Tony Romo]

I think I'd try getting Roy from them but Roy + Theodore for Marner is probably a dream.

 

[Gabriel426]

Maybe it’s the way I phrased it… but I prefer the Leafs to trade Marner for a futures heavy package but go after the difference makers in free agency. There’s enough in free agency to rebuild the blue line.

This way we’ll have cheap talent coming in waves to supplement the roster. Similar to how Dallas has overpaid vets but they’re supplemented by good young players on their ELC so it works.

Another reason for me is that Matthews hasn’t been good enough in the playoffs for this to be a 3-year window where the Leafs have to go all-in.

I agree with that completely.

From the start, I wasn't keen on the idea of trading MM for pure futures as thats a huge risk in terms of drafting and developing. But when I look at the UFA class this year. I changed my mind as there are many good UFAs that would work well with AM and Willie.

 

[Fogelhund]

Not sure how trading a warm-butter soft winger who's a playoff choker for a top pairing 6'3 Dman who's recently won a cup and who averages 50+ points a bad trade, especially if the + is a solid young goalie with size, pedigree, and good stats

For butter soft D man, who is completely non-physical, and has a deteriorating defensive game.

Maybe it’s the way I phrased it… but I prefer the Leafs to trade Marner for a futures heavy package but go after the difference makers in free agency. There’s enough in free agency to rebuild the blue line.

This way we’ll have cheap talent coming in waves to supplement the roster. Similar to how Dallas has overpaid vets but they’re supplemented by good young players on their ELC so it works.

Another reason for me is that Matthews hasn’t been good enough in the playoffs for this to be a 3-year window where the Leafs have to go all-in.

Agreed completely. Adding in a young C, or top picks to get C or D, where we have control (and cost control) for years, and then getting the right pieces available in free agency are the way to go.

 

[ULF_55]

Why wouldn't he be taking a paycut? He's playing 3 minutes less a night, with no offense and his footspeed is gone.

He's more likely to go to a team with a top 6 spot available I suppose, but he won't be making $4M to play it.

Perhaps you're right, but there really isn't a huge supply of defenders available.

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He isn't signing 7th. defender money.

 

[TMLAM34]

Theodore and Thompson is a great building block for a Marner deal. I would probably pull the trigger on it worst case but it would be nice if we could add Liljegren on our end and Roy from Vegas’ end.

 

[Americanadian]

Ok, so Utah and Vegas get the stars and Toronto gets a bunch of 3rd liners and at best a future 2nd pair defenceman in Korczak? I really want to take you seriously but honestly half your trades comes off as if you're trolling.

Yes - I want the Leafs to build long term depth which they accomplish in the deal I proposed. They don’t need more stars. They need depth.

I’m not looking for your approval.

 

[ULF_55]

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[JKG33]

Marner for a top pairing D man, like Theodore WAS, would be a massive win for the Leafs. His defensive game is starting to deteriorate. He is completely non-physical. Do we need another defensively questionable, non-physical D man? I get what he's good at. He's like adding another Rielly.. I don't think that's what we need, we need more balance in this. There are D men available in Free Agency, that would be better fits for what we need.

This is starting to sound like the same arguments people were using against acquiring/signing Pietrangelo before he went to Vegas. That deteriorating, cup winning, top pairing D-man went on to be a key piece in another cup win.

I agree hard hitting, physical D are a need. But that's where you go get Roy. Put him with Theodore and McCabe with Rielly. Two balanced pairings, Benoit also fits that mold on the 3rd pair.

Another Rielly, possibly even better, is very much a need. Especially if he takes over PP1

 

[rumman]

I wouldn't go near Pesce, I have doubts he's going to age well, I'd much rather go after Roy to partner Rielly

Then if you have Theodore I think you can partner him with McCabe and save money just needing a 3rd pair type

Then you have enough money to go shopping for a center

Luckily Pesce being a American won’t come to Canada……..

Nic Roy would be a sweet addition.

Agreed…….

 

[MapleLeafs77]

If you get theodore and thompson + 5 mill cap space and use that for roy/pesce/zadorov/tanev. How is that not a win?

 

[nuck]

Excellent post, I agree with pretty much all of it.

This team will obviously be competitive for 2nd place in the division as long as Matthews and Nylander are around. But they'll also never win anything in the playoffs with those two as the lead horses.

I'd love to see Marner go to Buffalo 1 for 1 for their 1st. Then package both 1sts to try to move up into the top 6ish to draft Iginla. Or keep both 1sts and continue a soft rebuild to add to Cowan who looks like a great pick.

Then as you said, spend the cap space on July 1.


Marner for a top pairing D man like Theodore would be a massive win for the Leafs

Iginla is not his dad. Another dangling winger with no physical game to replace a dangling winger with no physical game. Sure he may become a star in the NHL but the Leafs have had no issue finding star wingers and the best prospect in their system is a winger. Now Lindstrom has some power in his game and at least some chance to be a center in the NHL. Or how about Zdeno Silayev How often does that package come around?

I am actually not that interested in getting into the top 10. The cost is too high for a player that won't be a factor until the last couple years of Papi's deal. 11-15 Yakemchuk, Luchenko, Greentree.

 

[JKG33]

Iginla is not his dad. Another dangling winger with no physical game to replace a dangling winger with no physical game. Sure he may become a star in the NHL but the Leafs have had no issue finding star wingers and the best prospect in their system is a winger. Now Lindstrom has some power in his game and at least some chance to be a center in the NHL. Or how about Zdeno Silayev How often does that package come around?

I am actually not that interested in getting into the top 10. The cost is too high for a player that won't be a factor until the last couple years of Papi's deal. 11-15 Yakemchuk, Luchenko, Greentree.

From everything I've seen and heard, Iginla shows the same heart and leadership as his dad which is just as important. Someone like Guentzel isn't a physical player either yet he does ok in the playoffs.

There's a lot of talent in the top half of this draft so I'm not too hung up on any one player, but I do think Iginla ends up as the 2nd best player from the draft

 

[Brobust]

Yes - I want the Leafs to build long term depth which they accomplish in the deal I proposed. They don’t need more stars. They need depth.

I’m not looking for your approval.

Bottom of the lineup depth is not difficult to find. Issue is Toronto has the targeted the wrong players.

Please show me examples of teams trading their stars for mid players and it working out. Just a dogshit idea.