GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Dreakmur]

Leon, MacK, Kuch, Rantenen, Makar, Point.

Who's carrying who when you list multiple guys from each team?

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I'd rather watch a team play dump and chase like the Blackhawks used to play than watch the regular season Ice Capades disappear once again come April. but that;s just me...........

No. It's not just you.

There is no such thing as a boring playoff win. A win is a win.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The Leafs D did well in their own zone this playoffs, but were a complete non-factor beyond their own blue line. Couldn't move the puck, make a pass or take a shot on net to save their lives..

Tres going to need to grab some two-way guys this summer. Can't have a team where 40% of the guys on the ice at any given moment aren't offensive at all. Having guys being able to handle the puck into he backend should also be a big boost tos social teams too

Any targets? I feel like Ghost is the smart buy, he's likely going to cost 1.5-2.5M less than Montour and won't get the term, he's less physical though.

 

[ToneDog]

In fairness to the Marner fanboys, Tkachuk has some playoff failures in his past too.

The difference is that Florida Tkachuk is a very valuable playoff player, easily more so than Marner has ever been.

One is a lion while the other is a lamb. We need lions.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

One is a lion while the other is a lamb. We need lions.

Tkachuk had a really bad playoffs against the Oilers a few years back.

He's a very different player today. He's a scumbag, and I mean that in a positive sense because no team wins without trash humans like that. Nice guys don't win and winning is paramount.

 

[ToneDog]

Tkachuk had a really bad playoffs against the Oilers a few years back.

He's a very different player today. He's a scumbag, and I mean that in a positive sense because no team wins without trash humans like that. Nice guys don't win and winning is paramount.

He's 100% all scumbag. Lost a bit of respect for him when he punched Pasta in the mouth while he was down.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

He's 100% all scumbag. Lost a bit of respect for him when he punched Pasta in the mouth while he was down.

Exactly what I mean. Total disrespectful trash human...and that's what it takes in the playoffs. You need vile, despicable humans willing to bend any and all rules at any time for any reason.

Darcy Tucker understood this, for example. Not the same player but you get what I mean.

 

[Peasy]

Exactly what I mean. Total disrespectful trash human...and that's what it takes in the playoffs. You need vile, despicable humans willing to bend any and all rules at any time for any reason.

Darcy Tucker understood this, for example. Not the same player but you get what I mean.

We're being led by Captain Charmin Soft

 

[ToneDog]

Exactly what I mean. Total disrespectful trash human...and that's what it takes in the playoffs. You need vile, despicable humans willing to bend any and all rules at any time for any reason.

Darcy Tucker understood this, for example. Not the same player but you get what I mean.

MT hates losing more than he likes winning. If only that was the case for one, just one of our core.

 

[Kiwi]

Any targets? I feel like Ghost is the smart buy, he's likely going to cost 1.5-2.5M less than Montour and won't get the term, he's less physical though.

You can't trust him defensively, you would want a very good defensive player to partner him with

Like MO on steroids

 

[WTFMAN99]

You can't trust him defensively, you would want a very good defensive player to partner him with

Like MO on steroids

He played his off side quite a bit on Philly, I was thinking 3rd pair Benoit-Ghost

 

[thusk]

In fairness to the Marner fanboys, Tkachuk has some playoff failures in his past too.

The difference is that Florida Tkachuk is a very valuable playoff player, easily more so than Marner has ever been.

Tkachuk during their time in calgary was not particurlaly good in playoff but when he been traded under Maurice, Florida started to play a very agressive style of game who benefir him. Same story with Bennett

But the reality exemple Tkachuk in Toronto under keefe system, sorry i dont think he would be better than his time in Calgary. Leafs system under keefe was a kind of trap with minimum on forechecking.

Right now a new coach with a more agressive style closer of Babcock system ( where for me Marner had been at his best).

Under Babcock .25 goal / gm ans 0.85 pts/game

Under keefe, 6 goal in 37 and 0.89 pts/game

at the end maybe the best thing to do is doing nothing amd i know everyone want to see him gone but for me he the #1 guy who will benefit of Berube

 

[Kiwi]

He played his off side quite a bit on Philly, I was thinking 3rd pair Benoit-Ghost

I really liked Benoit and McCabe, I'm not sure I'd separate them

Edmundson wouldn't be a bad partner for him but 30 with back problems, no thanks

 

[WTFMAN99]

I really liked Benoit and McCabe, I'm not sure I'd separate them

Edmundson wouldn't be a bad partner for him but 30 with back problems, no thanks

I liked Edmundson and if he was right handed, I might be more inclined to keep him.

I think you can always fall back on Benoit-McCabe if you had to but as of this exact moment, I am penciling in the D as....

Rielly-X
McCabe-X
Benoit-X
X

I think Liljegren, Brodie and Lybushkin are all unlikely to return.

If you got someone like Skjei, I wouldn't mind McCabe playing RD with him.

 

[Evilhomer]

Exactly what I mean. Total disrespectful trash human...and that's what it takes in the playoffs. You need vile, despicable humans willing to bend any and all rules at any time for any reason.

Darcy Tucker understood this, for example. Not the same player but you get what I mean.

I think a team just needs its best players to be better than the other team's best players. That's how Dallas plays right now, and it's how Vegas, Colorado and Tampa have won in recent years.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think a team just needs its best players to be better than the other team's best players. That's how Dallas plays right now, and it's how Vegas, Colorado and Tampa have won in recent years.

Florida playing pretty dirty out there, NYR not exactly clean either.

 

[rumman]

No. It's not just you.

There is no such thing as a boring playoff win. A win is a win.

Regular season too, old time hockey was never boring if you appreciate hard edged hockey……….

 

[Magic Man]

Rielly - XXX
McCabe - XXX
Benoit - Liljegren
ex. Timmins

Woll
XXX
ex. Hildeby

On paper this is what we are going into the summer with on the back end. They need two top-4 RHD and a good goalie to play in a tandem with Woll. They will probably bring in a couple young defenseman to compete with Timmins for a spot in pre-season, like Benoit and Lagesson did this season. McCabe can shift to the right if one of the top-4 defenseman were a left hander. They shouldn't need a guy like Jones this season, a new #3 goalie would just block Hildeby and Akhtyamov, both are ready for NHL minutes as a call up option. They need a new #2 and #3 defenseman to push everyone back into their proper roles.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I thought the Leafs matched if not exceeded Boston in terms of physical play. Domi and Bertuzzi went at Marchand and were generally unpleasant to play against, fourth line when it had Dewar and Reaves going was a forechecking terror, the defence laid punishing hits, and the Leafs overall engaged in scrums and chirping. It was a complete contrast of the '18 and '19 series against the Bruins where only Kadri seemed to give a shit.

The biggest problem as usual was an inability to score and unclutch goaltending. Some of that lack of offence comes down to softness like Mitch's unwillingness to drive the net, but most of it was having a defence that had no offensive capabilities whatsoever and Matthews and Nylander each missing games. And Samsonov was not the same goalie as we saw against Tampa, he allowed at least two backbreakers, the Frederic goal in game 3 and the Lindholm goal in game 7.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I think a team just needs its best players to be better than the other team's best players. That's how Dallas plays right now, and it's how Vegas, Colorado and Tampa have won in recent years.

This is pretty fair, though i don't entirely agree. However, the team still needs players with an edge, and everyone in the lineup needs to be willing to go through every wall at all times if that's what it takes.

EDIT: I HATE THIS STUPID PHONE AND ITS AUTOCORRECT FROM HELL

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I thought the Leafs matched if not exceeded Boston in terms of physical play. Domi and Bertuzzi went at Marchand and were generally unpleasant to play against, fourth line when it had Dewar and Reaves going was a forechecking terror, the defence laid punishing hits, and the Leafs overall engaged in scrums and chirping. It was a complete contrast of the '18 and '19 series against the Bruins where only Kadri seemed to give a shit.

The biggest problem as usual was an inability to score and unclutch goaltending. Some of that lack of offence comes down to softness like Mitch's unwillingness to drive the net, but most of it was having a defence that had no offensive capabilities whatsoever and Matthews and Nylander each missing games. And Samsonov was not the same goalie as we saw against Tampa, he allowed at least two backbreakers, the Frederic goal in game 3 and the Lindholm goal in game 7.

No I don't think the Leafs did a bad job physically against the Bruins either, except for a certain few which will remain unnamed.

But like you said, you need to be physical in addition to being able to score. We didn't do that. You don't score, you don't win.

 

[ToneDog]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I thought the Leafs matched if not exceeded Boston in terms of physical play. Domi and Bertuzzi went at Marchand and were generally unpleasant to play against, fourth line when it had Dewar and Reaves going was a forechecking terror, the defence laid punishing hits, and the Leafs overall engaged in scrums and chirping. It was a complete contrast of the '18 and '19 series against the Bruins where only Kadri seemed to give a shit.

The biggest problem as usual was an inability to score and unclutch goaltending. Some of that lack of offence comes down to softness like Mitch's unwillingness to drive the net, but most of it was having a defence that had no offensive capabilities whatsoever and Matthews and Nylander each missing games. And Samsonov was not the same goalie as we saw against Tampa, he allowed at least two backbreakers, the Frederic goal in game 3 and the Lindholm goal in game 7.

You cannot invest half your cap on 4 forwards who have scored 3 goals once in the last 2+ series and blame your goalie. Sorry, as always it is on the 4 clowns and Tre pretty much said it when he said they make other goalies look like Vezina trophy winners.

 

[thusk]

You cannot invest half your cap on 4 forwards who have scored 3 goals once in the last 2+ series and blame your goalie. Sorry, as always it is on the 4 clowns and Tre pretty much said it when he said they make other goalies look like Vezina trophy winners.

Did the keefe system by playing the trap in neutral zone help to create offensive opportunities in playoff?

By exemple leafs scored 2 goal with forechecking.


first was a lucky bounce on matthews skate and puck came back on the slot

the 2nd Carlo just felt on the ice and gave up the puck free right to matthews on nylander goal gm 7....

that's it. Florida just by their forechecking and agressive play by forcing boston player to make quick play in their own zone and made them missed. they scored 8 goal resulting of their forechecking.

When you just wait and playing trap in neutral zone, you don't forcing mistake and its why its always looking harder for leafs in transition whatever who they are playing.

 

[ToneDog]

Did the keefe system by playing the trap in neutral zone help to create offensive opportunities in playoff?

By exemple leafs scored 2 goal with forechecking.


first was a lucky bounce on matthews skate and puck came back on the slot

the 2nd Carlo just felt on the ice and gave up the puck free right to matthews on nylander goal gm 7....

that's it. Florida just by their forechecking and agressive play by forcing boston player to make quick play in their own zone and made them missed. they scored 8 goal resulting of their forechecking.

When you just wait and playing trap in neutral zone, you don't forcing mistake and its why its always looking harder for leafs in transition whatever who they are playing.

So you think Marner and Nyander are going to forecheck under Berube? Wake me up when that happens.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Did the keefe system by playing the trap in neutral zone help to create offensive opportunities in playoff?

By exemple leafs scored 2 goal with forechecking.


first was a lucky bounce on matthews skate and puck came back on the slot

the 2nd Carlo just felt on the ice and gave up the puck free right to matthews on nylander goal gm 7....

that's it. Florida just by their forechecking and agressive play by forcing boston player to make quick play in their own zone and made them missed. they scored 8 goal resulting of their forechecking.

When you just wait and playing trap in neutral zone, you don't forcing mistake and its why its always looking harder for leafs in transition whatever who they are playing.

In the post-rebuild era, the Leafs didn't win in the playoffs under Babcock either, with a myriad assortment of complementary parts over the years between the two coaches. Keefe and Babs did not have identical systems.

Guess what all those teams had in common? Matthews, Marner and Nylander. What did all but two of those teams have in common? John Tavares.