GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[mydnyte]

well, other than McJesus who does?

why are the rangers up on Fla, Shesterkin ...why are the Oil down to Dallas, Skinner.
a true 'elite' goalie can win you series when you are outplayed
this is why i'm NOT on the Soros bandwagon for example, great numbers but cant steal his team a win, and same with Helly ...great regular season, and blaw in the playoffs, and Sorokin, holy moly, with the defense he has in front of him, no idea how he plays so bad in playoffs.
now, is it that single players fault, or is a coach partly to blame for a poor game plan in the playoffs.
some coaches dont change for playoffs, and some change too much. same as some players can pick up the pace, and others cant.
now, Marner was world class during the memorial cup, but, not as big a factor in the NHL playoffs, and the reason is simple, in the minors, everything gets called, and in the NHL, only certain teams/players get calls and the skilled players are allowed to be abused.
Why the refereeing changes for the playoffs, has bothered me forever.
a penalty in pre-season should be a penalty in game 7 of the SCF with 3 mins to play in a tie game.

Referees control the games more than coaches in the playoffs.

 

[rumman]

Leon, MacK, Kuch, Rantenen, Makar, Point.

pretty easy to carry the team when you quote 3 guys from the Av's carrying the team, ditto for two guys from the Bolts doing the same. You'd think that one of 34, 16, 88, 91 could do likewise, but you'd be wrong...........

why are the rangers up on Fla, Shesterkin ...why are the Oil down to Dallas, Skinner.
a true 'elite' goalie can win you series when you are outplayed
this is why i'm NOT on the Soros bandwagon for example, great numbers but cant steal his team a win, and same with Helly ...great regular season, and blaw in the playoffs, and Sorokin, holy moly, with the defense he has in front of him, no idea how he plays so bad in playoffs.
now, is it that single players fault, or is a coach partly to blame for a poor game plan in the playoffs.
some coaches dont change for playoffs, and some change too much. same as some players can pick up the pace, and others cant.
now, Marner was world class during the memorial cup, but, not as big a factor in the NHL playoffs, and the reason is simple, in the minors, everything gets called, and in the NHL, only certain teams/players get calls and the skilled players are allowed to be abused.
Why the refereeing changes for the playoffs, has bothered me forever.
a penalty in pre-season should be a penalty in game 7 of the SCF with 3 mins to play in a tie game.

Referees control the games more than coaches in the playoffs.

ah, so you buy into the conspiracy that the league has it in for the Leafs, bravo...........

 

[Trapper]

I'd rather watch a team play dump and chase like the Blackhawks used to play than watch the regular season Ice Capades disappear once again come April. but that;s just me...........

In Edmonton they are paying a center 12 million to pass to Hyman and dominate as an individual.
Here people want an 11 million dollar playmaker to pass to Matthews.
Marner should be dominant on his own and passing to Domi/Knies making them better scorers.

 

[mydnyte]

I'd rather watch a team play dump and chase like the Blackhawks used to play than watch the regular season Ice Capades disappear once again come April. but that;s just me...........

Florida is a dump and chase team, and not many others, but, they werent before, they used to be run and gun.
Maurice changed his teams play style and tightened up their defense and made them a heavy forcheck team, and it worked.

Leafs, TB, Vancouver, Col, etc are all zone entry off the rush teams, and all out of the playoffs
Teams just line up at the blueline and attack the puck carrier, so, rush teams are struggling because they keep trying to do the exact same thing that isnt working... the reason the Leafs PP went to trash, bad entry and no setup time.

 

[rumman]

In Edmonton they are paying a center 12 million to pass to Hyman and dominate as an individual.
Here people want an 11 million dollar playmaker to pass to Matthews.
Marner should be dominant on his own and passing to Domi/Knies making them better scorers.

the whole dynamic of the entitled core first and then the rest of the team a distant second isn't going away until that core group is disbanded, at least half has to go to see if the remainder can adjust to being part of one team not a us and them team imo..........

 

[mydnyte]

pretty easy to carry the team when you quote 3 guys from the Av's carrying the team, ditto for two guys from the Bolts doing the same. You'd think that one of 34, 16, 88, 91 could do likewise, but you'd be wrong...........


ah, so you buy into the conspiracy that the league has it in for the Leafs, bravo...........

how in the world was that your conclusion from what i just said??
I'm watching McD get barely touched and its a penalty every time, then watch a Dallas player get mugged and no call.
bad refereeing is universal, and refs have their favorites that always get calls, and those who never get calls.

now i'll make it a Leafs conspiracy to make your point valid, and i dare you to suggest otherwise, because Matthews never gets penalties called against him in relation to other top players like Mcd, or MacK, and he is always abused/hacked/mugged on the ice any time he is in the o-zone.

 

[Fogelhund]

Marner should be dominant on his own and passing to Domi/Knies making them better scorers.

Funny... I looked up xGF%, with and without a player on Natural Stat trick, for last regular season 5v5.

Matthews, Nylander, Tavares were all better without Marner.

Domi, Knies were better with Marner.

It doesn't mean much.. it's just... interesting.

 

[rumman]

how in the world was that your conclusion from what i just said??
I'm watching McD get barely touched and its a penalty every time, then watch a Dallas player get mugged and no call.
bad refereeing is universal, and refs have their favorites that always get calls, and those who never get calls.

now i'll make it a Leafs conspiracy to make your point valid, and i dare you to suggest otherwise, because Matthews never gets penalties called against him in relation to other top players like Mcd, or MacK, and he is always abused/hacked/mugged on the ice any time he is in the o-zone.

my take is bad calls are universal and it all evens out in the long run. It's well known that the whistles are put away the deeper it goes into the playoffs so why build a team that can't take the physical game nor dish it out...........

Funny... I looked up xGF%, with and without a player on Natural Stat trick, for last regular season 5v5.

Matthews, Nylander, Tavares were all better without Marner.

Domi, Knies were better with Marner.

It doesn't mean much.. it's just... interesting.

the whole team will be better without Marner once he's moved..........

 

[weems]

Florida is a dump and chase team, and not many others, but, they werent before, they used to be run and gun.
Maurice changed his teams play style and tightened up their defense and made them a heavy forcheck team, and it worked.

Leafs, TB, Vancouver, Col, etc are all zone entry off the rush teams, and all out of the playoffs
Teams just line up at the blueline and attack the puck carrier, so, rush teams are struggling because they keep trying to do the exact same thing that isnt working... the reason the Leafs PP went to trash, bad entry and no setup time.

We actually weren't a zone entry off the rush type team these playoffs though.

We dumped it in far more than years past.

Mike Kelly breaks it down nicely how we played quite differently these playoffs than previous years.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1786475443882791067

 

[WTFMAN99]

We actually weren't a zone entry off the rush type team these playoffs though.

We dumped it in far more than years past.

Mike Kelly breaks it down nicely how we played quite differently these playoffs than years previously.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1786475443882791067

I actually thought we were solid defensively in the playoffs and we were more physical than the Bruins.

These factors are the reason we lost;

1. PP/PK - poor special teams all around
2. Untimely goals against - Samsonov was pretty bad overall
3. Lack of offense, 2 goals per game on average, you won't win many games like that, I put the blame on the highest paid players.

 

[mydnyte]

We actually weren't a zone entry off the rush type team these playoffs though.

We dumped it in far more than years past.

Mike Kelly breaks it down nicely how we played quite differently these playoffs than years previously.

However, on every PP, they didnt dump it in once, and the PP failures cost them the series. Now, i'm back to poor coaching.
Didnt Savard actually comment about that exact issue that he saw with the Leafs vs Boston (before the speculation he was coming here)

 

[weems]

However, on every PP, they didnt dump it in once, and the PP failures cost them the series. Now, i'm back to poor coaching.
Didnt Savard actually comment about that exact issue that he saw with the Leafs vs Boston (before the speculation he was coming here)

Yes, I would agree our zone entries on the PP were a big issue.

 

[Torontonian]

I actually thought we were solid defensively in the playoffs and we were more physical than the Bruins.

These factors are the reason we lost;

1. PP/PK - poor special teams all around
2. Untimely goals against - Samsonov was pretty bad overall
3. Lack of offense, 2 goals per game on average, you won't win many games like that, I put the blame on the highest paid players.

Ottinger: 2.09 GA / 921%
Bob: 2.31GA / .903%
Sehnsterkin: 2.33 GA / .923%
Skinner: 2.76, .885% (if they didn't have LA/VAN first two rounds they would be out by now)
Swayman: 2.15GA / .933%

It's no surprise teams that get the best goaltending are the ones that last the longest in the playoffs. Goal scoring has been a issue, but the piss poor defense and goaltending we put out on the ice year after year is a major issue that gets over looked. It's good knowing that Treliving has put together quality goaltending and defense before.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Ottinger: 2.09 GA / 921%
Bob: 2.31GA / .903%
Sehnsterkin: 2.33 GA / .923%
Skinner: 2.76, .885% (if they didn't have LA/VAN first two rounds they would be out by now)
Swayman: 2.15GA / .933%

It's no surprise teams that get the best goaltending are the ones that last the longest in the playoffs. Goal scoring has been a issue, but the piss poor defense and goaltending we put out on the ice year after year is a major issue that gets over looked. It's good knowing that Treliving has put together quality goaltending and defense before.

Good goaltending generally helps, you do have outliers with a guy like Hill though.

I don't think our defense let us down too much this year but goaltending did...although you kinda wonder how game 7 goes with Woll.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Some people are talking about Chicago as a potential destination for Marner. Playing with Bedard can be quite lucrative for Mitch.

How about:

Marner + Lily + 4th

for

Trevor Moore/Frank Nazar + Lukas Reichel + Taylor Hall + 2nd round pick (34th overall)

Trevor Moore and Frank Nazar are both C's and trending very well. They look like 2C's in the near future (should be on rosters by next year). Similar players. Take who is available.

Reichel had a breakout season last year, but was a bit average this year. A good buy-low option, as most predict he will get better and better. He is a physical and relentless winger.

Taylor Hall is the cap balancing player (6 million). He was good with Boston in 22-23 and the year before. He's only 32 so he can still be useful. His contract is up next year anyway (if he sucks).

Drop Lily if we're overpaying.

 

[aingefan]

Seems like Andy Frost would be the source of that rumour, if it is indeed true.

Good guess.
And nine teams would be boss. Two’s all ya need to get a bidding war going, three would be nice, any more is gravy.

 

[Torontonian]

Good goaltending generally helps, you do have outliers with a guy like Hill though.

I don't think our defense let us down too much this year but goaltending did...although you kinda wonder how game 7 goes with Woll.

When Hill won the cup, he had in 19GP, 2.71 GA and a .909save%. Vegas only need on average 3 goals a game to win every game, Sammy past 2 years here we have needed on average 4 goals a game to win, just can't win needing to score 4 goals a game in the playoffs.

Defence didn't let us down, but they also didn't help generate enough. The major difference from elite teams D like Vegas/FLA/Tampa/Carolina/Colorado/Dallas is they are big on the back end and defend well, but they also help contribute on offence by moving the puck well up, breaking out well etc. Where as Toronto just seems to get big defenders but can't really move the puck at all by skating or passing it like Boosh/Edmonsson/Schenn

 

[aingefan]

This is a solid trade

Three way deal:

To Nash:
Marner (with extension)

To TOR:
Saros
Andersson

To CGY:
Liljergren
Tampa’s 2025 1st
One of Wood/Kemell/l'Heureux/Molendyk

Seems a lil lean on the TO side, but nothing wrong with Andersson in the mix.

 

[WTFMAN99]

When Hill won the cup, he had in 19GP, 2.71 GA and a .909save%. Vegas only need on average 3 goals a game to win every game, Sammy past 2 years here we have needed on average 4 goals a game to win, just can't win needing to score 4 goals a game in the playoffs.

Defence didn't let us down, but they also didn't help generate enough. The major difference from elite teams D like Vegas/FLA/Tampa/Carolina/Colorado/Dallas is they are big on the back end and defend well, but they also help contribute on offence by moving the puck well up, breaking out well etc. Where as Toronto just seems to get big defenders but can't really move the puck at all by skating or passing it like Boosh/Edmonsson/Schenn

Yes - the defense did defend but offensively didn't provide much at all.

That is partly on Tree in his roster construction and also a blackmark on Rielly as our PP QB, less than 5% on the PP is simply unacceptable.

 

[Brobust]

Ottinger: 2.09 GA / 921%
Bob: 2.31GA / .903%
Sehnsterkin: 2.33 GA / .923%
Skinner: 2.76, .885% (if they didn't have LA/VAN first two rounds they would be out by now)
Swayman: 2.15GA / .933%

It's no surprise teams that get the best goaltending are the ones that last the longest in the playoffs. Goal scoring has been a issue, but the piss poor defense and goaltending we put out on the ice year after year is a major issue that gets over looked. It's good knowing that Treliving has put together quality goaltending and defense before.

2 of those guys are not putting up good numbers and a 3rd already got eliminated in the 2nd round.

 

[LeafParade]

Funny... I looked up xGF%, with and without a player on Natural Stat trick, for last regular season 5v5.

Matthews, Nylander, Tavares were all better without Marner.

Domi, Knies were better with Marner.

It doesn't mean much.. it's just... interesting.

Marner becomes fairly predictable when you play him with Matthews.

If you just want someone to feed Matthews, Domi can do that.

Marner should have always been on a separate line which would have forced him to do more. Because come playoffs he was always going to have to do more.

 

[Torontonian]

Yes - the defense did defend but offensively didn't provide much at all.

That is partly on Tree in his roster construction and also a blackmark on Rielly as our PP QB, less than 5% on the PP is simply unacceptable.

This will be the summer Tre actually puts his stamp on the team and constructs it how he wants, by making trades and giving out some $ in FA. Felt like this year was a band-aid year for him as by the time he came in, not enough time to make major decisions that will impact the roster going forward.

2 of those guys are not putting up good numbers and a 3rd already got eliminated in the 2nd round.

Bob is putting up elite GA numbers still, even with a .903% he has less GA then Shen whose putting up a .923% and Swayman being eliminated while putting up elite numbers shows you how putrid Boston offence was.

Skinner is the anomaly, and like I said.. If they didn't face two frauds of a team in round 1/2, Edmonton would have been out by now, and it seems like they will lose the WCF.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Still can't believe Chicago paid a 2nd round pick to upgrade pick 20 to 18 and pick 61 for 57 or whatever it was. We've drafted like 1 player in the 2nd round in 20 years and it was Knies

 

[Martin Skoula]

You need to change it up a bit.

Skill is very important but look at a guy like Dakota Joshua on Vancouver (ironically we gave him away) - he was big and willing to live around the net and was too big to move, he scored goals because of that.

It can't be tic tac toe into the back of the net and look pretty all the time, sometimes it's really ugly/greasy.

What was the last tic tac toe pretty play we scored? We rarely do anything like that let alone all the time, that’s something teams like Colorado do regularly. Grease is all our guys know how to do when they need to push to tie.

 

[Menzinger]

I actually thought we were solid defensively in the playoffs and we were more physical than the Bruins.

These factors are the reason we lost;

1. PP/PK - poor special teams all around
2. Untimely goals against - Samsonov was pretty bad overall
3. Lack of offense, 2 goals per game on average, you won't win many games like that, I put the blame on the highest paid players.

The Leafs D did well in their own zone this playoffs, but were a complete non-factor beyond their own blue line. Couldn't move the puck, make a pass or take a shot on net to save their lives..

Tres going to need to grab some two-way guys this summer. Can't have a team where 40% of the guys on the ice at any given moment aren't offensive at all. Having guys being able to handle the puck into he backend should also be a big boost tos social teams too