Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Stephen]

They never did had counter rush or ever an odd man rush team due to Keefe and Dubas philosophy of possession hockey. Babs's style was more possession in the Ozone and need to get the puck as quick as possible out of the Dzone. I think the secret lies some where in between these two style. One thing I do know is that, in playoffs, odd man rush chances and goals are often the difference between winning and losing a game.
Still don't know why AM rarely scores on 2 on 1 or odd man rushes same with Willie.

AM and MM are often never in sync at speed going through the neutral zone for that odd man look.

 

[Gabriel426]

AM and MM are often never in sync at speed going through the neutral zone for that odd man look.

And that's the problem. Our guys either don't hunt for it or they are sticking with Keefe's plan of possession.

What makes the Avs danger is the fact that they all jump at the chance of odd man rushes.
Vegas create odd man rushes bc their D can take a check and make a pass.

Our Leafs need to play simple direct hockey but our top guys won't bc it is a lot of work.

 

[WTFMAN99]

1. Tavares looks cooked

2. No idea why Knies is in the dog house or if he's injured but okay

3. Samsonov not the reason they lost last night

You cannot make any short term moves with this team in terms of rentals etc, this team's ceiling at the absolute most is to win the 1st round if they get lucky on the draw, if it's Florida in round 1, congrats you extended the season 4-7 games but you're not winning.

 

[Scion]

And that's the problem. Our guys either don't hunt for it or they are sticking with Keefe's plan of possession.

What makes the Avs danger is the fact that they all jump at the chance of odd man rushes.
Vegas create odd man rushes bc their D can take a check and make a pass.

Our Leafs need to play simple direct hockey but our top guys won't bc it is a lot of work.

Part of what makes the Avs so dangerous is that their forwards back up teams with their speed and aggressiveness, and then their defenceman have the speed and puck-transporting ability to threaten in that space. The Leafs defense does not have that same ability.

 

[Scion]

1. Tavares looks cooked

2. No idea why Knies is in the dog house or if he's injured but okay

3. Samsonov not the reason they lost last night

You cannot make any short term moves with this team in terms of rentals etc, this team's ceiling at the absolute most is to win the 1st round if they get lucky on the draw, if it's Florida in round 1, congrats you extended the season 4-7 games but you're not winning.

Tavares has stretches like this every year, he is far from cooked.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Tavares has stretches like this every year, he is far from cooked.

Keefe stated that one guy was game time decision with injury concerns and part of me wonders if that player is Tavares, it's been a rough look lately, looks slower.

This is as of Jan 13th

Since Dec. 1st forwards 5v5 production and rank overall in the NHL.

Matthews - 13 points (21st)
Nylander - 12 points (28th)
Marner - 11 points (37th)
Domi - 11 points (37th)
Tavares - 6 points (162nd)

 

[thewave]

AM and MM are often never in sync at speed going through the neutral zone for that odd man look.

MM throws the puck away under any pressure.

 

[Scion]

Keefe stated that one guy was game time decision with injury concerns and part of me wonders if that player is Tavares, it's been a rough look lately, looks slower.

This is as of Jan 13th

Since Dec. 1st forwards 5v5 production and rank overall in the NHL.

Matthews - 13 points (21st)
Nylander - 12 points (28th)
Marner - 11 points (37th)
Domi - 11 points (37th)
Tavares - 6 points (162nd)

You could be right.

 

[thewave]

Keefe stated that one guy was game time decision with injury concerns and part of me wonders if that player is Tavares, it's been a rough look lately, looks slower.

This is as of Jan 13th

Since Dec. 1st forwards 5v5 production and rank overall in the NHL.

Matthews - 13 points (21st)
Nylander - 12 points (28th)
Marner - 11 points (37th)
Domi - 11 points (37th)
Tavares - 6 points (162nd)

Big kick in the teeth that the Captain of the Leafs didnt get voted in by the fans when the ASG is in Toronto.

 

[Scion]

I haven't said anything about trading him or waiving him. You can't do either without his permission So, what are you on about? I know trading is going to be difficult; that's why we're talking about the idea of buying him out because it may be the only option if you want to change that core now.


But the question isn't disingenuous: what do you do if they get bounced early again?

You look to improve the defense via trade and UFA.

 

[Fogelhund]

Keefe stated that one guy was game time decision with injury concerns and part of me wonders if that player is Tavares, it's been a rough look lately, looks slower.

This is as of Jan 13th

Since Dec. 1st forwards 5v5 production and rank overall in the NHL.

Matthews - 13 points (21st)
Nylander - 12 points (28th)
Marner - 11 points (37th)
Domi - 11 points (37th)
Tavares - 6 points (162nd)

It was McMann.

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[WTFMAN99]

It was McMann.

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Ah okay, Tavares just getting slower, all good lol.

 

[hamzarocks]

Force Tavares to waive his NMC

Tavares at 11M for 1 year

For

Carlson at 7M (1M retention) for 2 years

We extend the term on a aging player signed to a big deal, but we save 4M next year which is the major cap crunch.

In 2026, we can retain on Carlson if he sucks, and deal him somewhere. If hes good (50+ pt #3D) then 7M isnt to bad

 

[Fogelhund]

Force Tavares to waive his NMC

Tavares at 11M for 1 year

For

Carlson at 7M (1M retention) for 2 years

We extend the term on a aging player signed to a big deal, but we save 4M next year which is the major cap crunch.

In 2026, we can retain on Carlson if he sucks, and deal him somewhere. If hes good (50+ pt #3D) then 7M isnt to bad

For sure what we need, is a declining D man, who is a PP#1 guy, not great defensively, and isn't physical.

I mean, other than that's the opposite of what we need... I have no idea what is going on here.

Edit... there is also zero chance Tavares waives... I don't think people pay attention around here at all.

 

[Jozay]

Tavares isnt waiving his NMC. It should be clear by now.

 

[hamzarocks]

For sure what we need, is a declining D man, who is a PP#1 guy, not great defensively, and isn't physical.

I mean, other than that's the opposite of what we need... I have no idea what is going on here.

Edit... there is also zero chance Tavares waives... I don't think people pay attention around here at all.

Tavares is a declining 2C, who isnt great defensively, and isnt physical, who sees his production fall hard come playoffs.

We need a #2 and #3D. Carlson still on pace for 50ish pts on a poor offensive caps team.

Ideally he could be our PP1 QB while playing 21ish mins a night and pair with Lilijgren.

We would improve the dcore steadily. We need a 2nd offensive d-man who can give 50-60 pt production alongside Rielly. Carlson at 7M fits the bill there

Rielly - Xxx (2D - Parayako/Pesce maybe)
Carlson - Lilijgren
McCabe - XXX (Nimela, Benoit, UFA signing).

The team improves there, as long as we plug Nylander to 2C. Let him play center at 11.5M and then we can get wingers to compliment his game (cowan maybe in a year and half moves there too)

Tavares not waiving his NMC is valid. This would be a summer deal though. If leafs falter in R1/R2 again, you strip tavares captaincy, tell him his mins and role will be reduced for his last year, and we wont be offering him a new contract, that could convince him to go to WSH for a year and try to help OV get some goals on the PP

 

[Fogelhund]

Tavares is a declining 2C, who isnt great defensively, and isnt physical, who sees his production fall hard come playoffs.

We need a #2 and #3D. Carlson still on pace for 50ish pts on a poor offensive caps team.

Ideally he could be our PP1 QB while playing 21ish mins a night and pair with Lilijgren.

We would improve the dcore steadily. We need a 2nd offensive d-man who can give 50-60 pt production alongside Rielly. Carlson at 7M fits the bill there

Rielly - Xxx (2D - Parayako/Pesce maybe)
Carlson - Lilijgren
McCabe - XXX (Nimela, Benoit, UFA signing).

The team improves there, as long as we plug Nylander to 2C. Let him play center at 11.5M and then we can get wingers to compliment his game (cowan maybe in a year and half moves there too)

Tavares not waiving his NMC is valid. This would be a summer deal though. If leafs falter in R1/R2 again, you strip tavares captaincy, tell him his mins and role will be reduced for his last year, and we wont be offering him a new contract, that could convince him to go to WSH for a year and try to help OV get some goals on the PP

So your response about obtaining a declining D, is pointing out we have a declining C? I mean... umm.. I thought we wanted to move forward? Not linearly backwards? This doesn't improve the Dcore... at all. no sir. Bad move. Sorry Hamzie.

This is change, for the sake of change, with no thoughts of constructing a proper team. Now the #2 C is who... Domi? Kampf? Like seriously... straight up garbage. Shuffling deck chairs on the titanic... nothing more.

 

[The Management]

Really miss Jake Muzzin.

If I had a time machine, I'd go back four or five years and bring him back with me.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Ah okay, Tavares just getting slower, all good lol.

Quick sand slow

 

[WTFMAN99]

Really miss Jake Muzzin.

If I had a time machine, I'd go back four or five years and bring him back with me.

We needed 1 more Jake Muzzin when we got him but on RD

That 1 off season where we chose to go for Brodie, Thornton, Simmonds etc, if we jettisoned Kerfoot and maybe something else and pushed for Pietrangelo, things could have been wild.

Muzzin-Pietrangelo
Rielly-Holl
Dermott-Bogosian

Even wilder to think we nearly traded Dermott and Johnsson for Weegar

I'd have to really look into the cap implications etc.

 

[TMLAM34]

Ideally Tavares waives his NMC and gets traded, but we all know that won’t happen. We need to accept that Tavares is nothing more than a 3rd line player 5on5 and a PP specialist. He’s fantastic in the circle but his foot speed clearly can’t keep up anymore. I’d look at moving him to the left side while still taking faceoffs on his strong side. When it comes to the core four, this is how I’d look at building around them in the top 9 moving forward.

________ - Matthews - Nylander
________ - ________ - Marner
Tavares - ________ - ________

 

[Scion]

If this upcoming week is going to go the way I feel, I think we start planning the sell off ourselves and what we can get back for some of the unsigned pieces that can help another club. Bertuzzi for a couple of picks, Domi for a pick, Brodie to someone who need a bit of defensive help, like that kind of conversation.

I would love that, but I highly doubt the Leafs go in that direction.

 

[TMLAM34]

Does anyone know if Michael McLeod is a UFA or RFA after this season? I see some places have him listed as an RFA and others as a UFA… I know he didn’t get qualified last off-season but re-signed with New Jersey so if I had to guess, he’d be a UFA this up-coming off-season?

 

[4thline]

Ideally Tavares waives his NMC and gets traded, but we all know that won’t happen. We need to accept that Tavares is nothing more than a 3rd line player 5on5 and a PP specialist. He’s fantastic in the circle but his foot speed clearly can’t keep up anymore. I’d look at moving him to the left side while still taking faceoffs on his strong side.

Where he slots at C vs W are completely different- very different jobs. Very likely that he'd still be a + level 2nd line or even 1st line offensive winger. I'd like to see him moved to LW and Domi slotted between him and Willy.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Does anyone know if Michael McLeod is a UFA or RFA after this season? I see some places have him listed as an RFA and others as a UFA… I know he didn’t get qualified last off-season but re-signed with New Jersey so if I had to guess, he’d be a UFA this up-coming off-season?

I believe he will be RFA, he was UFA in the off-season because the Devils did not qualify him but they re-signed him to a different contract, along with Bastian.