Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[TheMadHatTrick]

Tre likes his defenceman rather large, Clifton is not that

He's not large but he plays very physical, he fights, and more importantly he can skate and pass the puck out of his zone. He's a Matt Dumba type, who Tre tried to sign this past offseason.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

UPL maybe from Buffalo?

 

[MarMarSab3]

Erik Johnson seems to fit. Maybe something around Samsonov and a prospect for Comrie and Johnson?

Comrie is some veteran goalie depth.

Albeit Comrie is not very good

 

[BertCorbeau]

Albeit Comrie is not very good

True, he falls behind Hildeby right now for me .. but running Jones-Woll-Hildeby as your 1, 2, 3 has some risks. Nice to have some experience in the AHL. He's already down there too.

 

[Knies iT]

Are people waking up to the idea of flipping Bertuzzi for a comparable D yet?

Totally different player that what I watched less than 1 year ago. He cannot find a fit in this system. The team that gives him term is getting Clarkson 2.0.

 

[Legion34]

I don’t want us to trade for rentals.
Not good enough.

If we know we can re sign Tanev ok.

I don’t think we have rentals worth anything so we are stuck

 

[stickty111]

We are just delaying what this teams needs, a core shakeup. Hopefully the Nylander extension means they are thinking of moving on from Mitch but doubt it

 

[Buds17]

Are people waking up to the idea of flipping Bertuzzi for a comparable D yet?

Totally different player that what I watched less than 1 year ago. He cannot find a fit in this system. The team that gives him term is getting Clarkson 2.0.

I think the playoffs provide the main reason as to why Bertuzzi was signed to a one-year deal here. Beyond that, which forward replaces Bertuzzi in Toronto's lineup? Which team is directly or otherwise trading away a comparable d-man in exchange? On which pairing can we expect that d-man to play? It might be a tough trade to line up. I do agree that I wouldn't be looking to re-sign him/re-sign him to term as things currently stand.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Erik Johnson, perhaps

This doesn't mean a trade. He probably just scouting the canucks for next week's game.

We are just delaying what this teams needs, a core shakeup. Hopefully the Nylander extension means they are thinking of moving on from Mitch but doubt it

Marner has a full NMC till UFA. Doubt he waives it. We're stuck with him till he leaves as an UFA.

 

[LeafSteel]

Erik Johnson, perhaps

New Boston Pizza location opening in Buffalo?

 

[Knies iT]

I think the playoffs provide the main reason as to why Bertuzzi was signed to a one-year deal here. Beyond that, which forward replaces Bertuzzi in Toronto's lineup? Which team is directly or otherwise trading away a comparable d-man in exchange? On which pairing can we expect that d-man to play? It might be a tough trade to line up. I do agree that I wouldn't be looking to re-sign him/re-sign him to term as things currently stand.

This isn't the Bertuzzi of years' past. He was .76PPG with Boston and instantly clicked in that system post-trade. Whether it's his back injuries that have caught up to him, or just a poor fit, I have very little confidence that his game is going to magically flip a switch come playoffs. Plays are outright dying on his stick and he can't keep up.

I would not be overly concerned with replacing a ~35pt pace impact for 5.5m. Robertson is not a solution there, but for comparisons sake, he's matching Bert's pace for sub 1m without playing with the elite core 4. You could partially address the D (i.e. a #4D) in a lateral move involving Bertuzzi and then later acquire a warm body to replicate what Bertuzzi has brought.

It comes down to what is more important - hanging on to this mythical idea of what Bertuzzi might be in the playoffs (which he's shown none of thus far), or addressing the blueline and making better use of that 5.5m + Klingberg's LTIR money. The alternative is spending a 1st ++ which I don't think we should entertain.

 

[arso40]

This doesn't mean a trade. He probably just scouting the canucks for next week's game.



Marner has a full NMC till UFA. Doubt he waives it. We're stuck with him till he leaves as an UFA.

I feel like he notices the gains Willy made and it’s effect his game he’s trying to do too much he’s a smart player when he doesn’t over think and simplies his game when he needs to somethings way off

This isn't the Bertuzzi of years' past. He was .76PPG with Boston and instantly clicked in that system post-trade. Whether it's his back injuries that have caught up to him, or just a poor fit, I have very little confidence that his game is going to magically flip a switch come playoffs. Plays are outright dying on his stick and he can't keep up.

I would not be overly concerned with replacing a ~35pt pace impact for 5.5m. Robertson is not a solution there, but for comparisons sake, he's matching Bert's pace for sub 1m without playing with the elite core 4. You could partially address the D (i.e. a #4D) in a lateral move involving Bertuzzi and then later acquire a warm body to replicate what Bertuzzi has brought.

It comes down to what is more important - hanging on to this mythical idea of what Bertuzzi might be in the playoffs (which he's shown none of thus far), or addressing the blueline and making better use of that 5.5m + Klingberg's LTIR money. The alternative is spending a 1st ++ which I don't think we should entertain.

Try him with Matthew if that doesn’t work try him with domi then you trade him give holmberg and Robertson the same opportunities we kno holmberg looks good as high as the third line let’s see if he looks good any higher

 

[Kiwi]

Middling is subjective. Elvis has put up very good numbers quite recently, but like with the Jackets, his numbers have come down with them

But, and I'm not sure of this, how many teams in the last 5 years have made the final four of the playoffs with a goalie under a $2-3m cap hit?

Two recent ones were Hill and Binnington, fairly cheap

I'm not paying over 5M for a guy who's had a sv% just over and under .900 the last two seasons

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs prospects 1-2 years away, but perhaps they need to be inserted next year.

What are they about 50% on free agents?

Would it be anyworse with prospects?

 

[Stephen]

Erik Johnson, perhaps

Actually feels like somewhat big news, what with the poor weather getting the Bills playoff game postponed and some kind of urgency to watch Buffalo or Vancouver up close and personal.

 

[Stephen]

Middling is subjective. Elvis has put up very good numbers quite recently, but like with the Jackets, his numbers have come down with them

But, and I'm not sure of this, how many teams in the last 5 years have made the final four of the playoffs with a goalie under a $2-3m cap hit?

If we're going goalie hunting, maybe Markstrom is the right target after all? Just a heavy investment piece. He's up and down sometimes, but can be a Vezina caliber goalie when on.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Two recent ones were Hill and Binnington, fairly cheap

I'm not paying over 5M for a guy who's had a sv% just over and under .900 the last two seasons

You wouldn't be paying 5m for Elvis in my scenario. The s% thing is team-related as well.

 

[Kiwi]

You wouldn't be paying 5m for Elvis in my scenario. The s% thing is team-related as well.

He's going to be decent money still
I'm to uncertain of him to tie myself into him for the next 3 years

 

[Rare Jewel]

If we're going goalie hunting, maybe Markstrom is the right target after all? Just a heavy investment piece. He's up and down sometimes, but can be a Vezina caliber goalie when on.

Possibly, the link with the manager is there.

I'd lean towards Elvis due to the smaller cap hit and the likelihood that CBJ will retain a portion due to him being out of form and more outspoken about moving on. He's 4 years younger FWIW.

His attitude from reading the comments about not wanting to be a backup is something I think this team could do with as well.

 

[Rare Jewel]

He's going to be decent money still
I'm to uncertain of him to tie myself into him for the next 3 years

Sure, but if he was posting around a .920 S% like he was a few years ago, he would be he would quite expensive to acquire.

He's back up to a .907 on a not-great team this season.

To be clear, I'd only do it as well if they take Sam and retain nearly 2m on him.

 

[Kiwi]

Sure, but if he was posting around a .920 S% like he was a few years ago, he would be he would quite expensive to acquire.

He's back up to a .907 on a not-great team this season.

To be clear, I'd only do it as well if they take Sam and retain nearly 2m on him.

He's not, that's why he's available

.907 is fine but I'd want 2M retained and them taking Kampf back before I'd even contemplate it

 

[saffronleaf]

Leafs should find a way to trade Brodie, Gio, and Bertuzzi for future considerations.

Also ask Marner and JT to waive their NMCs and make it public if they refuse

 

[Rare Jewel]

He's not, that's why he's available

.907 is fine but I'd want 2M retained and them taking Kampf back before I'd even contemplate it

Indeed, but Kampf as well? You drive a hard bargain.

Replacing Kampf isn't as simple as one would think.

 

[arso40]

Leafs should find a way to trade Brodie, Gio, and Bertuzzi for future considerations.

Also ask Marner and JT to waive their NMCs and make it public if they refuse

We gotta be a little more cut throat like honestly

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Leafs should find a way to trade Brodie, Gio, and Bertuzzi for future considerations.

Also ask Marner and JT to waive their NMCs and make it public if they refuse

For sure we should have some more foresight.
I don’t think this team has got it. Bert, Domi and Brodie could all fetch stuff at the deadline and are not part of things going forward. Look to grab some players for next year or picks that can be used to grab assets in offseason trades.

I don’t think this is our year and we definitely should not be dumping assets for one or two pieces. We are not that close to competing for a cup.