Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Fogelhund]

If our 1st is moving, I'd like it to be in another McCabe type deal, but this time a RHD partner for Rielly.

1st round pick+
for
Steady physical #4 RHD with multiple years at 3.5 or less, + a solid depth forward (preferably a pker) with an extra year at a low cap number

Larsson is above your dollar value, but perhaps we could get them to retain?

 

[4thline]

Larsson is above your dollar value, but perhaps we could get them to retain?

The wild thing is that McCabe was on a 4m cap hit, and they retained for 2.3 years.

I just can't imagine getting another win like that

 

[Martin Skoula]

Bertuzzi is the type of player we should be supporting the core with. He's expensive at the moment but think of him as a buy low opportunity this offseason, and his current one year overpay a tax to get him into the club for free. He's a perfect fit for the team, is in the process of building chemistry already, and has the upside of a 40 goal season.

If he likes it here and wants to resign 100% keep him and get the price point fair. Build with patience.

He’s a 29 year old grinder with extensive injury issues, bad skating, and a limited skill set. Short term deals in the high 3s to low 4s is all I’d give him, anything long term is a ticking time bomb.

 

[Torontonian]

Age wise and play wise, Hanafin needs to be the target, but you need to able to pay him and resign after. Don't see the point in adding a 34 year Tanev.

Don't see the point in trading a 1st this year unless you're resigning the player to be with you for longer then a year.

Toronto has to many holes to fill right now to be trading for rental players.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Is Chris Tanev the defenceman the Maple Leafs need?

The idea of Toronto adding a defensive, "old school" defenceman like Chris Tanev is nice, but how exactly would his game fit in with and impact the Maple Leafs? Vanessa Kezwer uses video scouting to explore how Tanev could help the Leafs.

www.sportsnet.ca

It's a comprehensive article.

But the most interesting thing was the bit about zone entries, and because of that, I am not sure Tanev alone will be all that much improvement.

 

[Skullz]

Age wise and play wise, Hanafin needs to be the target, but you need to able to pay him and resign after. Don't see the point in adding a 34 year Tanev.

Don't see the point in trading a 1st this year unless you're resigning the player to be with you for longer then a year.

Toronto has to many holes to fill right now to be trading for rental players.

I absolutely agree. Our roster is quite old actually, it is concerning. We need to moving our premium assets for younger, longterm solutions.

 

[LeafEgo]

He’s a 29 year old grinder with extensive injury issues, bad skating, and a limited skill set. Short term deals in the high 3s to low 4s is all I’d give him, anything long term is a ticking time bomb.

Rather than limited skill set I'd say desirable toolbox for the Leafs.

For whatever guessing is worth at the moment that's sounds like fair value but it could change by seasons and playoffs end. Alls I'm saying is if he wants to stay with the team more than he wants to leverage his ufa status to chase an overpay we should be including him in the program going forward.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Thing is Montour has never been that good aside from last year’s breakout!

The year before, 11 goals and 37 pts in 81GP isn't bad

He's playing at a 27 pt/pace right now but not sure if it picks up.

I'd definitely prefer Forsling to Montour though.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Rather than limited skill set I'd say desirable toolbox for the Leafs.

For whatever guessing is worth at the moment that's sounds like fair value but it could change by seasons and playoffs end. Alls I'm saying is if he wants to stay with the team more than he wants to leverage his ufa status to chase an overpay we should be including him in the program going forward.

I get it he fills the net front niche well and is kind of good on the wall but that’s about all he’s good for. If Tavares slows down and Nylander prices himself out, Bert isn’t capable of carrying the puck in, he’s not a shooting threat from distance, and he’s not much of a playmaker unless it’s a foot away from the net.

Basically his value depends on us having someone who can do all the actual work in getting the puck from our zone to the front of the net so Bertuzzi can do his thing, those guys need to get paid first and then whatever is leftover after can go to Bert but never the other way around.

 

[Gallagbi]

Domi and Bertuzzi

Combined:
64 games
8 goals

CapHit: $8.5mm

How much worse could it be?

Is this a true reflection of the players, or is it something else?

This feels pretty close to Domi's usual numbers, especially when he's not on a bottom feeder getting fed prime minutes. Maybe a goal or two off the usual pace for the Dallas, Carolina, Jackets days that were somewhat competitive teams.

Bert had 8 goals in 50 games last year, 6 in 32 this year. It's not the 30 goal guy any of us wanted, but does seem in line with play last year.

 

[ULF_55]

This feels pretty close to Domi's usual numbers, especially when he's not on a bottom feeder getting fed prime minutes. Maybe a goal or two off the usual pace for the Dallas, Carolina, Jackets days that were somewhat competitive teams.

Bert had 8 goals in 50 games last year, 6 in 32 this year. It's not the 30 goal guy any of us wanted, but does seem in line with play last year.

So poor decisions from the get-go.

 

[Dreakmur]

Man, DeMelo's been my guy for so long. Seems like he's cut from that old school two way Giordano cloth. Small and compact, RHD.

I told him to sign in Toronto when he was a UFA last time, but he didn't listen

 

[Gallagbi]

So poor decisions from the get-go.

Domi seems fine for 3M. Bert's been a big disappointment

 

[Rare Jewel]

On another front.:

Has there been any news or reports on euro or NCAA FA's yet? Does anyone here have anyone they're keen on?

 

[arso40]

We should try and trade for Hanifin if we can extend him. That gives us three long-term pillars on the backend, Rielly, Lily, and Hanifin.

How close would a package of 1st round pick, Nick Robertson, and Conor Timmins get us?

Why wouldn’t that work you get a top 9f I think he’s still got top 6 potential you get a top 6 dman with potential and a first rounder sounds like a haul to me

 

[Menzinger]

I don't think there's a $3 million difference between Bertuzzi and Jarnkrok.

I actually like Bertuzzi but the guys currently on pace for 15 goals/36 points and he can't drive play. At best that next contract needs to start with a 3. Maybe he'd be open to something with that aav on a 7-8 years worth of term, but who knows

I don't really see the point of trading him mid season though. The team needs him in the top 9.

 

[Stephen]

I actually like Bertuzzi but the guys currently on pace for 15 goals/36 points and he can't drive play. At best that next contract needs to start with a 3. Maybe he'd be open to something with that aav on a 7-8 years worth of term, but who knows

I don't really see the point of trading him mid season though. The team needs him in the top 9.

I appreciate Bertuzzi's annoyingness and motor to disrupt out there and seems to have untapped garbage goal potential... but he's not exactly a $5.5 million man.

 

[Menzinger]

I appreciate Bertuzzi's annoyingness and motor to disrupt out there and seems to have untapped garbage goal potential... but he's not exactly a $5.5 million man.

Yep. He's entertaining and love the attitude, but that's not enough to justify that high of a caphit.

I actually hope he agrees to come back on another 1 year 'show me' deal

 

[TMLAM34]

I wouldn’t mind a long term deal around 4.5 million per for Bertuzzi. He’s a keeper in my books.

 

[TMLAM34]

A deal with Nashville for Trenin and Carrier would be nice. Would be willing to include Robertson in a deal as long as we’re confident we can extend both players.

 

[Stephen]

A deal with Nashville for Trenin and Carrier would be nice. Would be willing to include Robertson in a deal as long as we’re confident we can extend both players.

Converting Robertson into a Top 9 staple is probably a win for the Leafs at this point. Get someone who is a more defined contributor and accept the trade off of Robertson's potential in doing so.

 

[Stephen]

Yep. He's entertaining and love the attitude, but that's not enough to justify that high of a caphit.

I actually hope he agrees to come back on another 1 year 'show me' deal

Or like 2 years at $4.75 million. Something like his last deal.

 

[TMLAM34]

Trenin - Domi - Jarnkrok could be a real pain in the ass to play against.

Next year, Trenin - Minten - Jarnkrok.

 

[Evilhomer]

Or like 2 years at $4.75 million. Something like his last deal.

I think Bertuzzi will be very good in the playoffs, and that might make him difficult to resign at the dollars that the Leafs will have available.

 

[Stephen]

I think Bertuzzi will be very good in the playoffs, and that might make him difficult to resign at the dollars that the Leafs will have available.

Not sure how things will unfold for Bertuzzi and the Leafs to be honest. Most teams don't carry the kind of playoff underachiever label Toronto does, so even if he's good in the playoffs in terms of production, his AAV ask will still be negatively impacted by poor regular season numbers. That's a long way off in any case.