Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[horner]

Cowan would be pretty attractive as well I'd imagine v

Cowen is going nowhere

 

[Stephen]

Cowan would be pretty attractive as well I'd imagine v

Other teams can admire Cowan from afar.

 

[Stephen]

Yakety Sax.

 

[LeafEgo]

Yep, that's likely one of the better combos you put together, excluding Knies.

We have solid defensive depth and poor offensive depth, but our need is defenseman and not forwards.

Knies and Robertson would need to be replaced in a return so their value is diminished in a trade to some extent.

What we have to offer for the most part is Brodie and typical picks and prospects, which is pretty thin, to give the D corps a new look.

I think we either take it on the chin this year, and perhaps next, or if we feel we have an honest shot, we look for band aid solutions that can be had for band aid prices.

Outside of that we're looking for a proven rockstar D stud with term in the right age bracket that we pay for by eliminating basically all the futures we have, if that option ever exists, and our offer can't be beaten anyways by a team like Jersey putting a blue chip on the table.

 

[Kiwi]

Cowen is going nowhere

You want an age appropriate very good top 4D on a good long term deal or not?

Other teams can admire Cowan from afar.

He's an asset, he's not big 4 tier good so he should be available for the correct player
Same with Knies

 

[SprDaVE]

Seems like a classic Ferris agent move. Leak that his client wants out, even if they weren't granted permission.

 

[Stephen]

You want an age appropriate very good top 4D on a good long term deal or not?


He's an asset, he's not big 4 tier good so he should be available for the correct player
Same with Knies

What you're saying sounds good in theory, but to do this properly, you need to actually provide Top 4 D names and compare whether we'd be better off fixing a need or having the youthful next wave help this current group...

I'll start you off. Neal Pionk for Matthew Knies, yes or no. Or Easton Cowan, yes or no. For me, it doesn't make sense to sell that quality of prospect, young player for just a Top 4... unless you're shopping for a long term, top pair fix. And I'm talking equal or superior to Morgan Rielly.

 

[Menzinger]

You want an age appropriate very good top 4D on a good long term deal or not?


He's an asset, he's not big 4 tier good so he should be available for the correct player
Same with Knies

I'd put Knies in a different category because 1) he's already producing like a top 9 forward as a rookie and 2) is dirt cheap for the the next few years. He's more important to the Leafs than a prospect given his ability to help the team win now and in the future.

Not to say I'd be inclined to quickly move Cowan or Minten for that matter, but they're out the door before him

 

[Kiwi]

What you're saying sounds good in theory, but to do this properly, you need to actually provide Top 4 D names and compare whether we'd be better off fixing a need or having the youthful next wave help this current group...

I'll start you off. Neal Pionk for Matthew Knies, yes or no. Or Easton Cowan, yes or no. For me, it doesn't make sense to sell that quality of prospect, young player for just a Top 4... unless you're shopping for a long term, top pair fix. And I'm talking equal or superior to Morgan Rielly.

Fair enough but as I'm sure you're aware I'm not sure who's available or not
I'm not saying give them away but they are the type of prospects that may bring in somebody worth trading them for

I'd put Knies in a different category because 1) he's already producing like a top 9 forward as a rookie and 2) is dirt cheap for the the next few years. He's more important to the Leafs than a prospect given his ability to help the team win now and in the future.

Not to say I'd be inclined to quickly move Cowan or Minten for that matter, but they're out the door before him

I'd think Knies is more valuable but if you're buying he could be the guy to get what we need

Matthew's, Marner and Nylander are prime aged players so I'm of the opinion it's time to put the best possible team together and go for it

 

[Rare Jewel]

Knies is more valuable than Robertson and Mitten, and I don't think anyone is saying a move for just anyone (I used Drysdale as an example earlier in the thread). But if we are actually going to put a d-core together that can compete so we don't end up wasting even more of the Matthews era, then Knies may be considered.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Don't know if he's truly available but it would make sense for NYI to move Pulock in the right deal.

Dobson has taken over as the #1RD and PP QB, they resigned Mayfield to a 7 year deal to do the heavy lifting on defense and PK on RD. They also have quality on LD in Pelech and Romanov.

7 years at a reasonable cap would make him costly to acquire.

I would give Nylander for Pulock

 

[as Pure as Evil]

Wonder if we can swoop in and poach broberg from the oilers kinda hoped we would have drafted him

 

[weems]

Lafferty scored again haha WTF

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Lafferty scored again haha WTF

Riding shotgun with Pettersson. Making the most of it

 

[1specter]

I would give Nylander for Pulock

f*** no

 

[Kiwi]

Lafferty scored again haha WTF

Lafferty is pretty bloody average

Unfortunately we kept decidedly below average instead of him

 

[Menzinger]

I'd think Knies is more valuable but if you're buying he could be the guy to get what we need

Matthew's, Marner and Nylander are prime aged players so I'm of the opinion it's time to put the best possible team together and go for it

I agree fully with that last point, but it's pretty rare for a young NHLer like Knies to get moved before picks and prospects - I don't think there was a similar asset to him moved last tdl for example.

I'm not getting terribly attached to this years 1st though.

 

[Kiwi]

I agree fully with that last point, but it's pretty rare for a young NHLer like Knies to get moved before picks and prospects - I don't think there was a similar asset to him moved last tdl for example.

I'm not getting terribly attached to this years 1st though.

Knies is a premium asset, I'd trade him but he's far more valuable than the usual players that get moved at the TDL

I'm talking early to mid 20's stud top 4D who's going to fill a hole for the next half decade
Which seems extremely unlikely obviously

Depends, I keep the first unless we get somebody with some term back
I'm through trading good assets for rentals and short term hole fillers

 

[horner]

Fair enough but as I'm sure you're aware I'm not sure who's available or not
I'm not saying give them away but they are the type of prospects that may bring in somebody worth trading them for


I'd think Knies is more valuable but if you're buying he could be the guy to get what we need

Matthew's, Marner and Nylander are prime aged players so I'm of the opinion it's time to put the best possible team together and go for it

What have mathews and marner done in the the playoffs , nothing very average players.

Knies is the power forward that we have been looking for for years but sure let's trade him because mathews and marner will lead us in the playoffs ok.

So who takes the place of knies ?

Knies Cowen Minten and Grebyonkin bring something that the top 4 don't passion physicality will stand up for themselves .
ELC contracts are huge in today's cap world.

Personally I would rather trade one of the core

 

[ULF_55]

What you're saying sounds good in theory, but to do this properly, you need to actually provide Top 4 D names and compare whether we'd be better off fixing a need or having the youthful next wave help this current group...

I'll start you off. Neal Pionk for Matthew Knies, yes or no. Or Easton Cowan, yes or no. For me, it doesn't make sense to sell that quality of prospect, young player for just a Top 4... unless you're shopping for a long term, top pair fix. And I'm talking equal or superior to Morgan Rielly.

Agreed.

You move Knies or Cowan for a top 2 defender. Cowan you might have to add, Knies is already a NHL forward exhibiting PF abilities and cost controlled for years.

The fly in the ointment is finding a team with extra top 2 defenders, or a team looking for a reset.

And no interest in trading away 10 year players for a 3 year player. Has to be under 30.

If there is no trade partner for that type of transaction, lessor prospects for lessor defenders.

 

[horner]

Recent trade for a top dman

Hronek + 4th
for
1st + 2nd

Toews for 2nd + 2nd

Jones + 1st + 6th
for
Borquist + 1st + 2nd + 1st

The common theme here is 2nd rd pks.
Thanks to our previous gm we have 0 2nd rd pks

What RFA dman ore out there that a team disnt want to resign .

 

[mydnyte]

You want an age appropriate very good top 4D on a good long term deal or not?


He's an asset, he's not big 4 tier good so he should be available for the correct player
Same with Knies

he's a projected starting C for this team, and a critical asset.
next season Minten is likely our starting #3C, and the year after, JT is gone, and Minten may go up to #2C if he works out, and Cowen will likely be given a shot as the #3C
this is a planned trajectory, and we have zero replacements for either. they are our entire crop of 'high end' Center depth with Hirvonen perhaps getting a shot as a #4C, or an 'energy' winger.
Holmberg could be an option, as I do not see him becoming a good enough regular on this team.

We dont have many prospects close to ready that project in the top 6, or as impact players.

 

[ULF_55]

Recent trade for a top dman

Hronek + 4th
for
1st + 2nd

Toews for 2nd + 2nd

Jones + 1st + 6th
for
Borquist + 1st + 2nd + 1st

The common theme here is 2nd rd pks.
Thanks to our previous gm we have 0 2nd rd pks

Yes, they don't have much capital.

And their 1st. round picks aren't usually that valuable. It isn't like they pick in the top 20.

Line-up seems more like 1st. liners and 3rd. liners, with 1 top 2 defender, a couple #3's and wannabees and usedtobees.

 

[mydnyte]

Knies is more valuable than Robertson and Mitten, and I don't think anyone is saying a move for just anyone (I used Drysdale as an example earlier in the thread). But if we are actually going to put a d-core together that can compete so we don't end up wasting even more of the Matthews era, then Knies may be considered.

Minten is by far our most important prospect right now, followed by Cowen.
We have ZERO center depth, and Minten is an outstanding big bodied 2-way player.

His top end potential can be similar to a ROR, with his bottom as a Danault type top 6 defensive specialist depending on how his offense progresses

Knies is a talented big bodied 'skilled' winger, he is not a traditional 'power forward' as he has no crash and bang to his game. he is a possession forward; think more JVR and less anyone who actually throws a check.

Robertson is expendable, he has good energy, and a good shot, but, he's trade bait.

 

[TMLAM34]

I can see Minten replacing Kampf next year as our 4C and then moving up accordingly.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Cowan start his NHL career as a winger on the 3rd line as soon as next year.