Trades and Free Agency Discussion - The Dog Days of Summer

[leafsfan5]

I like EK65, but I’d take our actual off-season 10/10 times

33 year old at 10 x 4 isn’t great. It only really works for the Pens who know they’ll suck in 3-4 years

 

[Stephen]

Of course our previous general manager had to make a comment about his previous employment.

 

[andora]

Of course our previous general manager had to make a comment about his previous employment.

That means hes fair game here for another month right?

 

[Stephen]

That means hes fair game here for another month right?

Considering Lou is still top of mind, I think we'll be talking about this guy for some time.

 

[Stephen]

I like EK65, but I’d take our actual off-season 10/10 times

33 year old at 10 x 4 isn’t great. It only really works for the Pens who know they’ll suck in 3-4 years

EK65 is a big name, splashy add that would have made more sense as a finishing piece for Edmonton. Or even Toronto if we didn't get Klingberg and somehow deleted Brodie. But it tilts things in a very unbalanced way wherever he goes and who knows how he coexists with Letang. But... who cares.

 

[Rude Dog]

Curious whom most of our fanbase would prefer if given a choice between Nylander or Karlsson on the Leafs? Which player makes them a better team? I honestly think I take Karlsson assuming Nylander extends for a similar contract AAV.

Keep forgetting Accari also signed with the Pens. Ugh. Interesting looking at the Pens cap structure now. They have a much more balanced payroll compared with the Leafs right now. Dubas couldn't stop himself from bringing in a 8 digit contract.

 

[BayStBullies]

Curious whom most of our fanbase would prefer if given a choice between Nylander or Karlsson on the Leafs? Which player makes them a better team? I honestly think I take Karlsson assuming Nylander extends for a similar contract AAV.

Keep forgetting Accari also signed with the Pens. Ugh. Interesting looking at the Pens cap structure now. They have a much more balanced payroll compared with the Leafs right now. Dubas couldn't stop himself from bringing in a 8 digit contract.

On a team with Reilly and Klingberg? Easily neither of them. I wish they kept Acciari and Schenn and then used the remainder to sign a Nylander replacement. If he wants $10 million, he can't be here for it.

 

[Buds17]

Curious whom most of our fanbase would prefer if given a choice between Nylander or Karlsson on the Leafs? Which player makes them a better team? I honestly think I take Karlsson assuming Nylander extends for a similar contract AAV.

Keep forgetting Accari also signed with the Pens. Ugh. Interesting looking at the Pens cap structure now. They have a much more balanced payroll compared with the Leafs right now. Dubas couldn't stop himself from bringing in a 8 digit contract.

I'd probably stick with Nylander. While Karlsson is arguably better, there's only so much of an impact he can have on a blueline with Rielly (not to mention Klingberg). If it isn't a great idea to pair Rielly and Karlsson together at ES or on PP1...We'd also have to trade for Karlsson.

Have to remember that Pittsburgh's cap situation is aided by Crosby being on a contract that's now prohibited by the current CBA. Furthermore, Malkin and Letang would be earning more if they were younger (which was the case previously).

 

[Mickey Marner]

Imagine thinking a 4th 10+ million dollar player is what this team needs. Bullet dodged.

 

[tmlfan98]

Mirtle is guessing (operating under the assumption that the Nylander situation doesn't end with him being traded) that the Leafs will become cap compliant by trading Lafferty, trading/waiving Timmins and replacing him with a cheaper 7D to run a 21-man roster instead of the minimum 20.

Assuming Philly is still listening on most of their roster, Nick Seeler would be a great target for that role. Only makes league minimum, has standout defensive metrics in a 3rd pair role, can play both sides and can push Gio down the depth chart. 3rd pair LHD like him usually never cost more than a 3rd rounder at most.

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Tavares-Marner
McMann-Domi-Jarnkrok
Gambrell-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Seeler-Liljegren
Giordano

 

[MCR74]

EK65 is a big name, splashy add that would have made more sense as a finishing piece for Edmonton. Or even Toronto if we didn't get Klingberg and somehow deleted Brodie. But it tilts things in a very unbalanced way wherever he goes and who knows how he coexists with Letang. But... who cares.

Karllson is used to having everything run through him. This is Crosby's team. He'll have to adjust.

 

[TMLAM34]

Considering McCabe and Brodie did not work out well at all (limited action), Peeke would be a great target to play alongside McCabe on a shutdown pair.

To Toronto: Andrew Peeke
To Detroit: TJ Brodie
To Columbus: DET 2nd Rounder + Roni Hirvonen

Nicolas Hague is another name I’d love to get. Not sure what it would take but Timmins + wouldn’t be bad.

Rielly - Liljegren
McCabe - Peeke
Hague - Klingberg

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Imagine thinking a 4th 10+ million dollar player is what this team needs. Bullet dodged.

Agreed though I think the trade would have had a bunch more retention if Toronto was making it.

Considering McCabe and Brodie did not work out well at all (limited action), Peeke would be a great target to play alongside McCabe on a shutdown pair.

To Toronto: Andrew Peeke
To Detroit: TJ Brodie
To Columbus: DET 2nd Rounder + Roni Hirvonen

Nicolas Hague is another name I’d love to get. Not sure what it would take but Timmins + wouldn’t be bad.

Rielly - Liljegren
McCabe - Peeke
Hague - Klingberg

I thought they had a good series against Tampa together. Hard to say if they are a bad fit yet.

 

[Kurtz]

Mirtle is guessing (operating under the assumption that the Nylander situation doesn't end with him being traded) that the Leafs will become cap compliant by trading Lafferty, trading/waiving Timmins and replacing him with a cheaper 7D to run a 21-man roster instead of the minimum 20.

Assuming Philly is still listening on most of their roster, Nick Seeler would be a great target for that role. Only makes league minimum, has standout defensive metrics in a 3rd pair role, can play both sides and can push Gio down the depth chart. 3rd pair LHD like him usually never cost more than a 3rd rounder at most.

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Tavares-Marner
McMann-Domi-Jarnkrok
Gambrell-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Seeler-Liljegren
Giordano

Would be so much easier to dump Jarn and keep both Laff and Timmins imo.

 

[andora]

Mirtle is guessing (operating under the assumption that the Nylander situation doesn't end with him being traded) that the Leafs will become cap compliant by trading Lafferty, trading/waiving Timmins and replacing him with a cheaper 7D to run a 21-man roster instead of the minimum 20.

Assuming Philly is still listening on most of their roster, Nick Seeler would be a great target for that role. Only makes league minimum, has standout defensive metrics in a 3rd pair role, can play both sides and can push Gio down the depth chart. 3rd pair LHD like him usually never cost more than a 3rd rounder at most.

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Tavares-Marner
McMann-Domi-Jarnkrok
Gambrell-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Seeler-Liljegren
Giordano

No disrespect to you.. i like the seeler idea

But its sad we have to penny pinch on an effective 1.1 million c/lw effective player

Where is holmberg?
Gambrell? Yuck

 

[Stephen]

Karllson is used to having everything run through him. This is Crosby's team. He'll have to adjust.

That's what I mean about it being an odd fit. They brought in a guy who shined last year as The Man on a losing team, after he struggled in partnership with Brent Burns. Now they bring him in to be not The Man behind Crosby like you said as well as sharing the same duties as Letang, but paid out in The Man prices.

Just seems weird to me that a GM saw Karlsson as the solution in Toronto, and similarly saw Karlsson as the solution in Pittsburgh on a different team with different strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Stephen]

No disrespect to you.. i like the seeler idea

But its sad we have to penny pinch on an effective 1.1 million c/lw effective player

Where is holmberg?
Gambrell? Yuck

I didn't get the sense that the Lafferty we saw in Toronto is the player they thought they were getting out of Chicago. He was a fast, do nothing, no hands, not effective player in his time with the Leafs.

 

[andora]

I didn't get the sense that the Lafferty we saw in Toronto is the player they thought they were getting out of Chicago. He was a fast, do nothing, no hands, not effective player in his time with the Leafs.

Part of it was no consistency in role or linemates imo

If keefe can decide on a good damn threesome and play it lafferty can settle in.. he will probably be much better this year

Lafftery/holmberg/reaves

There keefe.. did one for you

 

[MCR74]

That's what I mean about it being an odd fit. They brought in a guy who shined last year as The Man on a losing team, after he struggled in partnership with Brent Burns. Now they bring him in to be not The Man behind Crosby like you said as well as sharing the same duties as Letang, but paid out in The Man prices.

Just seems weird to me that a GM saw Karlsson as the solution in Toronto, and similarly saw Karlsson as the solution in Pittsburgh on a different team with different strengths and weaknesses.

Even with Ottawa, he ran everything. Will Karlsson accept a different role? Letang's been there forever too. Seniority counts. Sullivan won't allow him to roam free.

l don't see him hitting 100 points this season, especially with different usage. The Penguins are Crosby's team, until he retires.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Even with Ottawa, he ran everything. Will Karlsson accept a different role? Letang's been there forever too. Seniority counts. Sullivan won't allow him to roam free.

l don't see him hitting 100 points this season, especially with different usage. The Penguins are Crosby's team, until he retires.

Usually when you're trying to win...you're not given that long of a leash...you do have to pick and choose more versus what he had in San Jose last year where he could run wild.

Now add in the fact it's similar to Karlsson-Burns and now it's just Letang-Karlsson where instead of 1 guy getting to do all the roving, it's 2...the 100 pt season was nice but I don't see it working in Pittsburgh.

 

[andora]

Even with Ottawa, he ran everything. Will Karlsson accept a different role? Letang's been there forever too. Seniority counts. Sullivan won't allow him to roam free.

l don't see him hitting 100 points this season, especially with different usage. The Penguins are Crosby's team, until he retires.

The last thing i see crosby doing is not adapting - if the play runs through karlsson i dont think he would care .. but he and sullivan need to adapt to see how that would work

 

[Menzinger]

The last thing i see crosby doing is not adapting - if the play runs through karlsson i dont think he would care .. but he and sullivan need to adapt to see how that would work

Given they all know they're in the twilight of their career, I suspect they'll be a bit flexible as far as roles go. ek is a bit of a one man show on the ice, but an above average coach should ideally figure out how to use him effectively

 

[Sypher04]

I doubt Karlsson puts up 100, but he doesn’t need to; I bet he fits well. The Pens are going to have one of Karlsson or Letang on the ice virtually the entire game, which will be a huge shot in the arm to their offensive game.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I doubt Karlsson puts up 100, but he doesn’t need to; I bet he fits well. The Pens are going to have one of Karlsson or Letang on the ice virtually the entire game, which will be a huge shot in the arm to their offensive game.

Someone has gotta cover for Karlsson if he activates though because if you play good defense, you'll have some excellent counter opportunities.

 

[ULF_55]

I like EK65, but I’d take our actual off-season 10/10 times

33 year old at 10 x 4 isn’t great. It only really works for the Pens who know they’ll suck in 3-4 years

Pretty big news in Pittsburgh when attendance was down last season.

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