Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[ACC1224]

I dunno... I just don't see why he should be paid $2.5 mil though. A RFA, with 133 games, who is good, but not great defensively, and no real offense. It's a bridge contract. I mean, he's physical, hits a lot, and blocks a lot of shots. Unless they see some reason that he's going to break out, I don't see a $2.5 mil player here.

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They paid a pretty good price to obtain him so they obviously value him. Most takes I've read on the signing think it was good.

 

[ULF_55]

I dunno... I just don't see why he should be paid $2.5 mil though. A RFA, with 133 games, who is good, but not great defensively, and no real offense. It's a bridge contract. I mean, he's physical, hits a lot, and blocks a lot of shots. Unless they see some reason that he's going to break out, I don't see a $2.5 mil player here.

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Maybe a reasonable contract type for Sandin.

Of course easier to get playing time on a bottom feeder.

 

[Americanadian]

Just off the cuff any other guys comparable to where you would see him?

Also are you thinking like a 1.75 ish?

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Lots of comparables. Cernak might be the best. Cernak signed at 2.95x3 in 2020. Jokiharju at 2.5x3 in 2021 is also a similar player.

 

[andora]

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Lots of comparables. Cernak might be the best. Cernak signed at 2.95x3 in 2020. Jokiharju at 2.5x3 in 2021 is also a similar player.

Forgot about that tool thank you

Jesus tampa nailed that trade.

 

[Americanadian]

Forgot about that tool thank you

Jesus tampa nailed that trade.

Budaj ended up playing more games for Tampa than Bishop played for LA. Such a good move.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Romanov probably a good road map for Sandin

1 yr 1M
2 yrs 1.4M
3 yrs 2.5M

I don't think the cap exists to go 3 years like the Romanov contract unfortunately.

 

[andora]

Budaj ended up playing more games for Tampa than Bishop played for LA. Such a good move.

We had the hyman trade but need more like this

 

[Dekes For Days]

Killorn 4.45M Paul 750k (retained) - Colton Ross 1.125M
Maroon 1M - Bellemare 1M - Perry 1M

Killorn is not a bottom six forward for them. He was 3rd in forward TOI/GP in the regular season, and 2nd in the playoffs. Tampa paid less for their bottom six in both the regular season and playoffs. Our cap structure does not prevent quality depth.

 

[Americanadian]

I'd probably look at what Tampa Bay was at going into the playoffs and come up with the most accurate version of our own.

Engvall 2.25M Kampf 1.5M Mikhayev 1.645M
Kase 1.25M Blackwell 1.5M Spezza 750k

Approx 8.895M

Killorn 4.45M Paul 750k (retained) - Colton Ross 1.125M
Maroon 1M - Bellemare 1M - Perry 1M

9.325M

Not much difference, Tampa just better at identifying guys that can help in the playoffs or something, although Nick Paul went legendary for a couple games.

If Matthews isn't signed to an extension for July 1st next summer, you wanting him moved or to keep trying on an extension?

The real difference is Tampa can afford Vasilevskiy in net.

 

[stickty111]

Good deal for the Isles here. Still the fact they had to bridge him tells us something about the rest of their contracts.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Killorn is not a bottom six forward for them. He was 3rd in forward TOI/GP in the regular season, and 2nd in the playoffs. Tampa paid less for their bottom six in both the regular season and playoffs. Our cap structure does not prevent quality depth.

Killorn moved up when Brayden Point was injured, otherwise he was 3rd line.

The real difference is Tampa can afford Vasilevskiy in net.

I guess they managed the cap well.

 

[andora]

Killorn moved up when Brayden Point was injured, otherwise he was 3rd line.



I guess they managed the cap well.

But vasy forced them into it.. they got lucky getting him

/dick sarcasm

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Good deal for the Isles here. Still the fact they had to bridge him tells us something about the rest of their contracts.

They still have a fair bit of cap space to add someone for this year.

TBH, they should consider a swap with the Bruins around one of Forbert or Reilly and Foligno for Palmieri. Maybe Johnston goes to Boston as well.

Fits well for both teams. Boston gets more money now and a better offensive player. They have too many expensive LD. Islanders need a good 3LD and need to dump future money, and Palmieri is arguably the worst. Opens up a spot for Bellows. Foligno could be better for the 4th line than Martin, but Martin can still have his role.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Killorn moved up when Brayden Point was injured, otherwise he was 3rd line.

Killorn is not bottom six depth. That's very misleading.

Among forwards in the regular season, he was 3rd in TOI/GP and solidly top-6 in ES TOI/GP.
In the playoffs, he was 2nd in TOI/GP and 3rd in ES TOI/GP.
Even in just the series against us that Point played, he was 2nd in TOI/GP and 4th in ES TOI/GP.

In fact, it would make more sense to include Kerfoot as bottom-six depth than Killorn.

The fact that you tried to desperately include him and still couldn't show a notable difference in bottom-six expenditure pretty much says it all. Our cap structure does not prevent quality depth.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Killorn is not bottom six depth. That's very misleading.

Among forwards in the regular season, he was 3rd in TOI/GP and solidly top-6 in ES TOI/GP.
In the playoffs, he was 2nd in TOI/GP and 3rd in ES TOI/GP.
Even in just the series against us that Point played, he was 2nd in TOI/GP and 4th in ES TOI/GP.

In fact, it would make more sense to include Kerfoot as bottom-six depth than Killorn.

The fact that you tried to desperately include him and still couldn't show a notable difference in bottom-six expenditure pretty much says it all. Our cap structure does not prevent quality depth.

I can't pull Natural stat trick at work but I think Killorn plays both special teams which would explain the TOI vs Kucherov ES+PP only (as an example).

I don't see why we'd consider Kerfoot bottom 6 as Kerfoot-JT-88 is what we actually rolled and our top 6 didn't really have injuries outside of Bunting.

 

[Torontonian]

Anyone else surprised that Kerfoot and Holl are still Leafs?

Not really, management likes to take their time when it comes to decisions, might as well the time while you got it, don't think the price changes from June to September, likely just a mid round draft pick.

It's possible someone gets hurt during off season training / pre season.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I can't pull Natural stat trick at work but I think Killorn plays both special teams which would explain the TOI vs Kucherov ES+PP only (as an example).

I provided you ES TOI/GP as well.

I don't see why we'd consider Kerfoot bottom 6

I included Kerfoot in the top-six to be most fair, but he played in the bottom six at times throughout the season. Kerfoot was 8th in TOI/GP and 6th in ES TOI/GP in the regular season, and 7th in TOI/GP and 9th in ES TOI/GP in the playoffs, which is less than Killorn.

 

[ER89]

If Paul is a Leaf and not a Bolt do they win game 7?

Yeah someone else would have stepped up

 

[Americanadian]

They still have a fair bit of cap space to add someone for this year.

TBH, they should consider a swap with the Bruins around one of Forbert or Reilly and Foligno for Palmieri. Maybe Johnston goes to Boston as well.

Fits well for both teams. Boston gets more money now and a better offensive player. They have too many expensive LD. Islanders need a good 3LD and need to dump future money, and Palmieri is arguably the worst. Opens up a spot for Bellows. Foligno could be better for the 4th line than Martin, but Martin can still have his role.

If they could pick up Reilly and acquire Milano at ~2M that'd be a pretty solid use of cap space. I also wouldn't be surprised to see CDH return there to play 3LD.

 

[ACC1224]

Not really, management likes to take their time when it comes to decisions, might as well the time while you got it, don't think the price changes from June to September, likely just a mid round draft pick.

It's possible someone gets hurt during off season training / pre season.

True enough. Is there a worry though that Teams will be set and they may not be able to move them? Particularly if/when Sandin signs, how will they get compliant?

 

[WTFMAN99]

I provided you ES TOI/GP as well.

I included Kerfoot in the top-six to be most fair, but he played in the bottom six at times throughout the season. Kerfoot was 8th in TOI/GP and 6th in ES TOI/GP in the regular season, and 7th in TOI/GP and 9th in ES TOI/GP in the playoffs, which is less than Killorn.

Tampa maybe has more confidence in the top 9 and their deployment, spread the ice time a bit?

The thing with Kerfoot is we know that he's primarily been with Kerfoot-JT-88, there were times we dropped 88 to the Kampf line or tried Robertson with JT and 88.

Either way, no doubt Tampa has identified what it needs/wants from it's bottom 6. Kampf was great for us all year round, Engvall came along, Mikhayev is 0 for 19 in beating a goalie in the playoffs. Our 4th line was a write off, I liked Blackwell but we would have gotten even more from him if he was at RW vs C.

Paul went legendary and the rest did just enough.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tampa maybe has more confidence in the top 9 and their deployment, spread the ice time a bit?

If anything, ice times showed Toronto with more confidence in their top-9 than Tampa.

The thing with Kerfoot is we know that he's primarily been with Kerfoot-JT-88, there were times we dropped 88 to the Kampf line or tried Robertson with JT and 88.

Which is why I put him as a top-six, but he's still a better candidate to be considered bottom-six than Killorn.

Either way, our cap structure does not prevent quality depth.

 

[hamzarocks]

Is Kessel retiring?

He had 50ish pts this year on a shitty Zona team

I think he can provide kerfoot level offense at minimum with JT and 88

I really hope a reunion is in the works with us and him

He also let's us go back to two PP units in case PP1 struggles ever or can be a Spezza like threat on PP2

 

[Fogelhund]

Unless you switch the coach and not the depth player personnel endlessly.

The 2017-18 Washington Capitals team won the Cup with Barry Trotz at the same time the NYI finished last (31st) in goals against 296 GA.

Barry Trotz is hired by NYI for 2018-19 season and they go to 1st in GA with 196 GA ... Worst to first in his very first season cutting -100 goals down.

Anybody believe going from Jack Campbell to Matt Murray is going to reduce Leafs goals against by 100?

Then in the past 3 season Trotz takes a NYI team to the final 4 before bowing out to the Cup Champs TB both times in round #3.

Most Leaf fans would tell you the NYI roster is no where near the Leafs roster in strength nor talent .. So then why all the success if not for the coach and his system?

So you have a proven Stanley Cup winner and 2 x final 4 in the past 5 seasons just sitting there. What the hell are the Leafs waiting for?

So maybe swapping deck chairs on the Leafs with the goalie carousel and depth players isn't the best course of action as its certainly not the only option.

Also noting, Trotz didn't win a playoff series, the first 12 years he coached.... is that our bar for good coaching?

 

[Torontonian]

True enough. Is there a worry though that Teams will be set and they may not be able to move them? Particularly if/when Sandin signs, how will they get compliant?

I don't think that's a real thing, if a team wants a player A or B, they will trade with them instead of risking of them getting traded to another team.

Holl or Kerfoot may not have as much value as people think, I can see them going for a 3rd to 6th round picks, but they are everyday NHL players, that's for sure.