Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[Apex Predator]

If Sandin is not on the roster and any of the Marlies fill out the 12th forward the Leafs will be cap compliant.

So the Leafs don’t really need to make a trade if Sandin decides to hold out. They can take this to training camp and see where things fall. Injuries can happen who knows. I just have a feeling at this point they have a plan and if they can’t make a trade they know they can work it to be cap compliant.

 

[ULF_55]

Is their Conn Smythe goalie Vasilevskiy being considered among their "valued players"?

Because he is their core player and comes up big in elimination games often posting a shutout in series deciding games for his team to advance, so his team needs very little run support from anyone to advance.

Vasilevskiy had posted 5 straight shutouts in series clinching games dating back over multiple playoffs including BOTH Stanley Cups finals before surrendering a single goal to Toronto.

"Good teams are built from the goalie out ...... " and Vasilevskiy is among the very best in the game.

He's a proven Stanley Cup winner.
Campbell not so much!

 

[SprDaVE]

Back from my hiatus. See nothings happened, mildly still confused. Back to hiatus.

 

[Americanadian]

So the Leafs don’t really need to make a trade if Sandin decides to hold out. They can take this to training camp and see where things fall. Injuries can happen who knows. I just have a feeling at this point they have a plan and if they can’t make a trade they know they can work it to be cap compliant.

Yes. If they do start the season without Sandin and sign him after the start of the season cap hit will be pro-rated from the day he signs similar to Nylander in 2018-19. I'd imagine if the Leafs start the season without Sandin it's very unlikely he plays for the Leafs at all next year.

 

[Mess]

Trouble is this Leafs team has no history beyond the 1st. round so we have no idea who can do what in later rounds or big games.

Only place we can look is at their history in adult games outside of the NHL.

Any winners, tournament MVP's, big goal gamers on the roster, or are we looking at players who peaked in junior?

Leafs are 0-10 in elimination games over the last 6 years, that is the NHL record and it includes this core including all the 3 Amigo's and Rielly and JT in the last 4 seasons.

Doesn't that tell us something why we have no history beyond the 1st round, when your core and best players keep coming up short in big pressure games?

Some experts believe its their cap management usage and top heavy build as to why Leafs are the only non expansion team not to win a playoff round in a Salary Cap World.

 

[ULF_55]

Back from my hiatus. See nothings happened, mildly still confused. Back to hiatus.

We are getting closer to something happening though.

NHL Prospect Tournament

www.centreice.org

Less than a month ...

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs are 0-10 in elimination games over the last 6 years, that is the NHL record and it includes this core including all the 3 Amigo's and Rielly and JT in the last 4 seasons.

Doesn't that tell us something why we have no history beyond the 1st round, when your core and best players keep coming up short in big pressure games?

Some experts believe its their cap management usage and top heavy build as to why Leafs are the only non expansion team not to win a playoff round in a Salary Cap World.

I think the experts are full of poop.

Their problem seems to be much bigger than Cap Management.

Losing the biggest game every time is bigger than not having an extra .750k around to grab a Paul.

 

[ACC1224]

I think the experts are full of poop.

Their problem seems to be much bigger than Cap Management.

Losing the biggest game every time is bigger than not having an extra .750k around to grab a Paul.

If Paul is a Leaf and not a Bolt do they win game 7?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Did they not have more expensive guys in the bottom 6?

Tampa spent around 5.5m on their bottom six through most of the season, and then spent two 1sts replacing Joseph and Raddysh with Hagel and Paul, which would have put them at around 6.25m over a full season. Assuming we don't count Ritchie, Toronto was at over 7m for their bottom six in regular season and playoffs.

I believe Dubas only got 1 year of UFA from Matthews, 2 from Marner and Gaudreau's last contract I believe got 2 years of UFA Time.

You're talking about something entirely different. Treviling chose to keep Gaudreau as a pending UFA.

 

[Americanadian]

If Paul is a Leaf and not a Bolt do they win game 7?

The answer to this is most likely yes. It's not like both goals were tap-ins that anyone on the Bolts would have scored.

The cap didn't prevent the Leafs from acquiring Paul though - they could have easily acquired him at 750k and sent Simmonds down. The issue is either A. they didn't see the need to acquire him or B. they didn't have the assets to acquire him. The Lightning gave up a 24 year old Mathieu Joseph who is an NHL player in his own right and played quite well last year for Ottawa. It would be the equivalent of the Leafs giving up Engvall.

 

[ACC1224]

The answer to this is most likely yes. It's not like both goals were tap-ins that anyone on the Bolts would have scored.

The cap didn't prevent the Leafs from acquiring Paul though - they could have easily acquired him at 750k and sent Simmonds down. The issue is either A. they didn't see the need to acquire him or B. they didn't have the assets to acquires him. The Lightning gave up a 24 year old Mathieu Joseph who is an NHL player in his own right and played quite well last year. It would be the equivalent of the Leafs giving up Engvall.

Yes I believe Tampa paid less cap for better players.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The answer to this is most likely yes. It's not like both goals were tap-ins that anyone on the Bolts would have scored.

The cap didn't prevent the Leafs from acquiring Paul though - they could have easily acquired him at 750k and sent Simmonds down. The issue is either A. they didn't see the need to acquire him or B. they didn't have the assets to acquire him. The Lightning gave up a 24 year old Mathieu Joseph who is an NHL player in his own right and played quite well last year for Ottawa. It would be the equivalent of the Leafs giving up Engvall.

You can thank Lou and Hunter for basically drafting 0 NHL players outside of the lottery over a 3-4 year span. Our cupboard has been completely bare up until the last year or so, where as Sakic and Yzerman both had NHL players constantly coming up and being valuable assets.

I think this is overlooked when looking at our struggles to get over the hump. The pipeline completely failed us when we needed good young talent on ELCs. TBay had a slew of guys (some who they traded for vets), Colorado had Byram, Newhook, LOC, etc. You won't find that value in the UFA market.

 

[Fogelhund]

19 points in 133 games... $2.5 mil for three years... I mean... it's ungood.

 

[Amadeus]

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19 points in 133 games... $2.5 mil for three years... I mean... it's ungood.

He's a good D-Man though and it's a solid deal for NYI.

 

[andora]

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19 points in 133 games... $2.5 mil for three years... I mean... it's ungood.

To be fair his game isnt really points but they are paying for the potential

I mean pelech/pulock romanov/dobson aho/mayfield is a good mix .. with pelech being superb and dobson elevating very quickly

 

[Americanadian]

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19 points in 133 games... $2.5 mil for three years... I mean... it's ungood.

Not an unfair deal for what he brings.

 

[ACC1224]

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19 points in 133 games... $2.5 mil for three years... I mean... it's ungood.

I always thought he was a decent enough player who obviously wasn't signed for his offense.

 

[stickty111]

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19 points in 133 games... $2.5 mil for three years... I mean... it's ungood.

At the time of Holl's signing, he had 14 points in 52 games.
Makes his 2 million for another year a steal. Holl's game is not offense and he's produced more without any PP time. Holl is also better defensively and fantastic on the PK

 

[ACC1224]

I know it's cool to go after Lou but a better target than Romanov should probably be found.

 

[justashadowof]

Maybe I've seen Alex Romanov on the wrong nights. He's looked like AHL fodder every game I've watched. Including the nights HNIC commentators are inexplicably praising his play as he's repeatedly burned to the outside by any forward with speed. It's almost like his representation greases some palms.

 

[justashadowof]

Tyson Kozak? Maybe we're living in a simulation after all and it's the 25th season of the GM mode for some MSDOS sports game.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Tampa spent around 5.5m on their bottom six through most of the season, and then spent two 1sts replacing Joseph and Raddysh with Hagel and Paul, which would have put them at around 6.25m over a full season. Assuming we don't count Ritchie, Toronto was at over 7m for their bottom six in regular season and playoffs.

You're talking about something entirely different. Treviling chose to keep Gaudreau as a pending UFA.

I'd probably look at what Tampa Bay was at going into the playoffs and come up with the most accurate version of our own.

Engvall 2.25M Kampf 1.5M Mikhayev 1.645M
Kase 1.25M Blackwell 1.5M Spezza 750k

Approx 8.895M

Killorn 4.45M Paul 750k (retained) - Colton Ross 1.125M
Maroon 1M - Bellemare 1M - Perry 1M

9.325M

Not much difference, Tampa just better at identifying guys that can help in the playoffs or something, although Nick Paul went legendary for a couple games.

If Matthews isn't signed to an extension for July 1st next summer, you wanting him moved or to keep trying on an extension?

 

[Fogelhund]

I always thought he was a decent enough player who obviously wasn't signed for his offense.

I dunno... I just don't see why he should be paid $2.5 mil though. A RFA, with 133 games, who is good, but not great defensively, and no real offense. It's a bridge contract. I mean, he's physical, hits a lot, and blocks a lot of shots. Unless they see some reason that he's going to break out, I don't see a $2.5 mil player here.

 

[andora]

I dunno... I just don't see why he should be paid $2.5 mil though. A RFA, with 133 games, who is good, but not great defensively, and no real offense. It's a bridge contract. I mean, he's physical, hits a lot, and blocks a lot of shots. Unless they see some reason that he's going to break out, I don't see a $2.5 mil player here.

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Just off the cuff any other guys comparable to where you would see him?

Also are you thinking like a 1.75 ish?

 

[Americanadian]

I dunno... I just don't see why he should be paid $2.5 mil though. A RFA, with 133 games, who is good, but not great defensively, and no real offense. It's a bridge contract. I mean, he's physical, hits a lot, and blocks a lot of shots. Unless they see some reason that he's going to break out, I don't see a $2.5 mil player here.

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Not too dissimilar to the Bean, Boqvist, Jokiharju contracts. Probably not dissimilar to what Sandin would ask for if he had a spot to play on the Leafs blue line. Romanov has better impacts (GAR) than all of Jokiharju, Bean and Boqvist each of the last 2 years.