Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season
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Fogelhund
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I can't say. Tough to find those defensemen but we haven't had one like that since McCabe. A guy like Shea Theodore would be perfect but he's likely not available. Shayne Gostisbehere can score but his D leaves a lot to be desired.
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Toronto's main need is a goaltender that can play to a .910 in the playoffs/regular season. Toronto powerplay was fine, Toronto PK was fine last year, Toronto D was fine last year as well, they haven't gotten a save when they needed in in 6+ chances to eliminate a team.
Adding Chychrun isn't going to change anything if they get under .900 goaltending in the playoffs again.
Adding Chychrun isn't going to change anything if they get under .900 goaltending in the playoffs again.
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Joseph Woll. 3 wins, one loss .911 Sv% and 2.75 GAA last year for us. My dark horse to steal the starters spot before the end of the year. I don’t know why, but it’s been in my head for a bit. If it happens, it’s a good thing for us.
Chych seems like a better fit for the Yotes than Nylander. I'm not sure what they would be gaining from that trade. Given their stockpile of picks going three years out and their current arena debacle I figure they are looking to open a window in 5 years or so. Nylander would be 31 and making a lot of money in the meantime. Maybe they want selling the franchise in their back pocket I dunno..
But Chych is one of the most valuable realistic trade chips in the league on his contract, so a trade would not be relatively painfree. I can't see a return being centered around Sandin. Couldn't they do better - what would the red wings give up for example? The ask is likely Knies+ or no deal. My guess is no deal.
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I LOVE Knies as a prospect in our system but if aquiring Chychrun is Knies + (depending what the + is) I am still listening.
Knies + Muzzin + (One of) Amirov/Hirvonen/Sandin
I'd do that in a second.
1) Clears up a million in cap space.
2) Exchanges a #4 33yr old worn down defender for a (imo) #2 24yr old defender who can play both sides.
3) Gives them viable options for the future including "their" Arizona guy.
We are in win now mode. So lets uhhh..win now! lol.
If they did this and both Knies turns into a stud AND we fail to win at least a couple playoff rounds in the next 2yrs id be willing to admit defeat.
This is just a horrendously gross overpayment for a player who doesn’t even address our most glaring need at the moment. for a RHD, while simultaneously stripping us of 2 of our top 5 prospects.
Incredibly short sighted trade.
We have no need and no reason to bend over for this player. I already think if Sandin develops the way that he can, he will be a better player than the one we are gutting our prospects pool to get here.
Can’t wait for chychrun to be moved else so these nonsense trade proposals can go away….
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DraftSchmaft
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Agree RHD is a bigger need for us since keeping Sandin is an option for left side and he's a potential breakout guy next season, however I disagree Jakob is a short sighted trade. If we got him at this age he will be a staple for us through various different versions of this team. It's short sighted for our needs today but the player itself is a long far sighted move.
Skilled two way defencemen run the backend in today's NHL it's good to stay ahead of the game in this regard. Physical rock solid presence is vital but secondary to your Rielly's. Sure Jakob has faults but where's the other supply of these guys to dip into? When do you think we will draft, develop and deploy our own who is a legit top 4 (relative to the time of declining jakob due to short term needs)? Around age 25-27 Jakob will be one of the best options in the game for the transition with that skill and size, if he's not already one of the best options and just in need of a change of scenery.
If price works for us and he gave the signal to Coyotes he wants out, he is a must add imo
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DraftSchmaft
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I would take Marner as a solution for any PP after he scored 0 and so would you. What are you trying to prove?
Jakob paced 20 goals / 82 games from 2019-2021 I'm sure he can scrape some goals on our PP
Not like he has a shot the entire NHL considers elite or anything.
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Put me in the side that would like to see a big point shot added. I’ve been saying that for years now.
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Unless the sport changed to anything besides hockey I also don't see how any team would willingly want to not have a big shot on the backend especially when it's encompassed in a top 4 defencemen.
It's not just a clapper he has, his wrist shot is a laser beam too. It's also not just a shot he has. His total toolset sets us up nicely with Jakob on LHD and Liljegren on RHD. Stop getting so attached to the old guys, the turnover is approaching us soon.
It's not just a clapper he has, his wrist shot is a laser beam too. It's also not just a shot he has. His total toolset sets us up nicely with Jakob on LHD and Liljegren on RHD. Stop getting so attached to the old guys, the turnover is approaching us soon.
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Due to Muzzin being a question mark with respects to his health at his current age, he cannot be considered when acquiring young assets like Jakob. It's not an efficient way to build your team for sustainable success. I would acquire Jakob and worry about the logistics later for guys like Muzzin or even Giordano. That's easier to figure out than pulling off the actual trade for the young Chychruns of the league.
As for the trade value, I'd first like to state I think people are taking the price tag Coyotes put on Jakob last season like some sort of personal attack. Have a vendetta against Jakob now for the audacity Coyotes had for asking for so much. Need to separate this emotion from the player. They are not going to get their original price tag, and the price tag itself stems from a positive place. Jakob was being penciled into the next Olympic team after 2021 and solidifying himself as one of the league's top 2-way defenceman. I would hope if we possessed a similar asset, our starting point would be through the roof. How his 21/22 season ended up playing out was unfortunate.
Anyways, I am pro-give Sandin his Jake Bean deal, but also see how convenient Sandin made it going all in for Jakob, using himself as the central piece.
I would personally do Sandin + 1st + a prospect in Hirvonens tier if all they wanted was young assets and draft capital. If they had visions of making the wild card I'd seal the deal with Kerfoot as well.
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Fogelhund
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I would take Marner as a solution for any PP after he scored 0 and so would you. What are you trying to prove?
Jakob paced 20 goals / 82 games from 2019-2021 I'm sure he can scrape some goals on our PP
That's all well and good, but is he the D man we need? We already have a man to run the PP, and it's been pretty effective, outside of his muffin shot. Jakob has scored what... 17 PP goals in six years? It's not as if this is just a one year thing. Arizona was a bottom three PP team last year with him quarterbacking... and yes, there is far more to it that just him, the team he had to play with was bad.
Noting, RHD might be a need as you say, but he does primarily play RD... and while handedness matters, if he's good on the right side, who cares. I just don't think he's the guy we need, and the cost is incredibly prohibitive, not to mention moving Muzzin. Ulf asked what you are willing to pay, so I'm not going to repeat it. He's been on the market allegedly for almost a year... no takers at the asking price.. this tells me the price is far more than any team in the league believes is worth making a deal. I think we need a RD version of Muzzin, more than anything else.
I doubt he's a good match for Rielly, so we'd be obtaining someone for the second PP, and Sandin is pretty good there anyway, so marginal upgrade..... and for the second pairing... how much do we pay for that?
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The dog days of summer are getting to us... The place that reported the chychrun stuff is from hockeybuzz aka Eklund....
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Sure.. but we all know he's been available for some time, and Leafs fans love big name players, and making big splashes.
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The players that win best D at the WJC have amazing careers. People are sleeping on Sandin and NO Knies being enough to get it done, especially when the player doesn't even want to play for his team (Jakob).
Too much worrying about price tag that it is giving people tunnel vision on the 20-30 goals Jakob would put up as a Leaf. If you believe his ceiling is lower than that I urge you to research our team more.
*okay maybe not 30 lol but I'm putting money on around 20
**I would prefer if 0 of those 20 were on the PP and all his goals were ES, so hey, if he continues that trend of no powerplay goals, even better for us. Win 5v5 in a 7 game series and that series is most likely yours.
Too much worrying about price tag that it is giving people tunnel vision on the 20-30 goals Jakob would put up as a Leaf. If you believe his ceiling is lower than that I urge you to research our team more.
*okay maybe not 30 lol but I'm putting money on around 20
**I would prefer if 0 of those 20 were on the PP and all his goals were ES, so hey, if he continues that trend of no powerplay goals, even better for us. Win 5v5 in a 7 game series and that series is most likely yours.
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ULF_55
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With regards to Muzzin, it is his cap hit that has to be considered.
Rielly-Chychrun 7.5+ 4.6
Muzzin-Brodie 5.6+5
Giordano-Liljegren .8 + 1.4
Holl 2
Kerfoot seems to be the likely Cap to move in some manner, maybe Coyotes take him as part of the deal, where the only value the Leafs receive is the Cap space.
So your suggesion is Sandin, 1st., Tier 2 prospect and Kerfoot.
I'm guessing the Tier 2 prospect would have to be a Tier 1 prospect Robertson / Knies.
Sandin, 1st., Robertson/Knies, Kerfoot.
Kind of like 3 late first round picks. (Robertson/Knies probably equivalent the late 1st. rounders)
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Worth noting that Chychrun is not even a typical PP defenseman. He spends a lot of time in the circle, which allows him to use his shot more effectively.
He is not taking bombs from the blueline or from anywhere where we deploy our defensemen, and in fact, he is usually not the guy quarterbacking the PP. They either have a second defenseman or they get a forward to do it for them.
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Actually might be interesting to keep an eye on Shea Theodore. Vegas isn't exactly a stable organization.
TOR would be a few surprising moves away from adding a notable defenseman - they wouldn't just add one to their current mix. They don't have the cap and it's overkill on something that isn't even a huge need.
If they ended up being in on Chychrun, Muzzin waived his NMC and Sandin is part of the trade.
Rielly, Chychrun, Gio down the left; Brodie, Liljegren, Holl down the right. Mete as the extra
If they ended up being in on Chychrun, Muzzin waived his NMC and Sandin is part of the trade.
Rielly, Chychrun, Gio down the left; Brodie, Liljegren, Holl down the right. Mete as the extra
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I can't see how anyone could argue that this team wouldn't be better with a booming shot from the blueline (especially on the PP).
I also don't understand the people that think Chychrun is the answer to that. A RHD Chychrun I'd love to have, though. But not at the prices people are throwng around here. Chychrun is not prime-Pronger.
I also don't understand the people that think Chychrun is the answer to that. A RHD Chychrun I'd love to have, though. But not at the prices people are throwng around here. Chychrun is not prime-Pronger.
OP threw in Knies to get him. That immediately makes the trade short sighted.
We need a physical power forward top 6 LW more than a staple LHD.
We have Rielly and Sandin who factor to be our top 4 LHD. I still believe Sandin will be better than Jakob.
Chych if he was RHD would be significantly more appealing , but even then I wouldn’t be moving Knies to get him..
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