Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[BertCorbeau]

I find the largely positive reaction to the Huberdeau contract here interesting given how much constant angst there is over Tavares.

Circumstantially it was nice to see Calgary fare well in the end with the Tkachuk situation. I think it's more about that then the contract.

Huberdeau is a top line winger, at his peak. Certainly that contract will not look good over time. The Flames can hope Hubes produces as a PPG+ clip for the majority of it (not far from Tavares).

On top of that Calgary still has Weegar, a 1st, and a B prospect. Re-signing Weegar would tilt this already in favour of the Flames.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I find the largely positive reaction to the Huberdeau contract here interesting given how much constant angst there is over Tavares.

Quite true though Huberdeau put up 1 less assist than JT's career high in points before his contract so definitely a difference in offensive prowess it seems.

 

[ULF_55]

I find the largely positive reaction to the Huberdeau contract here interesting given how much constant angst there is over Tavares.

If projections are correct the bad part for the Flames should be after the Cap has returned to growth.

I think footspeed is the worry about Tavares.

 

[Americanadian]

I find the largely positive reaction to the Huberdeau contract here interesting given how much constant angst there is over Tavares.

I personally think Huberdeau's contract is bad but I also don't think they are comparable for 4 reasons.

1. Huberdeau's production has been significantly higher.

2. Huberdeau will be 2 years older than Tavares was when his contract kicks in.

3. Tavares was paid 13.8% of the cap, Huberdeau will be paid 12.6% of an 83.5M cap (assuming the projected 1M jump happens).

4. Tavares is a C, Huberdeau a winger.

 

[leafsfan5]

Next year's UFA crop of defencemen looks interesting so if Muzzin were to be moved, I suggest off-season, especially to let Sandin develop.

Artem Zub
Dmitry Orlov
Travis Sanheim
Scott Mayfield
Carson Soucy
Mackenzie Weegar
Ryan Graves
Damon Severson

Zub would be really nice, have wanted him for a while now

 

[Duke16]

Is our team making anymore moves this summer no? Is we done yet or is we not? Is the shakespeare question. And whom will move on us if we ain'ts?

Some people act like they are just going to run a 20-man roster and let Sandin sit, but that won't happen. There is still a move to be made and it's Kerfoot and/or Holl

 

[Coachcorner]

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Some people act like they are just going to run a 20-man roster and let Sandin sit, but that won't happen. There is still a move to be made and it's Kerfoot and/or Holl

I'm bout that sire. Lets see what our general manager dubas does during this big cigarillo fired up summer sire. We are all bout our leafs and I'm bout to ligght up a big juicy el jefe on these predictions tonight :sun: :life: :cigar: :lighter: :light:

 

[LeafSteel]

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I'm bout that sire. Lets see what our general manager dubas does during this big cigarillo fired up summer sire. We are all bout our leafs and I'm bout to ligght up a big juicy el jefe on these predictions tonight :sun: :life: :cigar: :lighter: :light:

Coach, usually I am on board with your posts, but this time I feel there is a glaring omission, and I can't let it go.

The correct order is: fire:sun:life:beer:steak;cigar:lighter:light:

 

[John Mandalorian]

You are really stretching the definition of a "blunder" on the vast majority of those.

Foligno was a blunder (one that Sakic was just as prepared to make if Foligno decided to go with Colorado instead of us mind you). If you really want to be picky, you can count Mrazek even though what he went through was out of nowhere given his history.

Another major blunder that you failed to recognize with Colorado: They can't draft for crap. Sure, they were able to get MacKinnon, Rantanen, Makar, and Byram... With 3 top 4 overall picks and a tenth overall pick in a stacked draft. Helleson and Barron were able to be used in trades, so not bad, and Newhook is also looking fine as a mid-first round guy. But given the amount of picks they had, especially early on when they were rebuilding, Sakic hasn't been able to develop anything internally and has whiffed on a ton of picks (Jost and Bleackley being the headliners, with Kaut possibly joining them unless he takes a massive step in the next few years).

They drafted Butcher, but he didn't even sign with them and he only really had one good year. The only guys they have really developed internally were either guys they traded for (like Compher and Girard) or guys they signed in UFA (Kerfoot and O'Connor)... And even those are far and few between.

Sakic's trading has just been good enough, and he has inherited enough high end assets, where his poor drafting record did not matter.

Sorry for the intrusion but there's lot that's getting missed here. A lot of it's directionally correct though.

But regarding the Foligno rumor. It's extremely unlikely that Sakic would have even come close to considering trading the first. If the Avs were being floated by Seravelli, it's most likely that Columbus was trying to manipulate Dubas into paying more. The only time Sakic has ever traded a first was last summer when his back was up against the wall with the way the goalie situation unfolded. Sakic holds onto firsts with a deathgrip otherwise. He routinely trades 2nds however.

Another item that pours cold water on the Avs being in on Foligno for a first rumor is that, when the Avs traded Barron for Lehkonen, Sakic made a point to say that they were only willing to pay that because Lehkonen wasn't a rental. Foligno was a rental.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Sorry for the intrusion but there's lot that's getting missed here. A lot of it's directionally correct though.

But regarding the Foligno rumor. It's extremely unlikely that Sakic would have even come close to considering trading the first. If the Avs were being floated by Seravelli, it's most likely that Columbus was trying to manipulate Dubas into paying more. The only time Sakic has ever traded a first was last summer when his back was up against the wall with the way the goalie situation unfolded. Sakic holds onto firsts with a deathgrip otherwise. He routinely trades 2nds however.

Another item that pours cold water on the Avs being in on Foligno for a first rumor is that, when the Avs traded Barron for Lehkonen, Sakic made a point to say that they were only willing to pay that because Lehkonen wasn't a rental. Foligno was a rental.

Dubas has publicly said the same thing about not paying premium assets for rentals, and other than Foligno, has not traded those kind of assets for rentals.

He said Foligno was an exception given the Covid year.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Dubas has publicly said the same thing about not paying premium assets for rentals, and other than Foligno, has not traded those kind of assets for rentals.

He said Foligno was an exception given the Covid year.

OK, well here's another distinction: Sakic has mostly avoided the "bad" contracts. He's never outbid another team for a prized free agent. You brought up the drafting. It's not entirely wrong but you also have to be fair and realize that he has maybe had a 2nd round pick half of the time.

He's used his 2nd round picks to draft: Grubauer (1), Burakovsky (1), and Toews (2). Each was acquired using 2nd round picks. Unless I'm forgetting someone, that's 4. Recently, their 2nd round picks have been decent though (eg Timmins and Helleson).

Something that you neglected to mention is that he was too respectful to what was there when he took over. Stastny pulled a Gadreau on him. ROR got with Newport because he didn't want to sign for an amount under the "Duchene Cap" (which was a thing at the time). Getting burned on these were lessons learned however, and was partly the impetus for the Barrie-Kadri trade. You mentioned, Bleackley. That was a Pracey pick, who Sakic inherited. Pracey was summarily terminated when Bleackley showed up fat and out of shape. You mentioned taking Rantanen 10th in a strong draft. But Jost and Kaut were drafted in less than strong drafts.

I think Dubas does a better job than many give him credit for especially considering he has to work around the Tavares contract.

 

[Coachcorner]

Coach, usually I am on board with your posts, but this time I feel there is a glaring omission, and I can't let it go.

The correct order is: fire:sun:life:beer:steak;cigar:lighter:light:

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[jaric1862]

I hate that it's Rielly who likely has to move to the right side because some punk who's barely played in the NHL is throwing a temper tantrum.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I hate that it's Rielly who likely has to move to the right side because some punk who's barely played in the NHL is throwing a temper tantrum.

there is still plenty of time for the off-season. something will have to give.

 

[ACC1224]

I hate that it's Rielly who likely has to move to the right side because some punk who's barely played in the NHL is throwing a temper tantrum.

Who are you referring to?

 

[Byron Bitz]

Who are you referring to?

Sandin

 

[TML Dynasty]

The Leafs’ strategy was sound, if not a gamble by nature. Nobody saw Covid and a flat cap coming. If not for the flat cap and all that garbage, I absolutely trust they had a solid plan to supplement the core with impactful pieces to get the job done, or at least get a lot closer than we have.

Can this group weather the storm long enough to see a significant rise in the cap, allowing them to add more, not just around the edges? That remains to be seen.

This!! So much of this!! How on earth can u compare Dubas getting sucker punched with a flat cap and compare him to other gms who didnt go through same things during their "rebuilds". The arguments here can get crazy sometimes. We need some news soon..... too much Burke, Kadri, Lou nonsense

 

[al secord]

Is our team making anymore moves this summer no? Is we done yet or is we not? Is the shakespeare question. And whom will move on us if we ain'ts?

Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow.

 

[Stephen]

I find the largely positive reaction to the Huberdeau contract here interesting given how much constant angst there is over Tavares.

Huberdeau has 346 points in 286 games over the past 4 years for a 1.21 PPG, which is roughly 100 points per 82 games.

Tavares has 276 points in 280 games over the past 4 years for a 0.98 PPG, which is roughly 80 points per 82 games.

 

[Stephen]

The Leafs’ strategy was sound, if not a gamble by nature. Nobody saw Covid and a flat cap coming. If not for the flat cap and all that garbage, I absolutely trust they had a solid plan to supplement the core with impactful pieces to get the job done, or at least get a lot closer than we have.

Can this group weather the storm long enough to see a significant rise in the cap, allowing them to add more, not just around the edges? That remains to be seen.

I would say the Leafs strategy was *superficially* sound. Ignoring the Force Majeure of the entire pandemic and flat cap, the pursuit of the biggest free agent fish to accelerate the rebuild was correct. But in many aspects, we've learned that John Tavares specifically isn't the best fit from a style POV, especially if you've abandoned the idea of pairing Marner with him. You drop him onto a roster like the St. Louis Blues, I think it works better.

 

[Gallagbi]

Circumstantially it was nice to see Calgary fare well in the end with the Tkachuk situation. I think it's more about that then the contract.

Huberdeau is a top line winger, at his peak. Certainly that contract will not look good over time. The Flames can hope Hubes produces as a PPG+ clip for the majority of it (not far from Tavares).

On top of that Calgary still has Weegar, a 1st, and a B prospect. Re-signing Weegar would tilt this already in favour of the Flames.

I dont love the deal for Calgary, it was the tougher choice but with their two stars departing they should have loaded up on picks and rebuilt this year.

Instead they are tied to a 30year old for 8 years. To, hopefully, match their season last year.

Reminds me of Buffalo matching that offer sheet after Drury/Briere left years ago

 

[hamzarocks]

Huberdeau has 346 points in 286 games over the past 4 years for a 1.21 PPG, which is roughly 100 points per 82 games.

Tavares has 276 points in 280 games over the past 4 years for a 0.98 PPG, which is roughly 80 points per 82 games.

JT has 276 in his past 280? Damm feels like he was closer to 75 per 82 than almost 82 per 82

He honestly produces a lot for a giu you don't notice much.

Not in the playoffs of course with 14 pts in 20 as a leaf but in the reg season I didn't realize he'd put up that many pts

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Tavares contract > huberdeau. We had Tavares since age 27 and his overall impact kills huberdeaus.. Man this board is full of rookies giving me a headache

 

[Cor]

Tavares contract > huberdeau. We had Tavares since age 27 and his overall impact kills huberdeaus.. Man this board is full of rookies giving me a headache

I personally enjoy the constant back and forth of MOAR SIZE and THAT CONTRACT IS BETTER THAN OURS

 

[justashadowof]

Sandin

None of us know what is happening on this front. We don't know what he's been offered, what he's asking for, whether or not there's agreement in place waiting on another transaction to take place, etc. We can only speculate about it.