Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[kb]

The rules changes after he signed his contract, it's the lower of the last year of salary or 120% of the AAV. Under the new rules his QO is 7.2 IIRC.

That's odd because Cap Friendly has his QO listed at $10 million.

 

[Martin Skoula]

That's odd because Cap Friendly has his QO listed at $10 million.

I could be wrong and the pre-2020 ones got grandfathered in under the old rules. Barzal just signed for under his QO under the old rules so I assumed it wasn't grandfathered in.

 

[kb]

I could be wrong and the pre-2020 ones got grandfathered in under the old rules. Barzal just signed for under his QO under the old rules so I assumed it wasn't grandfathered in.

Honestly, I was just going off Cap Friendly. What you said sounded plausible.

 

[Menzinger]

I would lean towards keeping Knies over Robertson due to projectibility. Knies seems like he could fill a Hyman type role whereas Robertson is a little bit more TBD in terms of what his role would be. So if you could sell high, do it.

Imo I don't think the team should consider moving either. Younger skilled (cheap) forwards are going to be one of the teams bigger needs in the next 2-3 seasons

 

[Stephen]

Imo I don't think the team should consider moving either. Younger skilled (cheap) forwards are going to be one of the teams bigger needs in the next 2-3 seasons

I think it really depends on the return with Robertson.

 

[TMLAM34]

I was onboard keeping Engvall, hoping he can take it up a notch this season but he’s done nothing but disappoint. Not worth his 2.25 million dollar deal. Wouldn’t be upset if he were moved to clear up cap space and acquire a draft pick. Steeves is someone I think can replace him.

 

[JTK1967]

I was onboard keeping Engvall, hoping he can take it up a notch this season but he’s done nothing but disappoint. Not worth his 2.25 million dollar deal. Wouldn’t be upset if he were moved to clear up cap space and acquire a draft pick. Steeves is someone I think can replace him.

A few podcasts have said it, but you need to figure out how to get this guy to play mad.
With his size and speed, if he was 'angry' forechecking he could become a destroyer of worlds.

 

[ACC1224]

A few podcasts have said it, but you need to figure out how to get this guy to play mad.
With his size and speed, if he was 'angry' forechecking he could become a destroyer of worlds.

Not going to happen.

 

[TMLAM34]

I wonder what St. Louis would want for Barbashev. Would slot in nicely next to Tavares and Nylander IMO. Even Buchnevich would look real good here.

 

[Field of Dreams]

Connor Murphy is at the top of my wishlist. He is on a 4 year deal at a team friendly price, plays the right side, and his game is stylistically a great fit to replace muzzin. Imagine a shutdown pairing of Brodie - Murphy?

 

[Zookeeper]

Connor Murphy is at the top of my wishlist. He is on a 4 year deal at a team friendly price, plays the right side, and his game is stylistically a great fit to replace muzzin. Imagine a shutdown pairing of Brodie - Murphy?

Agreed love his style of play.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Connor Murphy is at the top of my wishlist. He is on a 4 year deal at a team friendly price, plays the right side, and his game is stylistically a great fit to replace muzzin. Imagine a shutdown pairing of Brodie - Murphy?

Top 4 RD has been at the top of my list all season, but I am slowly shifting to thinking we may need a top 6 winger more. Kerfoot doesn't belong, and I like Bunting a lot more lower in the line up.

Hierarchy of needs:

1. Top 6 LW
2. Top 4 RD (defence first)
3. 3rd/4th line C

Goalies I feel good about once healthy.

Thoughts anyone?

 

[Fogelhund]

Top 4 RD has been at the top of my list all season, but I am slowly shifting to thinking we may need a top 6 winger more. Kerfoot doesn't belong, and I like Bunting a lot more lower in the line up.

Hierarchy of needs:

1. Top 6 LW
2. Top 4 RD (defence first)
3. 3rd/4th line C

Goalies I feel good about once healthy.

Thoughts anyone?

We've got LW coming... Robertson, Knies, maybe Amirov, Abruzzese, Steeves, Voit, Hirvonon, Holmberg.... So I'm not real excited to overpay for a spot, that we should be able to fill internally. At that, if I'm giving up assets, it better be for someone with term. If you look at the teams that are struggling, you've got some decent players, but all of them seem to be struggling, along with their teams.... Vancouver has guys for sale... but not much we could afford... though perhaps we could fit Mikheyev in (ha!)... Seriously though, Comtois is an interesting guy, who has really struggled last year, and this year... I don't know if they are looking to shake things up, but his cap fits. St. Louis is struggling BADLY, and everyone looks bad there right now. Buchnevich would be a nice add, but at $5.8 million, not cheap... I mean we could likely fit it in, but it's tight, and that would mean no upgrades elsewhere. Anyway, I'm not sold on adding at LW, until we know more about our list of prospects, and where they are going... it's our position of greatest depth in the prospect system.

I'd lean towards RD... plenty of potential options. Murphy, Peeke, Parayko are guys on struggling teams...

Goalies... I'm not sure about yet..

But bottom line, I think we wait and see what works for us, if our team is good enough, if Matthews can get his scoring touch back... I mean, I'm ok adding a long-term piece, but not a short-term, if the team doesn't take a few steps forward themselves.

 

[Field of Dreams]

Top 4 RD has been at the top of my list all season, but I am slowly shifting to thinking we may need a top 6 winger more. Kerfoot doesn't belong, and I like Bunting a lot more lower in the line up.

Hierarchy of needs:

1. Top 6 LW
2. Top 4 RD (defence first)
3. 3rd/4th line C

Goalies I feel good about once healthy.

Thoughts anyone?

We certainly need some improvement on the wings, and it looks like we will have decent cap flexibility to do so even after finding a Muzzin replacement since each game Murray spends on LTIR we gain $57,000 in cap.

The winger we should target is someone who can score, but also brings speed and grit. Perhaps Jason Zucker at the deadline (with retention) if the penguins fall out of the playoffs?

 

[TMLAM34]

At the end of the day, any upgrade whether it’s adding a top six winger, a top four defenceman or that third line center would be a huge upgrade.

Ideally Dubas is working the phones nice and early. The earlier a trade happens, the more time that player has to adjust and build chemistry with his new teammates.

Knies will be a nice addition once Minnesotas season comes to an end. Hopefully Dubas is keeping that in mind, I’d like to see Knies inserted into the lineup in a position where he can succeed. A top six position may be asking a lot from him early on, especially heading into the playoffs and hopefully Keefe doesn’t slot him on the fourth line playing with Kampf and Aston Reese… This is where that third line center is pretty important IMO. Someone like Laughton would be ideal. Knies - Laughton - Jarnkrok.

The only way I’d be okay with moving Robertson is if we’re getting a top six winger in return that has some term left on his contract.

 

[Fogelhund]

We certainly need some improvement on the wings, and it looks like we will have decent cap flexibility to do so even after finding a Muzzin replacement since each game Murray spends on LTIR we gain $57,000 in cap.

The winger we should target is someone who can score, but also brings speed and grit. Perhaps Jason Zucker at the deadline (with retention) if the penguins fall out of the playoffs?

You don't gain cap, when someone is on LTIR.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Bottom 6 center is probably the biggest need, assuming no injuries and a guy like Kerfoot, Jarnkrok, or Holmberg can't secure the spot.

 

[Field of Dreams]

You don't gain cap, when someone is on LTIR.

Isn't that how the lightning were able to exceed the cap by 18m dollars?

 

[Fogelhund]

Isn't that how the lightning were able to exceed the cap by 18m dollars?

No.

 

[Kurtz]

You don't gain cap, when someone is on LTIR.

You don't accrue cap space for TDL, but you do effectively open up the cap space of the person on LTIR.

What the Lightning did is kept Kucherov on LTIR until the post-season, where the cap no longer applies (for some reason).

Theoretically, we can do exactly the same thing with Muzzin...although he's unlikely to be effective in the playoffs if he misses the whole regular season.

 

[TMLAM34]

Bottom 6 center is probably the biggest need, assuming no injuries and a guy like Kerfoot, Jarnkrok, or Holmberg can't secure the spot.

I think a third line center and a fourth line left wing would be good additions to the bottom six. Laughton as the third line center with the internal addition of Knies would be good. Not sure who would be a good fourth line left wing to play with Kampf and Malgin. I also got to give it to you, Malgin has played great next to Kampf IMO and provides some good offence in that bottom six. Aston-Reese hasn’t looked bad either but it’s a spot I wouldn’t be opposed to upgrading on.

Knies - Laughton - Jarnkrok
________ - Kampf - Malgin

 

[Fogelhund]

I think a third line center and a fourth line left wing would be good additions to the bottom six. Laughton as the third line center with the internal addition of Knies would be good. Not sure who would be a good fourth line left wing to play with Kampf and Malgin. I also got to give it to you, Malgin has played great next to Kampf IMO and provides some good offence in that bottom six. Aston-Reese hasn’t looked bad either but it’s a spot I wouldn’t be opposed to upgrading on.

Knies - Laughton - Jarnkrok
________ - Kampf - Malgin

Why Laughton though? What am I missing when looking at him, that makes him an attractive 3C? Looks like a $3 mil, 4C to me, and we've already got a 4C cheaper. I don't mind the defensive strength, and physicality, but if you are going to upgrade the position, I think you'd want a little more offense.

 

[arso40]

Why Laughton though? What am I missing when looking at him, that makes him an attractive 3C? Looks like a $3 mil, 4C to me, and we've already got a 4C cheaper. I don't mind the defensive strength, and physicality, but if you are going to upgrade the position, I think you'd want a little more offense.

Rather kampf as third line center and holmberg as fourth line center time to use the marlins to fill holes we have and then trade for what we can’t fill like top 4 right shot or move brodie bacc to the ride side and move sandin bacc to his natural side and holl on third pair

 

[TMLAM34]

Why Laughton though? What am I missing when looking at him, that makes him an attractive 3C? Looks like a $3 mil, 4C to me, and we've already got a 4C cheaper. I don't mind the defensive strength, and physicality, but if you are going to upgrade the position, I think you'd want a little more offense.

He’s definitely not a fourth line center. He’s good for 30-35 points, brings size, physicality, sticks up for his teammates, plays hard every shift, is good on the draws and can kill penalties. Hard not to like Laughton and want him on your team IMO. Seems like Laughton is what everyone wishes Engvall would be with his size.

Matthews, Tavares, Laughton, and Kampf would be insane depth at the center position.

 

[LeafEgo]

Top 4 RD has been at the top of my list all season, but I am slowly shifting to thinking we may need a top 6 winger more. Kerfoot doesn't belong, and I like Bunting a lot more lower in the line up.

Hierarchy of needs:

1. Top 6 LW
2. Top 4 RD (defence first)
3. 3rd/4th line C

Goalies I feel good about once healthy.

Thoughts anyone?

AM/MM and JT/WN need to be able to produce with most any middling type wingers, particularly given the cap hits.

If the thinking is that we need a Tarensenko or a Patty Kane to shore up our top 6 we might as well start from scratch.

Muzzies money needs to go to Muzzy or another Muzzy. Have to keep an eye on goaltending. A 3C or bottom 6 role player swap could be a nice to have.