Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[MCR74]

seriously though, the Oilers problems are NOT in scoring, its in stopping other teams from scoring, Karlsson will not help them much in that regard, though maybe they can outscore enough deficiencies to go further... right now they are a wildcard team and 4th in their division. though that division sucks, but, i dont see them match up well vs Dallas/Vegas the rest mostly suck, and for whatever reason Winnipeg cant beat the Oilers

Dubas needs to get us past the real stanley cup contenders TB, Boston, and then Car/NYR ...then hope they arent too broken to get it done. Whichever team makes it out of the East is the favorite.
top team in the west is Dallas, and they would be a wildcard team in the East

Someone on the trade board suggested a Nurse/Karlsson tandem. Now that's a strong defensive pairing if ever there was one.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Friedman is reporting the Leafs are into Laughton and Soucy

Soucy likely isn’t available since Seattle’s in the playoffs

But I’m glad they’re into Laughton. I’ve been interested for a couple of years.

I actually think Soucy is more likely to move. Seattle doesn't seem to have interest in re-signing him and they have a pragmatic front office that might not want to lose players for nothing at this stage. They recently acquired Megna who could be the replacement for this season.

The Philly front office is delusional. They don't seem to have any interest in a rebuild, they think they're close. They do not have good centre depth at all so I think they'd be very reluctant to deal Laughton.

 

[notdoneyet]

We need to replace
Kerfoot no hockey sense. Could have scored 3 goals with marner feeding him last night but hands of stone
Engval so soft for a big man with limited scoring ability
Holl just soft and slow

Use all this cap out to better the team. That’s around 8m plus muzzin cap
You can add a complete skilled third line
Plus a good dman

Hopefully knies can replace one of the above

Id like those guys out and ROR and kane in

Bunting matthews kane
Janrok tavares marner
Knies ROR Nylander
The rest

Id trade anyone not names knies and minten to get it done.

 

[Morgs]

Friedman is reporting the Leafs are into Laughton and Soucy

Soucy likely isn’t available since Seattle’s in the playoffs

But I’m glad they’re into Laughton. I’ve been interested for a couple of years.

Laughton is such a hard player to read for me. He's a good enough 3rd line player who's production is probably a bit high based on what his role would be here, but he's also gone from a promising youngish defensive 3C with a scoring touch to a 1C playing way out of his depth since Philly became a bad team. His underlyings have been real meh the last 2-3 years.

The more I look at him, the more he reminds me of a Kerfoot-like impact with a bigger body. I'd like it depending on price.

 

[leafsfan5]

Friedman is reporting the Leafs are into Laughton and Soucy

Soucy likely isn’t available since Seattle’s in the playoffs

But I’m glad they’re into Laughton. I’ve been interested for a couple of years.

I really wanted Laughton back in the bubble season, he still seems like a good fit. Would love him in the bottom 6

 

[BertCorbeau]

Laughton is such a hard player to read for me. He's a good enough 3rd line player who's production is probably a bit high based on what his role would be here, but he's also gone from a promising youngish defensive 3C with a scoring touch to a 1C playing way out of his depth since Philly became a bad team. His underlyings have been real meh the last 2-3 years.

The more I look at him, the more he reminds me of a Kerfoot-like impact with a bigger body. I'd like it depending on price.

Kerfoot with more physicality would be a nice upgrade. But I agree it depends on cost

 

[Morgs]

Kerfoot with more physicality would be a nice upgrade. But I agree it depends on cost

Yeah he feels like one of those guys your jaw would drop if you heard what Philly wants for him and you'd have to laugh them out of the room.

Like this is what an analyst would describe him as: "Big physical defensive top-6 C that's on pace for 50 points on a bottom-feeder thats signed for 3M for 3.5 more seasons and is only 28". You'd see 30+ coaches' pants get a bit tighter from the description alone.

 

[fahad203]

Kane should not be a target considering the team we have. His skillset is not the one we need.

Lafferty on the other hand should be a target for sure

I would argue Kane is exactly what we need. Kane is type of a player he could score no goals in 80 games and have 4 in one

In game 7 situation Kane is type of the player you want. A game breaker who the other team has to consistently worry. That will free up Tavares and Nylander

Kane is no longer the super star perhaps but still a very lethal threat. His playmaking ability is severly underrated and under appreciated

 

[BertCorbeau]

I would argue Kane is exactly what we need. Kane is type of a player he could score no goals in 80 games and have 4 in one

In game 7 situation Kane is type of the player you want. A game breaker who the other team has to consistently worry. That will free up Tavares and Nylander

Kane is no longer the super star perhaps but still a very lethal threat. His playmaking ability is severly underrated and under appreciated

Good points. For me cost is a big factor.

I see a lot of parallels in Kane and Hall when Hall was a pending UFA, a former elite player that a lot had started to write off. He hasn’t gotten back to that level but he was still a producer.

 

[Fogelhund]

We need to replace
Kerfoot no hockey sense. Could have scored 3 goals with marner feeding him last night but hands of stone
Engval so soft for a big man with limited scoring ability
Holl just soft and slow

Use all this cap out to better the team. That’s around 8m plus muzzin cap
You can add a complete skilled third line
Plus a good dman

Hopefully knies can replace one of the above

Id like those guys out and ROR and kane in

Bunting matthews kane
Janrok tavares marner
Knies ROR Nylander
The rest

Id trade anyone not names knies and minten to get it done.

You complain about Kerfoot and Engvall's scoring abilities, and replace him with RoR, who puts up points at a lesser rate than either, and a NCAA unknown quantity... I mean I like Knies as a prospect as much as anybody, but these guys currently on the team, are actually pretty productive.

I'm not a big fan of Kerfoot's by any stretch, but he's become a whipping boy for and the group thought doesn't actually match with his play. You take last nights game, he was quite good, and usually is. But certain events, like that horrific drop pass stick in people's minds, and then no evidence to the contrary can change their minds. Same is true of Holl, who is quite good.

We run Kampf, a 4C, with 3C minutes... to play the matchup game. He's pretty good at it, but he is the guy who kills the offense, when you pair him with Kerfoot, Engvall, Jarnkrok... whomever. That's the thing though... are you going to go out and get a RoR, and give him 4th line minutes, because we are playing matchup with Kampf?

Engvall has actually been pretty good this year, especially lately. Frankly, I would have given him a shot on the second line, just to see how he could do. Given his size, and fitness regime, you'd wish he'd show more physicality for sure.

Holmberg is putting up some impressive numbers for the minutes he's getting, and should be getting more minutes. With some work in the faceoff circle, and more experience, I think we've got ourselves a pretty good 3C for the future. Pairing him with an Engvall and Jarnkrok has lead to an effective line.

Running Kampf with ZAR, and McMann has also been effective. Honestly, you'll never expect them to score, but there is some good defence there, and some physicality as well... McMann isn't a small boy. I'd start Knies there, and see about a swap with Engvall, if he shows he can perform. If he performs, move him with Jarnkrok and Holmberg.. Engvall has also been decent with Kampf.

Which brings us back to Kerfoot, and the second line. Kerfoot is ok for what we pay him, and he outperforms others on a similar contract... but I don't think that's good enough for us. He's the most replaceable guy on the lineup. But, it's go big, or don't bother. It's a Meier, a Crouse. Comtois early in his career looked like he would be it too... and he's actually scored at a greater rate than Crouse over their careers, so if neither of those guys are available, we could always try that... though Comtois has had a couple of down years. He's still young, very physical, and can score goals in the right situation.

 

[Menzinger]

This is bizarre. Is this just specific to Knies because some Leaf fans are being ridiculous because they don't think Knies would want to play on the league's marquee franchise with his idol, or is this a blanket statement about anyone drafted from college?

It's incredibly confusing to me. That a guy will apparently cost himself hundreds of thousands of dollars and purposely harm his own development just to stick it to the Leafs for "reasons".

The college guys who hit free agency are always slower developers - which is not the case for Knies who would be expected to make.thr NHL right away in some capacity.

This stuff is just misguided worry for the sake of worrying about something

 

[Kiwi]

Good points. For me cost is a big factor.

I see a lot of parallels in Kane and Hall when Hall was a pending UFA, a former elite player that a lot had started to write off. He hasn’t gotten back to that level but he was still a producer.

Hall was a much younger man at the time

Kane has been a warrior but when you get into your mid 30's and get significant injury issues it's more than likely it's going to effect your performance

It's not like he can add value if he's not scoring, either he scores or he's a liability and I don't see a spot for him on our 1st PP unit either

 

[TorMapleJays]

No he didn't. He asked for less than what Matthews got. He just wanted the amount he had earned, consistent with the history of post-ELC contracts, so I don't know why anybody would expect him to demand more than a contract consistent with UFA contract history this time, when if anything, he's way more likely to give a discount this time.

I hope you’re right.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Hall was a much younger man at the time

Kane has been a warrior but when you get into your mid 30's and get significant injury issues it's more than likely it's going to effect your performance

It's not like he can add value if he's not scoring, either he scores or he's a liability and I don't see a spot for him on our 1st PP unit either

I’m not saying it’s an equal thing, just similar.. former elite player on a bad team with a bad year.

Hall was younger but Kane has a better track record.

What it really comes down to is if Kane’s age and injury have finally slowed him down, or if it’s a case of motive and that a trade would reinvigorate him for a stretch run.

 

[thusk]

I actually think Soucy is more likely to move. Seattle doesn't seem to have interest in re-signing him and they have a pragmatic front office that might not want to lose players for nothing at this stage. They recently acquired Megna who could be the replacement for this season.

The Philly front office is delusional. They don't seem to have any interest in a rebuild, they think they're close. They do not have good centre depth at all so I think they'd be very reluctant to deal Laughton.

About philly is just think laughton are more value for philly than what they can have for him coming from a trade... its okay a rwbuild

You complain about Kerfoot and Engvall's scoring abilities, and replace him with RoR, who puts up points at a lesser rate than either, and a NCAA unknown quantity... I mean I like Knies as a prospect as much as anybody, but these guys currently on the team, are actually pretty productive.

I'm not a big fan of Kerfoot's by any stretch, but he's become a whipping boy for and the group thought doesn't actually match with his play. You take last nights game, he was quite good, and usually is. But certain events, like that horrific drop pass stick in people's minds, and then no evidence to the contrary can change their minds. Same is true of Holl, who is quite good.

We run Kampf, a 4C, with 3C minutes... to play the matchup game. He's pretty good at it, but he is the guy who kills the offense, when you pair him with Kerfoot, Engvall, Jarnkrok... whomever. That's the thing though... are you going to go out and get a RoR, and give him 4th line minutes, because we are playing matchup with Kampf?

Engvall has actually been pretty good this year, especially lately. Frankly, I would have given him a shot on the second line, just to see how he could do. Given his size, and fitness regime, you'd wish he'd show more physicality for sure.

Holmberg is putting up some impressive numbers for the minutes he's getting, and should be getting more minutes. With some work in the faceoff circle, and more experience, I think we've got ourselves a pretty good 3C for the future. Pairing him with an Engvall and Jarnkrok has lead to an effective line.

Running Kampf with ZAR, and McMann has also been effective. Honestly, you'll never expect them to score, but there is some good defence there, and some physicality as well... McMann isn't a small boy. I'd start Knies there, and see about a swap with Engvall, if he shows he can perform. If he performs, move him with Jarnkrok and Holmberg.. Engvall has also been decent with Kampf.

Which brings us back to Kerfoot, and the second line. Kerfoot is ok for what we pay him, and he outperforms others on a similar contract... but I don't think that's good enough for us. He's the most replaceable guy on the lineup. But, it's go big, or don't bother. It's a Meier, a Crouse. Comtois early in his career looked like he would be it too... and he's actually scored at a greater rate than Crouse over their careers, so if neither of those guys are available, we could always try that... though Comtois has had a couple of down years. He's still young, very physical, and can score goals in the right situation.

You hit some good point

And leafs cant change half of his bottom 6 too, they need to find someone who can come and help the player already there to raise their level... need to find the good puzzle piece.. The question is not who leafs need to add to replace engval, kerfoot but who they need to add to get the max of everyone

Coleman was working in tampa because they had Yanni gourde and coleman was a great complement to gourde game. Can see the same with lehkonen in colorado.

I heard the biggest need is a tip le to play in top 6...but jarnkrok, kerfoot engval or kampf don't bring a lot offensivly together... so you stay with the same lack of secomdary scoring

Ror : can only play at 3rd c spot and not sure he can reach out the best of kerfoot/jarnkrok and engval

Bertuzzi : maybe but with injuries its a huge maybe...

Babarshev, not sure and his price look like gonna high...

Its hard to say who but In the list of player available only 1 guy i dont have any doubt who will make everyone around him better

 

[nuck]

I’m not saying it’s an equal thing, just similar.. former elite player on a bad team with a bad year.

Hall was younger but Kane has a better track record.

What it really comes down to is if Kane’s age and injury have finally slowed him down, or if it’s a case of motive and that a trade would reinvigorate him for a stretch run.

With Kane its the health. I have seen no specifics on what might be wrong with him but a bunch of different sources have mentioned him maybe needing to be shut down to get right or even "cleaned up" which I guess is a euphemism for minor surgery. He was an offensive force last season on a toilet team so if he is medically sound the Leafs have to consider him because his value is as low as you could ever hope to pay for right now. If he has some unrepaired damage he is playing through then you probably move on, not because he doesn't make them better, but because there are safer players to invest the club's limited currency in.

He was a Marner last season and I know the team doesn't need another runty forward but he is one year removed from 92 points on a team that could do little to help him. But he has to be healthy.

 

[Gabriel426]

Lots of people here have Kane written off, especially after last night’s game. I wonder how many people will still feel the same way, if he comes out against us in the next game and puts on a show?

If Kane’s hip is going to stop him from being able to play effectively, I don’t see why he would bother gutting it out all season. For the low return he’s going to get Chicago in a trade, it’s just wouldn’t be worth it for him or the Hawks organization.

Nah, I’m thinking that he’s just trying to stay healthy until he gets traded. If that ends up being to the Leafs, there’s no way in my mind, that he’s not going to turn it on and light it up!

That’s why I think Kane is not really injured. I can see he just doesn’t want to go all out bc teams trading for him only care about his playoffs.
I also don’t think Kane and pretty much all players won’t play hurt for their teams just so that team can get a better prospect or pick.

 

[Kiwi]

I’m not saying it’s an equal thing, just similar.. former elite player on a bad team with a bad year.

Hall was younger but Kane has a better track record.

What it really comes down to is if Kane’s age and injury have finally slowed him down, or if it’s a case of motive and that a trade would reinvigorate him for a stretch run.

I don't really care about his track record, I want to know what he's capable of now and motivation doesn't makes your body do the things it used to be able to do when you were younger without the injuries

He would have to be unbelievably cheap before I'd trade for him, that cap hit combined with current performance are gigantic red flags

 

[thusk]

That’s why I think Kane is not really injured. I can see he just doesn’t want to go all out bc teams trading for him only care about his playoffs.
I also don’t think Kane and pretty much all players won’t play hurt for their teams just so that team can get a better prospect or pick.

and i will add

1-The guy is not sure if he will waive is NMC, so where is he benefit to tell publicly than his injury is overrated?

I don't really care about his track record, I want to know what he's capable of now and motivation doesn't makes your body do the things it used to be able to do when you were younger without the injuries

He would have to be unbelievably cheap before I'd trade for him, that cap hit combined with current performance are gigantic red flags

I didn't saw a player hurt by injury or his 34 last 2 game i see him, i saw a player with a huge lack of motivation to play hard every shift in a team whos tried to do everything they can to tank for bedard lotery

 

[Nhlpowerweek]

Nhl insider now is leaking that overheard kane to Toronto traded. This is trending at facebook. Cant link it but hooked on hockey and the other one. Think it was the maple leafs daily thang. Yeah it was the daily maple leafs. *broadcaster overheard them at pressbox*

 

[Peace Frog]

I don't really care about his track record, I want to know what he's capable of now and motivation doesn't makes your body do the things it used to be able to do when you were younger without the injuries

He would have to be unbelievably cheap before I'd trade for him, that cap hit combined with current performance are gigantic red flags

Last year he had 92pts. He’s not washed up yet. He’s one of the greatest big game players and if he were playing with Matthews, you can bet that there will be magic made!

This is the perfect time to trade for Kane. His value is at the lowest and it would still allow the Leafs to go after other targets. With what the cost would be to acquire Kane at double retention, we’d still have the assets to go after Meier even.

Who is going to be able to stop the insane firepower we’d have with both of them in the lineup???

 

[horner]

Austin Watson Ottawa 1.5 mil cap hit
Big likes to hit reliable 2 way player skate well for his size

 

[BayStBullies]

Nhl insider now is leaking that overheard kane to Toronto traded. This is trending at facebook. Cant link it but hooked on hockey and the other one. Think it was the maple leafs daily thang. Yeah it was the daily maple leafs. *broadcaster overheard them at pressbox*

You think something that big would happen without a single legitimate source reporting?

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I'd be happy with any of Meier, Bertuzzi, Barbashev, or Domi as additions on the wing in that order.

 

[rojac]

Friedman is reporting the Leafs are into Laughton and Soucy

Soucy likely isn’t available since Seattle’s in the playoffs

But I’m glad they’re into Laughton. I’ve been interested for a couple of years.

Actually, he didn't. He mentioned them as players that he thought the Leafs could be into based on the way they play and previous interest by the Leafs. It was clearly speculation and not a report of interest.