Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[IPS]

you won't find a bigger Patrick Kane fan than me but come on, we are completely the wrong fit for him.

How do you look down our lineup and conclude that adding another small scoring winger is what's going to get us over the hump?

I get it the D market is terrible this year, but you have to be wise with your assets no matter what.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I don’t remember anything of the sort. I recall reports being that his 8 year price was in the McDavid territory. There’s simply no way his 8 year ask was more than $2M per higher than McDavid one offseason later

McDavid territory would be less than 1 million more for 3 UFA years. If that was the ask there is no way he isn't signed to 8 years right now. Maybe 15 was too much but Bob Mack said it was looking at 13.5+ million minimum on an 8 year deal:

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[Sypher04]

McDavid territory would be less than 1 million more for 3 UFA years. If that was the ask there is no way he isn't signed to 8 years right now. Maybe 15 was too much but Bob Mack said it was looking at 13.5+ million minimum on an 8 year deal:

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A year later I’d have pegged McDavid money around $13M, so that makes sense. People still believed at that time that the cap was going up, and significantly

 

[Ziggdiezan]

A year later I’d have pegged McDavid money around $13M, so that makes sense. People still believed at that time that the cap was going up

I'm not sure if the cap rose that much (as the article was saying). He was basically asking for more than McDavid got, from what I remember (could easily be wrong) McDavid took less AAV so that likely contributed though

 

[AvroArrow]

you won't find a bigger Patrick Kane fan than me but come on, we are completely the wrong fit for him.

How do you look down our lineup and conclude that adding another small scoring winger is what's going to get us over the hump?

I get it the D market is terrible this year, but you have to be wise with your assets no matter what.

He won 3 cups and a Conn Smythe, and had a legitimate case for 3 Conn Smythes. I don't think size is a problem with him. A second playmaking winger is exactly what we need. Whoever Marner plays with blows up and the other guy suffers. If we could have something like Kane + Matthews and Marner + Tavares, it gives you a legitimate elite playmaker with a legitimate elite finisher on both lines.

I've been wanting Kane for our top 6 pretty much all year. Go look at our playoff losses, even just last year. Defense was not the issue. We were the far better team, we got f***ed by the officials but if we had slightly more scoring we still would've won. The entire team has bought into the idea of playing a complete 200ft game.

The biggest priority for me is a top 6 winger, second biggest priority is a top 4D.

 

[IPS]

He won 3 cups and a Conn Smythe, and had a legitimate case for 3 Conn Smythes. I don't think size is a problem with him. A second playmaking winger is exactly what we need. Whoever Marner plays with blows up and the other guy suffers. If we could have something like Kane + Matthews and Marner + Tavares, it gives you a legitimate elite playmaker with a legitimate elite finisher on both lines.

I've been wanting Kane for our top 6 pretty much all year. Go look at our playoff losses, even just last year. Defense was not the issue. We were the far better team, we got f***ed by the officials but if we had slightly more scoring we still would've won. The entire team has bought into the idea of playing a complete 200ft game.

The biggest priority for me is a top 6 winger, second biggest priority is a top 4D.

I'd agree with you if this was the 2010-2015 Kane.

It isn't, this is 34 year old Kane who's much older. And I really question the motivation to put it all on the line again in the playoffs. Like you said, the guy already has 3 cups. I could easily see him mentally checking out if things get tough in the playoffs.

 

[WTFMAN99]

That could be a decrease in AAV for Matthews so I wouldn't expect that. Hopefully they realize that they won't get to play together (and are good friends) if they both go after every dollar.

Can't really move Matthews with his contract clause in the last year so how that negotiation is handled will effect the franchise for the next like decade

I'd be trading him at the draft before he has trade protection, I would have gone to the 5-8 years at 12-13.5M and if it doesn't get done, he's traded that weekend. Can't let him walk for nothing.

If you liquidate and do well on the returns, you can maybe get things turned around in a couple of years.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

The Leafs could offer Knies, Sandin and 2 1sts and the Devils could say hold my beer and send a better offer.

I guess that is contingent on if the Devils truly want him. But in this case, it would have to be an overpay to beat out the Devils whether they want him or whether the Sharks use the Devils as leverage.

Timo Mier might be the only trade I would be like okay I understand why Knies was given up.

In Alberta, go to any Toyota dealership and look at the price of used Rav4's and then check out the price of new ones.

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Same here in New brunswick. Was around 60K.

 

[DarkKnight]

Kampf is not a valuable depth guy. It is not that tough or expensive to acquire defensive players with zero offense and the risk of losing him should have no impact on bigger moves. Bunting is another story but the idea of being hesitant on acquiring Timo Meier because we're worried about re-signing David Kampf is ridiculous.

He hasn’t scored in 26 games, sure he’s good defensively, but this idea he’s irreplaceable I don’t get at all. He gets a free pass on here, for me he doesn’t do enough in the 3 hole, he escapes scrutiny because the other lines do it all. Shutdown fine, but you have to contribute too. He walks, it isn’t the end of the world that’s for sure. Bunting, as you say, a totally different loss.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Regardless, with Nylander having one season left on his deal, he will be looked upon as a rental anyway, so to extract maximum value he would have to be traded away at this deadline.

Funny you post this, I was just thinking about the same thing. Trade value of Nylander in the summer, vs trade value. Summer value is greater for sure, but not by much would be my guess.

Curious what the contracts for Lily and Sandin looked like? Might be able to make it through a year but when Matthews and Marner need new contracts soon after I dont know how you fit in Matthews, Marner, Nylander, JT and Meier and still ice a decent team outside of the top 6. Obviously if JT is resigned it will free up like 5 million dollars or something like that but I imagine that will be eaten by other extensions

The answer always seems to be Kerfoot. No matter who the player is, what the contract is, the answer is always Kerfoot. But then you look at the bolded and realize hmm, there's only one Kerfoot ...

 

[WTFMAN99]

He hasn’t scored in 26 games, sure he’s good defensively, but this idea he’s irreplaceable I don’t get at all. He gets a free pass on here, for me he doesn’t do enough in the 3 hole, he escapes scrutiny because the other lines do it all. Shutdown fine, but you have to contribute too. He walks, it isn’t the end of the world that’s for sure. Bunting, as you say, a totally different loss.

Blueger is a guy that I see getting free from Pittsburgh, he could take on a similar role here, him and ZAR have chemistry, maybe re-sign ZAR and add in Blueger for 1-2 years, Kampf loss nullified.

 

[Kurtz]

I'd agree with you if this was the 2010-2015 Kane.

It isn't, this is 34 year old Kane who's much older. And I really question the motivation to put it all on the line again in the playoffs. Like you said, the guy already has 3 cups. I could easily see him mentally checking out if things get tough in the playoffs.

This is a very peculiar supposition given that you're talking about one of the best playoff performers of all time. He's 45th all time in playoff scoring. You don't reach the kinds of heights that he's reached by not caring. Even in his last playoff run, in 2020, well after leading his team to 3 cups, he put up 9 points in 9 games.

Players like that don't check out of a playoff series.

 

[Dekes For Days]

McDavid territory would be less than 1 million more for 3 UFA years.

No it wouldn't. You're looking at cap hit when the only thing that matters is cap hit percentage. McDavid negotiated 17.67% and then took a discount down to 16.67%.

 

[Gilmour1996]

This is a very peculiar supposition given that you're talking about one of the best playoff performers of all time. He's 45th all time in playoff scoring. You don't reach the kinds of heights that he's reached by not caring. Even in his last playoff run, in 2020, well after leading his team to 3 cups, he put up 9 points in 9 games.

Players like that don't check out of a playoff series.

Too 1-dimensional. I'd rather have a bigger player who plays heavier with an outstanding defensive game who can score the odd goal and make room for the scorers we already have. Red flag also is that there is not much of a bidding war for Kane's services and he doesn't seem very flexible where he goes. Only if price is very low would I welcome him here.

 

[OVO16]

you won't find a bigger Patrick Kane fan than me but come on, we are completely the wrong fit for him.

How do you look down our lineup and conclude that adding another small scoring winger is what's going to get us over the hump?

I get it the D market is terrible this year, but you have to be wise with your assets no matter what.

This x100

 

[Torontonian]

This is a very peculiar supposition given that you're talking about one of the best playoff performers of all time. He's 45th all time in playoff scoring. You don't reach the kinds of heights that he's reached by not caring. Even in his last playoff run, in 2020, well after leading his team to 3 cups, he put up 9 points in 9 games.

Players like that don't check out of a playoff series.

My thoughts exactly, these are professional athletes, they got to where they are because they are driven by winning and being the best at their craft, not to mention he’s been playing meaningless hockey for 3 years now…

Keep in mind, Kane might not be a rental either, very possible if he wants to compete, he signs a 3 year deal for 5m or so per year.

 

[AvroArrow]

I'd agree with you if this was the 2010-2015 Kane.

It isn't, this is 34 year old Kane who's much older. And I really question the motivation to put it all on the line again in the playoffs. Like you said, the guy already has 3 cups. I could easily see him mentally checking out if things get tough in the playoffs.

Fair point, I just think a 34 year old Kane is better than most options. He's just 1 season removed from scoring 92 points. I don't think he has declined that significantly in 1 year, I know there's some injury trouble but he would be literally going from worst supporting cast in the league to the best supporting cast.

 

[kb]

My thoughts exactly, these are professional athletes, they got to where they are because they are driven by winning and being the best at their craft, not to mention he’s been playing meaningless hockey for 3 years now…

Keep in mind, Kane might not be a rental either, very possible if he wants to compete, he signs a 3 year deal for 5m or so per year.

So the solution is the new Marleau with a corresponding contract?

He's literally the last player they should resign to that dollar amount.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Say what you will about going for players who are not garaunteed healthy, we’re in same page there (both Kane and ROR have been hurt by most accounts) but O’Rielly is absolutely not Foligno.

Fair. Both Kane and O’Reilly are a step above Hall and Foligno.

 

[hamzarocks]

Mikey Anderson is basically what I hoped Dermott would become.

Modern mobile shutdown D with surprising physicality. For some reason, Dermott’s physicality just slowly disappeared. He was one of the better hip checkers in the OHL/AHL. Too bad he was made of glass and prone to brutal decision making errors.

Leafs don't develope d-men wel

Percy, Finn, Blecker from the old management

Nielsen, Dermott

Sandin and Lilijgren both took quite some time and didn't hit off until their 5th and 6th post draft year

Rielly and Gardiner also as two guys who could have been developed better and helped to improve tbe flaws in their defensive games rather then reinforce them

 

[kb]

Fair point, I just think a 34 year old Kane is better than most options. He's just 1 season removed from scoring 92 points. I don't think he has declined that significantly in 1 year, I know there's some injury trouble but he would be literally going from worst supporting cast in the league to the best supporting cast.

They were near the bottom of the league last season, too.

Not much has changed except the player's age and health, and both are trending in the wrong direction. Adding a tiny F that needs to be heavily sheltered and is not at 100% health is not what the Leafs need.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Just watched knies' interview. Not to confident he'll sign after the frozen four. Here's the link.

 

[Americanadian]

Giving up a 1st for a rental, Kane included, should be a non-starter. Giving up a 1st for Kane and then re-signing him is a near guarantee to be a bad contract. The Leafs are better off using any assets they want to deal for Kane and acquiring a player in their prime with team control.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Leafs don't develope d-men wel

4 out of our 6 defensemen were internally developed.

 

[notdoneyet]

You can't put together a competitive team with Matthews taking up 15M, Marner will ask for the same and if he doesn't get it, he walks.

So 2 players eating 30M of 95-100M cap?

Greed.

Can yiu please send me the lottery numbers

No one knows what they ask for
Decisions will be made if things make sense

Why worry about something 2/3 years from now. Things change