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Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

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Fogelhund said:
Miller... no. Demko, maybe that's an offseason conversation.. but he really hasn't played well this year, and I get the team has struggled, and I'd expect him to rebound, but I'm not sure that's the gamble I'd take right now.
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You sure? Seems like Dubas is all in. Adding Miller and Demko would be absolutely insane.
 
So that's Washington waiving the white flag on this season, though more of a retool, gathering assets for UFA's, than anything else. I wouldn't expect them to sell off core pieces (Wilson) that aren't UFA though.
 
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Fogelhund said:
So that's Washington waiving the white flag on this season, though more of a retool, gathering assets for UFA's, than anything else. I wouldn't expect them to sell off core pieces (Wilson) that aren't UFA though.
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Smart. They still have a strong core of players and veterans. Load up on picks for players not retained, reset for next season. With that said, Backstrom over 9M is gonna hurt a lot. I assume he's on LTIR very soon. If next year it still doesn't work, they can probably blow it up.

They REALLY need to change their coach though. Laviolette just ain't it.
 
lipstickjunkie said:
Yeah it would be tough but realistically I think most of us would be relatively pleased if Knies turned into what Crouse is now. Big 20 goal scorer on the LW. But Crouse is a sure thing and he's 25, fits the core's timeline perfectly, with four more cost-controlled years. He only makes 4.3. If we dangle Knies, we could probably have him on board for a cap hit of 3 or so. That's pretty valuable.
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ER89 said:
i highly highly doubt that mitch and matthews will outproduce him by 35 and 60%.

William at 85-95 mitch and matthews at 105-115.

Sure we can add intangibles but 8.5 vs 11.5? yeah thats gna be a tough sell.

And trade him? Why would we do that. You move others around and fit him in for 9.5
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There's a lot of X-factors here

Matthews won't re-sign? Well, maybe you re-think re-signing Nylander and do a rebuild, you can't do much without a centre.

What if he has a disappointing playoff? Maybe you change direction.

Right now I don't have an appetite for a 9.5M on top of the other big deals for Marner and Matthews.

He wins the Conn Smythe? Let's go!
 
WTFMAN99 said:
There's a lot of X-factors here

Matthews won't re-sign? Well, maybe you re-think re-signing Nylander and do a rebuild, you can't do much without a centre.

What if he has a disappointing playoff? Maybe you change direction.

Right now I don't have an appetite for a 9.5M on top of the other big deals for Marner and Matthews.
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Tavares’s contract comes off the books the following year though. No way am I letting Nylander walk.
 
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We should just spend the 2024 1st and add Trenin. Hes a more skilled version of Jeannot and we get him for next season as well at 1.7 mill.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
Why the hell would I care what you think?

Matthews is a centre and won a Hart winner. Those cost more than wingers all day.



Nylander is having a career year, if he won't sign the extension, you trade him at the draft.

Odds are that Matthews and Marner outproduce him the year following as they have traditionally done.



Huberdeau just got 10.5M after a big year and you gotta keep it close to Matthews

Matthews gets a small bump in anticipation of the cap jump but nothing crazy either, 14-15M and you're not fielding a competitive team around him.
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Exactly its exactly like comparing kessel and crosby when kessel got his season high 92 pts and outproduced crosby...
 
WTFMAN99 said:
There's a lot of X-factors here

Matthews won't re-sign? Well, maybe you re-think re-signing Nylander and do a rebuild, you can't do much without a centre.

What if he has a disappointing playoff? Maybe you change direction.

Right now I don't have an appetite for a 9.5M on top of the other big deals for Marner and Matthews.

He wins the Conn Smythe? Let's go!
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yeah i suppose.

Let's see what transpires. should be an equally interesting off season with the amount of moving parts we have.

For now - id love some top 6 help.

Burnie97 said:
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YOOO SURELY kerfoot can get a second.


SHIRLEYYYY
 
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Eller was a guy I was interested in as a centre upgrade earlier in the season ... nice deal for the Av's, good price

Really is a buyer's market this year
 
As it stands today, the bottom 6 is probably just as bad as last year. Really can't afford another season where they lose from a lack of depth scoring when we've known it's been a weakness in the playoffs for several years
 
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I think we'll have a much better idea what Willy and Marner will sign for once we see the Pasta extension. I don't know how either one of them could ask for anything above it.
 
Zybalto said:
All fair points to be sure but as far as the chemistry point goes, it's all up in the air to how the team will mesh with all the new faces. An argument could be made we should stop tinkering so much with a top 5 team. Yea, the penalty sucked as his stick rode up Hedmans as Hedman lifted it but that was him being a terror on the PK and a pretty fluky play. That wasnt him stupidly sticking Hedman in the face right? (Man, did every call go against us that series).

As it stands, the team is cap compliant with maybe the best defensive depth in the league while adding a ton of sandpaper to the bottom six and augmenting the top 6 with ROR and still have Knies on the way.

Im right along with you that if a good deal comes along for something better than Kerfoot, lets pull the trigger, but who exactly is that?

What names did you have in mind?
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I agree and that's a worry of mine as well, regarding too much tinkering. The bottom 6 has been shuffled around alot this season so hopefully it's not an issue there, but if they add more to the top six, we never know.

Game 6 was a horribly reffed game but I think Kerfoot put himself in a bad spot. Hopefully we see some more balanced reffing this year but I'm not holding my breath.

I was a bit ambiguous in my original post. By "easy to replace" I meant production-wise. For example let's say Holmberg draws in for whatever reason, it's not too hard for him to score 1-1 in a 7 game series.

I haven't been able to watch enough hockey this year to know who is the best options for another top 6/9 forward. I think Domi could be a fit and would be relatively cheap, but as @SprDaVE mentioned there's some concerns there regarding his defensive play, amongst other things.

In the end I think they're more likely to trade Holl than Kerfoot. Holl did an admiral job early in the season with all the injuries and he's outperforming his contract. I could see them getting a decent asset back for him and then use that on a forward. I think Holl has been by far the best of the 3 guys who are/were often mentioned in trades (Kerfoot, Engvall, Holl.)

That would also allow them to keep Kerfoot as depth (if they trade for another forward), which personally I don't want, but I could see management doing it.

thusk said:
1- its not a stupid penalty, it was just a player working hard on 1v1 battle get his stick lift by his opponent who hit his face... its unfortunate bit just unlucky...

2-nothing garanteed if exemple leafs trading for henrique than he will het more than his 0 goal and 0 assist last time he playoff
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a duclair With his 1 goal 2 assist last 14 playoff game

3- kerfoot was he really worst than a hagel with his 2 goal 4 assist or killorn with 4 assist in 23 games?
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IMO the penalty was stupid because Kerfoot should know the situation. It was clear calls were favoring Tampa Bay. They just got penalized on a phantom high stick. He had eaten up some valuable time in the offensive zone. Watching it live I was cringing before Hedman even rode his stick up because Kerfoot was being so flippant with his stick.

It reminded me alot of those annoying tacky calls in the NBA where defender gets too aggressive and the offensive player "jumps into" the foul. In a big moment like that, Kerfoot should have been more careful.

It was either you or someone else who pointed out Henrique's playoff production and I totally agree. We don't need guys who haven't performed in the playoffs. If they do decide to "upgrade" either go for someone who has had some production in the playoffs or even someone fresh who is getting their first shot. At this point they shouldn't be making a change just for the sake of making a change.

I don't think we should compare our team to Tampa's, but I certainly wouldn't pay the price Tampa paid for Hagel to replace Kerfoot. Tampa's top players have also gotten it done though where as ours haven't. They also had a really good 3rd line for their two cups. If Toronto had more playoff success in the past 6 years and Kerfoot was a part of that I'd be more inclined to keep rolling the dice with him.
 
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