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Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

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DarkKnight said:
Thing about a Swiss Army knife, it can do eveything, but not very well. Who’s ever said “hey hon, can you grab me the Swiss Army knife?”
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That’s the point of a Swiss Army knife, you’re stuck deep in the woods and your 1C gets injured. But ROR does that job now and you don’t need 2 backup options just in case.
 
Legion34 said:
If the price for Chychrun is 1st and a prospect and we paid

1 2 3 4 for O’Reilly and Acciari that was a big mistake

We will see I guess
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O'Reilly will be more impactful than Chych in the short term.

Besides, if all Arizona wants for Chych is the equivalent of a pair of firsts (I doubt it), Sandin + 2024 1st should do the trick. Kerfoot's salary would balance the trade.
 
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kb said:
O' Rielly 'with double retention' and Acciari.

A significant portion of the asset cost was retention.
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Which must mean Muzzin is returning or they will make additional moves before the deadline. Why else would you retain O'Reilly down so cheap otherwise.
 
kb said:
O' Rielly 'with double retention' and Acciari.

A significant portion of the asset cost was retention.
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the price for half a season of retention shouldn't be that high imo.

I like the trade don't get me wrong. But i do find that kyle - unless the opposition GM doesn't truly value an asset (see timmins trade) often has to pay full/ surplus value.

Anecdotally speaking anyway.
 
ER89 said:
the price for half a season of retention shouldn't be that high imo.

I like the trade don't get me wrong. But i do find that kyle - unless the opposition GM doesn't truly value an asset (see timmins trade) often has to pay full/ surplus value.

Anecdotally speaking anyway.
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It's also the trade deadline where everything is inflated.

I think it was worth it and the new players get two extra weeks of games to build chemistry.
 
ER89 said:
the price for half a season of retention shouldn't be that high imo.

I like the trade don't get me wrong. But i do find that kyle - unless the opposition GM doesn't truly value an asset (see timmins trade) often has to pay full/ surplus value.

Anecdotally speaking anyway.
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I'm guessing that the 3rd (STL) and 4th (obviously MIN) covered each retention (a.k.a the lesser assets in the trade). Beyond that, roughly the 1st and Abramov for ROR and the 2nd and Gaudette for Acciari.
 
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ER89 said:
the price for half a season of retention shouldn't be that high imo.

I like the trade don't get me wrong. But i do find that kyle - unless the opposition GM doesn't truly value an asset (see timmins trade) often has to pay full/ surplus value.

Anecdotally speaking anyway.
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Not really seeing that too much even anecdotally.

Foligno was the main one and there were other teams willing to pay the exact same price... So while I think it was a major overpayment, it was what it took to get the guy.

Gio (+ Blackwell) for 2 2nds and a 3rd when guys like Chiarot, Savard, etc. are getting 1st+ seems about right. Gavrikov is likely to join that group.

I think the main thing is whether you should be paying those kinds of prices for rentals in general, but what he is paying seems in line, or is even below, the prices you see other teams paying for similar rentals.

I just think, in general, trading for rentals is a waste of assets unless it is lesser valuable ones for depth guys or you can find a real steal of a deal for someone who can play higher up in your lineup.
 
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I’d much rather give up Niemela+ than Sandin in any trade.

For Chychrun I’d offer: Holl/Kerfoot (cap) + 2024 1st + Niemela + Robertson.

Probably gets beat, but that’s what I’d offer
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Not really seeing that too much even anecdotally.

Foligno was the main one and there were other teams willing to pay the exact same price... So while I think it was a major overpayment, it was what it took to get the guy.

Gio (+ Blackwell) for 2 2nds and a 3rd when guys like Chiarot, Savard, etc. are getting 1st+ seems about right. Gavrikov is likely to join that group.

I think the main thing is whether you should be paying those kinds of prices for rentals in general, but what he is paying seems in line, or is even below, the prices you see other teams paying for similar rentals.

I just think, in general, trading for rentals is a waste of assets unless it is lesser valuable ones for depth guys or you can find a real steal of a deal for someone who can play higher up in your lineup.
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- Foligno was def one
- The trade for matt murray was pretty shite and should have squeeezed more out of a team that has trouble paying any of its stars and needed money off the books
- Getting rid of nick ritchie after signing him and giving up a second for lyubushkin was bleh
- Giving up hallander for mcann was poor and I'm not even talking about not protecting mcann - hallander has 29 points in 33 games this season in the AHL
- Andreas Johnsson when he was traded was looking to be a solid player for us - giving him 3.4M and then trading him for joey anderson was pretty shit
- Mason marchment trade was obviously trash as well
 
123offtheglass said:
Some possible D Targets:

- Chychrun: Seems out of the picture now with the ROR trade, & makes less sense if Sandin isn't apart of the deal
- Orlov: Probably too pricey given he'd be a pure rental along with the ROR trade already happened.
- Jensen: If Washington shops him for less than a 1st, Leafs should be all over this.
- McCabe: @50%, he kinda makes sense if the price isn't ridiculous, but that's more of costly lateral move for the sake of a different look.
- Soucy: He'd be a solid add/fit if Seattle were to actually shop him at a reasonable price, a deal seems doubtful unless there's a third team involved.
- Schenn: Would be a solid 7th D but some team is probably going to overpay.
- Kulikov: Nothing against the player as a cheap depth but I'd just stay clear of Anaheim alltogether.
- TVR: Worth a flyer if he's made avalible
- Mayfield, Gudas: Probably not avalible but there's still time before TDL.
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Orlov would be so good for this team, but yes most likely too expensive. WSH would probably ask for 1st '24 + Sandin +

McCabe, Soucy, Jensen or Mayfield would all help the team, though.
 
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ER89 said:
- Foligno was def one
- The trade for matt murray was pretty shite and should have squeeezed more out of a team that has trouble paying any of its stars and needed money off the books
- Getting rid of nick ritchie after signing him and giving up a second for lyubushkin was bleh
- Giving up hallander for mcann was poor and I'm not even talking about not protecting mcann - hallander has 29 points in 33 games this season in the AHL
- Andreas Johnsson when he was traded was looking to be a solid player for us - giving him 3.4M and then trading him for joey anderson was pretty shit
- Mason marchment trade was obviously trash as well
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What has happened to Marchment?

1 goal 4 points in his past 34 games.

Trade was bad but I couldn't imagine this fanbase loving 4.5 million for less production than Kerfoot.
 
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Jojalu said:
What has happened to Marchment?

1 goal 4 points in his past 34 games.

Trade was bad but I couldn't imagine this fanbase loving 4.5 million for less production than Kerfoot.
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That's hot nothing to do with the trade tho
 
It doesn't. I was just reading your bad trade list and I got caught off topic thinking about Marchment
 
Has dubas ever traded a roster player that has been with the team longer than a year

I think he has problems trading someone like holl engvall kerfoot.
 
Ziggdiezan said:
Which must mean Muzzin is returning or they will make additional moves before the deadline. Why else would you retain O'Reilly down so cheap otherwise.
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The Leafs said today Muzzin is out for the rest of the regular season and playoffs.

They will need $4 million space just to take Murray off LTIR once they sent Woll down..
 
ER89 said:
the price for half a season of retention shouldn't be that high imo.

I like the trade don't get me wrong. But i do find that kyle - unless the opposition GM doesn't truly value an asset (see timmins trade) often has to pay full/ surplus value.

Anecdotally speaking anyway.
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Depending on whether one thinks that Acciari was worth a 2nd or a 3rd rounder (it's moot), then the cost for a 50% retained ROR was either a 1st and 2nd, or a 1st and 3rd. The 4th was for Minny retaining the other 25%, but they also sent Josh Pillar to the Leafs. Abramov and Gaudette in the deal were nothing more than 2 contract spots opened up for ROR and Acciari.

Checks out very well IMO. No surplus value paid. Essentially it was a 1st for ROR, and a 2nd or 3rd for Acciari, and the rest was for retention.
 
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With Nashville faltering, I wonder if we can snag Neiderreiter from them. Big bodied winger who has a scoring touch and signed for another year at 4 mill
 
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