Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[pspot]

If Calgary continues to slip and look for a major shakeup, someone like Andersson is someone I’d be willing to trade Sandin++ for.

If New Jersey wasn’t doing so good, I love Siegenthaler. He’d pair with Brodie so well. I’d even be willing to move Sandin in a deal for him.

Forsling is another out of the box option. Would also help Florida free up a little cap space.

These are the type of defenceman id be willing to move Sandin for.

At this point I think a hockey trade makes more sense, considering the assets already speant
Weegar was the name that was brought up before and think they'd move him before Andersson but either would be a good move

 

[Stephen]

If Boston can get value or anyone to take on Craig Smith, I'd be shocked.

Pretty crazy they'll trade a 1st and a 3rd for Gavrikov though.

On reputation alone Smith seems like an interesting Center. But he’s sort of Boston’s Kerfoot.

 

[Stephen]

At this point I think a hockey trade makes more sense, considering the assets already speant
Weegar was the name that was brought up before and think they'd move him before Andersson but either would be a good move

Wonder what the ask would be on Hanifin? He’s a year older than Chychrun so would fall into the right age group. And he comes with the elite skating, untapped finesse skills and size. Downgrade on IQ from what his reputation has been over the years.

 

[SprDaVE]

Flipping Sandin for an immediate upgrade isn't a bad idea. We're trying to win a cup and you have to probably make tough decisions like that. It has to be a real upgrade and probably not a pending UFA.

The problem is that some equate Sandin to a player done developing and what he currently is. He's cost controlled and with plenty of potential... and he's playing very well. He's a sure shot NHLer, not just a prospect and a maybe. That has value, a lot more than a 1st round pick, or a collection of picks/prospects.

 

[Cor]

I don’t think Samsonov makes 5 million on his next contract, the most I see is 4.5 but ideally something along the lines of 4 million per, 5 years.

I have 2x2.75-3.00

 

[SprDaVE]

I have 2x2.75-3.00

The Anton Forsberg contract is a good comparable for sure.

 

[cyris]

I'm actually surprised at how many proposals here send Sandin out to bring in another LHD.

Forget the cap hit, Sandin's development, and his ceiling, I'm also looking at the long term and our LHD situation, both now and the future.

You have Reilly and Sandin currently, with 39 year old Giordano and 33 year old Brodie (in June) who is a UFA in 23-24 with a current Cap Hit of $5M.

How long do we expect Giordano to carry the load that he has, and how long can he realistically do it for?

With our upcoming Cap crunch, with decisions to be made with Matthews, Marner, Nylander and now O'Rielly, is re-signing Brodie even an option anymore?

Who is LHD pipeline on the Marlies? Kral? Rifai? Hoefenmeyer? How close are they to being viable everyday players for us, and are they an improvement on Sandin?

Moving Sandin to bring in another LHD seems like a lateral move at best, and doesn't really answer for me what the plan is long-term to ensure our LHD remains strong. The kid is still young, has a very reasonable contract and still has plenty of room to continue developing. Does he do everything perfect? Nope, but if that is the criteria for any player, I think we are already screwed and it's kind of ridiculous.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you but people want to change up the defence a bit.

Just opinion but I don’t think you can push Sandin out of the lineup in the playoffs again without him demanding a trade in the off-season. I’d rather trade Holl to make any improvements on D but I don’t think the coaching staff or management agree on that which leaves Sandin as the odd man out.

 

[TMLAM34]

Wonder what the ask would be on Hanifin? He’s a year older than Chychrun so would fall into the right age group. And he comes with the elite skating, untapped finesse skills and size. Downgrade on IQ from what his reputation has been over the years.

Hanifin would be another good addition, like you said he’s an elite skater and someone I can see excelling in a system like ours.

 

[Dreakmur]

If that was the case, Nashville wouldn't be in the position they are in. I feel like people way overvalue the impact other defensemen have on their team vs what ours have provided us this year.

Nashville is where they are because they can’t score, not because they can’t defend.

I actually have Rielly a bit better than Ekholm if I’m listing them overall, but Ekholm will make a bigger impact for us that Rielly does.

 

[pspot]

I don’t necessarily disagree with you but people want to change up the defence a bit.

Just opinion but I don’t think you can push Sandin out of the lineup in the playoffs again without him demanding a trade in the off-season. I’d rather trade Holl to make any improvements on D but I don’t think the coaching staff or management agree on that which leaves Sandin as the odd man out.

I'm totally on board with trading Holl over Sandin, problem is Sandin has more value so where do you make it up with Holl? more picks seem unlikely, so prospect which probably means Niemela. Would prefer robertson but his value is little to none at this point.

Sandin actually hits which is ironic as I do think of him as a pmd . I'd rather keep him for sure.

 

[Stephen]

Flipping Sandin for an immediate upgrade isn't a bad idea. We're trying to win a cup and you have to probably make tough decisions like that. It has to be a real upgrade and probably not a pending UFA.

The problem is that some equate Sandin to a player done developing and what he currently is. He's cost controlled and with plenty of potential... and he's playing very well. He's a sure shot NHLer, not just a prospect and a maybe. That has value, a lot more than a 1st round pick, or a collection of picks/prospects.

Yeah I think it comes down to whether you feel the carrying cost on all the development and inefficiency with Sandin will pay off in the long run or just fast forward to a better all around fit. Is he mission critical to the rest of the 2020s or do you just want an upgrade now.

 

[Americanadian]

Zadorov would be an interesting and cheap option for 2LD. I don't know if I'd deal Sandin for him 1 for 1 but maybe Sandin, 24 1st for Dube, Zadorov. Kerfoot thrown in for cap purposes.

This is assuming the team has knowledge that Dube will be cleared from the team Canada investigation.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Nashville is where they are because they can’t score, not because they can’t defend.

Nashville is where they are because they can't score or defend.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Boston will have a crazy defensive group after adding Gavrikov to the mix.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I don’t necessarily disagree with you but people want to change up the defence a bit.

Just opinion but I don’t think you can push Sandin out of the lineup in the playoffs again without him demanding a trade in the off-season. I’d rather trade Holl to make any improvements on D but I don’t think the coaching staff or management agree on that which leaves Sandin as the odd man out.

The bolded has me thinking. This is a scenario that makes sense. But not just that. If you leave him out of the playoff lineup again, then how can he develop? And if he can't develop, you're sitting here in a year's time asking yourself if you can trust him in the playoffs once again, since there isn't much experience.

And while all that is happening, he's losing value in terms of a trade chip. I'm actually thinking I am at the point where, if you can't trust him now, when are you going to trust him? Sure, another year of seasoning is when you could finally trust him, but in terms of where the team is at and being an asset himself, do we have the time for that added sheltering/seasoning.

I think these are all things to consider with Sandin. But I'm not sure if lack of trust + sheltering at this point does anyone any good.

 

[LeafSteel]

I don’t necessarily disagree with you but people want to change up the defence a bit.

Just opinion but I don’t think you can push Sandin out of the lineup in the playoffs again without him demanding a trade in the off-season. I’d rather trade Holl to make any improvements on D but I don’t think the coaching staff or management agree on that which leaves Sandin as the odd man out.

I don’t disagree but maaaan, that paints a scary picture of management if it is that blindly committed to hitching our wagon to Holl that we let a guy like Sandin go to keep him.

I would look at improving Holl well before I look at Sandin. If a better option for Sandin comes up and it makes sense, I’m on board but Holl needs to be no higher in our lineup than 3RHD.

Considering that Holl is a UFA’s and the capability that he brings and the expected demand, are we really comfortable paying $4-5m for him to be our 3RHD?

I am much more inclined for that to go to Timmins with Niemela potentially moving up in 2-3 years….

Chychrun would 100% answer the Sandin questions and settle our 2LHD for years to come, leaving Brodie, Gio, Kral , and other Marlies as 3LHD solutions….

……. But what it takes to get Chychrun scares me and it still leaves the Holl question unanswered.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Boston will have a crazy defensive group after adding Gavrikov to the mix.

Gavrikov to Boston doesn't bug me in the sense they are adding a new element, rather they are just bolstering a similar element. Which was already really good. So to me it wouldn't change much other than you will still need to work your ass off to beat them.

 

[Americanadian]

I don’t disagree but maaaan, that paints a scary picture of management if it is that blindly committed to hitching our wagon to Holl that we let a guy like Sandin go to keep him.

I would look at improving Holl well before I look at Sandin. If a better option for Sandin comes up and it makes sense, I’m on board but Holl needs to be no higher in our lineup than 3RHD.

Considering that Holl is a UFA’s and the capability that he brings and the expected demand, are we really comfortable paying $4-5m for him to be our 3RHD?

I am much more inclined for that to go to Timmins with Niemela potentially moving up in 2-3 years….

Chychrun would 100% answer the Sandin questions and settle our 2LHD for years to come, leaving Brodie, Gio, Kral , and other Marlies as 3LHD solutions….

……. But what it takes to get Chychrun scares me and it still leaves the Holl question unanswered.

Just run Brodie/Lily/Timmins at RD next season. If Sandin is gone run Rielly/X/Gio with X being any UFA.

There will be players like Kulikov, Jensen, TVR, who will probably be available for cheap as UFA's.

 

[Lightsol]

I’m not one of those who think Holl is terrible. He certainly has a role that he’s good for (pk + bottom pair). There are attributes there of a solid defenseman. But, to me, his biggest issue is that he fancies himself an offensive defenseman and for some inexplicable reason, no one has coached it out of him. He is the only D on the team that I swear jumps up into the play, every single time. He ends up behind the opposition goal line far too much for someone of his skillset and he makes bad bad pinches instead of falling back into defensive posture

That's part of what irks me about Holl. He's okay when he's just concentrating on playing good defense, which tends to happen after he's been press-boxed for a while, but inevitably he seems to start thinking he's Bobby Orr, and it leads to him constantly leaving his partner out to dry and giving up terrible odd-man rushes...

 

[TMLAM34]

It’s funny because Toronto went out and got O’Reilly, who did VERY good up against Bergeron and the Bruins a few years ago in the finals.

Then Boston goes out and gets Gavrikov, a big physical defenceman that gave us a hard time in the playoff bubble.

 

[Gabriel426]

That's part of what irks me about Holl. He's okay when he's just concentrating on playing good defense, which tends to happen after he's been press-boxed for a while, but inevitably he seems to start thinking he's Bobby Orr, and it leads to him constantly leaving his partner out to dry and giving up terrible odd-man rushes...

That’s why Holl can only starts in his own zone, lol

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Supposedly Keefe has told Tavares they are running with him at LW and that's fine, that top 6 is hilarious.

However it does mean they could use an upgrade at 3rd line center.

I don't know if he's healthy enough but I would look into Sean Monahan, again it depends on if he's recovered from his injury but if he is he's worth a look.

But regardless of if It's him or not, if they are going to use Tavares on wing they need a 3rd line center

 

[LeafSteel]

Why Maple Leafs moved John Tavares to wing after Ryan O'Reilly trade

John Tavares is now a left winger after Ryan O'Reilly joined the Maple Leafs in a trade. Luke Fox asked Tavares and Sheldon Keefe about the change and why now was the time to make it.

www.sportsnet.ca

An interesting read for some context on the Tavares to LW philosophy….

 

[kb]

Nashville is where they are because they can’t score, not because they can’t defend.

I actually have Rielly a bit better than Ekholm if I’m listing them overall, but Ekholm will make a bigger impact for us that Rielly does.

What I am trying to figure out is why is Nashville 12 in GA with their amazing D and all world G Jusse Saros, while the Leafs are somehow are 6th in GA with Muzzin out all year, plus Rielly, Brodie, and Liljegren all missing significant time with injuries. On top of that, in net the Leafs have an injury plagued Murray, an uneven Samsonov, plus 11 starts from their 3/4 stringers?

And somehow their 3rd best D (case for #2/3 arguably with McDonagh) would be the best D on the Leafs? Something just isn't adding up.

Let's also not forget that Ekholm turns 33 in a couple of months, has 3 more years at $6.25 million, and acquiring him would absolutely mean saying goodbye to ROR in the summer.

Not sure he's the right target.

Supposedly Keefe has told Tavares they are running with him at LW and that's fine, that top 6 is hilarious.

However it does mean they could use an upgrade at 3rd line center.

I don't know if he's healthy enough but I would look into Sean Monahan, again it depends on if he's recovered from his injury but if he is he's worth a look.

But regardless of if It's him or not, if they are going to use Tavares on wing they need a 3rd line center

Acciari looks good in that #3C role. He's an upgrade from Kampf, for sure.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

What I am trying to figure out is why is Nashville 12 in GA with their amazing D and all world G Jusse Saros, while the Leafs are somehow are 6th in GA with Muzzin out all year, plus Rielly, Brodie, and Liljegren all missing significant time with injuries. On top of that, in net the Leafs have an injury plagued Murray, an uneven Samsonov, plus 11 starts from their 3/4 stringers?

And somehow their 3rd best D (case for #2/3 arguably with McDonagh) would be the best D on the Leafs? Something just isn't adding up.

Let's also not forget that Ekholm turns 33 in a couple of months, has 3 more years at $6.25 million, and acquiring him would absolutely mean saying goodbye to ROR in the summer.

Not sure he's the right target.


Acciari looks good in that #3C role. He's an upgrade from Kampf, for sure.

I think Acciari would be better with Kampf on the 4th line