Trades and Free Agency 2021 | Trade Deadline 6 weeks away

[SeaOfBlue]

If LA is looking for a LD, you’d have to think they’d be interested in Dermott. He basically checks off all the boxes. I’d consider Kempe. Iafallo would be nice but he’d be a pure rental. Dermott + Engvall for Kempe to make the salaries basically even?

We would need to protect Kempe, which likely means that the Leafs lose Holl. That could be fine, especially since the Leafs can also choose to protect Kerfoot at that point, but it is still something to consider.

We'd likely need to acquire another depth defenseman to keep on our taxi squad as well, but we can use a prospect to do that.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I'm pretty sure Fabbro is one of the only 3 untouchables on Nashville. Fabbro, Josi, Ellis

Josi, Ellis, and Rinne are the untouchables. Fabbro is available, but likely ridiculously expensive to acquire.

 

[Kurtz]

if his name wasn't domi would we be interested

Fair - but he also averages close to 2 ppg at the ACC over his career, which leaves an impression.

 

[smokes lets go]

The Kings are definitely a team I wouldn't mind trading with again. Either Reilly or Dermott could be players that fill their puck-moving LHD hole. Both Vilardi and Madden are intriguing RHS centers. Iafallo and Kempe are both versatile players we could solidify our top-nine with as well.

The Kings are not trading Vilardi. Period. I would think Turcotte would be on the table before him.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

I'm pretty sure Fabbro is one of the only 3 untouchables on Nashville. Fabbro, Josi, Ellis

Nah, according to Frieds it was Rinne (for some reason) who was the other untouchable with Ellis and Josi.

 

[Menzinger]

if his name wasn't domi would we be interested

Well, contract situations and capspace would be a potential hindrance here

 

[Nylanderthal]

Nah, according to Frieds it was Rinne (for some reason) who was the other untouchable with Ellis and Josi.

He’s likely done after the year and Poole and the organization value him being a career Pred than the 4th and AHL commitment they’d likely get in return

 

[jaric1862]

The only few guys I see fitting the bill for the leafs are Granlund, Staal and to a lesser extent Haula

Things get so much more complicated when you factor in the quarantine period and the flat cap.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Toronto Maple Leafs Rumours: "TOR will try to find best forward who fits" regardless of C or W (Friedman) - Maple Leafs Hot Stove (MLHS)

On TSN Overdrive, Pierre LeBrun speculated that Kyle Dubs and the Leafs will get out ahead of some of the other movers and shakers at the NHL trade deadline.

Everyone is saying it is difficult right now. You’ve got half the league in LTIR. Because of the flat cap, I believe this is the biggest number of teams we have had in LTIR in the cap era. You are having to trade apples for apples.

… I think if the Leafs do go out and get a top-nine forward, I predict they will do it ahead of the deadline as much as possible. It is Kyle Dubas’ trademark even pre-pandemic. The Muzzin deal was in January. He likes to go ahead of time anyway.

If they can get it done, I think the Leafs will be out of the gates ahead of the other NHL teams potentially ahead of the deadline.

… The integration element is huge. Teams often say, even outside of the pandemic, that with acquisitions at the deadline, there is a 50-50 chance the addition meshes. Now throw in the quarantine. And how many practices are teams getting between the deadline and the first round of the playoffs in May? I bet it is three or four practices a month max.

Friedman: “Leafs will try to find best forward who fits” regardless of C vs. W (SN590)

On Leafs Hour, Elliotte Friedman provided his sense of whether the Leafs would prefer to add a center or a winger ahead of the trade deadline.

I think they are going to try to add something. I thought they were going to look for a top-six winger. Is there a chance they see Kerfoot as that person?

This year is a screwed-up year for a lot of different reasons, but it is generally a lot easier to acquire wingers than centers. Centers are hard to get.

I could see them trying to go out and say, “We are going to try to find the best forward we can who fits, and then try to figure out what we got here.”

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[hockeywiz542]

NHL Rumors: Canucks, Kings, Maple Leafs, Senators, More - The Hockey Writers

Canucks Have Called Every Team

As per a report by Pierre LeBrun on the latest Insider Trading for TSN, Canucks GM Jim Benning has been busy. While nothing has materialized, the NHL insider notes there “isn’t a single team that hasn’t heard from Jim Benning over the last couple weeks.”

LeBrun notes that Benning is looking for a forward that is 25-and-younger and someone who can fit with his young core. He’s desperately trying to make a deal but LeBrun says that it’s so difficult to make an ’apples for apples’ trade, his conversations with 30 other teams hasn’t led to anything.

LeBrun did say that some of the calls weren’t about actually pulling the trigger on a trade but Benning “doing his due diligence and knowing what’s out there ahead of April 12.” LeBrun said there’s still lots of time, but that may not be entirely accurate.

The Canucks lost again on Thursday to the Oilers, making it four losses in a row and they are now sitting second-last in their division, just ahead of Ottawa. They are nearly half-way through the season and if a trade is made with a non-Canadian team, it will be another handful of games before that player can slot into the lineup and help this club turn things around.

 

[sxvnert]

Toronto Maple Leafs Rumours: "TOR will try to find best forward who fits" regardless of C or W (Friedman) - Maple Leafs Hot Stove (MLHS)

On TSN Overdrive, Pierre LeBrun speculated that Kyle Dubs and the Leafs will get out ahead of some of the other movers and shakers at the NHL trade deadline.

Everyone is saying it is difficult right now. You’ve got half the league in LTIR. Because of the flat cap, I believe this is the biggest number of teams we have had in LTIR in the cap era. You are having to trade apples for apples.

… I think if the Leafs do go out and get a top-nine forward, I predict they will do it ahead of the deadline as much as possible. It is Kyle Dubas’ trademark even pre-pandemic. The Muzzin deal was in January. He likes to go ahead of time anyway.

If they can get it done, I think the Leafs will be out of the gates ahead of the other NHL teams potentially ahead of the deadline.

… The integration element is huge. Teams often say, even outside of the pandemic, that with acquisitions at the deadline, there is a 50-50 chance the addition meshes. Now throw in the quarantine. And how many practices are teams getting between the deadline and the first round of the playoffs in May? I bet it is three or four practices a month max.

Friedman: “Leafs will try to find best forward who fits” regardless of C vs. W (SN590)

On Leafs Hour, Elliotte Friedman provided his sense of whether the Leafs would prefer to add a center or a winger ahead of the trade deadline.

I think they are going to try to add something. I thought they were going to look for a top-six winger. Is there a chance they see Kerfoot as that person?

This year is a screwed-up year for a lot of different reasons, but it is generally a lot easier to acquire wingers than centers. Centers are hard to get.

I could see them trying to go out and say, “We are going to try to find the best forward we can who fits, and then try to figure out what we got here.”

Time to get moving on a deal before injuries start pilling up.

Needs: #3C, #7/8D, #3/4G

Thornton Matthews Marner
Hyman Tavares Simmonds
Mik ------ Nylander
Robertson Spezza Boyd
Galchenyuk/Petan

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Lehtonen Bogo
Sandin/Liljegren

Trade Bait
Kerfoot (3,500,000)
Engvall (1,250,000)
Barabanov (925,000)
Vesey (900,000)
Dermott (874,125)
TOTAL: $7,449,125

 

[Duke16]

Thinking out loud about expansion, it may make sense to acquire a F with term and go 7F-3D-1G.

We currently have 5D worth protecting (Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie, Holl, Dermott) and hardly have 7F worth protecting [Big Four, Kerfoot, Hyman (still not signed), Anderson?, Engvall?) but I'd make this decision based on who we have coming up.

On D: Dermott (elevated role), Sandin, and Liljegren should all be regulars by next year

While on F, I'd really only anticipate Anderson, Robertson, and Malgin (if he comes back) to factor in regularly on forward.

It may make sense to set up one of the Top 4D as the fall guy considering who needs to come in next year.

 

[aingefan]

Thinking out loud about expansion, it may make sense to acquire a F with term and go 7F-3D-1G.

We currently have 4D worth protecting and hardly have 7F worth protecting, but I'd make this decision based on who we have coming up.

On D: Dermott (elevated role), Sandin, and Liljegren should all be regulars by next year

While on F, I'd really only anticipate Anderson, Robertson, and Malgin (if he comes back) to factor in regularly on forward.

If you think Dermott is ready for an elevated role, that’s 5 protectable D.
I prefer to keep the top 4 D as the roster stands now. Makes Dermott or Kerfoot the most likely and most valuable casualties, and I hold out hope that Dermott is worth a projectable expansion exempt forward prospect.
This is my preference because there are generally more forwards available and they can be a little bit more flexible upfront, than they usually can on the backend.

 

[VanW27]

Acquire a forward with term, protect them (7-3-1) and expose one of Brodie and Muzzin.

I like both players but we have young D coming (Sandin and Liljegren) and the 5million in cap itself has a lot of value in a flat cap world.

Lose Brodie and you have 5 million to sign a guy like Savard/McCabe/Martinez to replace him in UFA.

 

[SprDaVE]

Toronto Maple Leafs Rumours: "TOR will try to find best forward who fits" regardless of C or W (Friedman) - Maple Leafs Hot Stove (MLHS)

On TSN Overdrive, Pierre LeBrun speculated that Kyle Dubs and the Leafs will get out ahead of some of the other movers and shakers at the NHL trade deadline.

Everyone is saying it is difficult right now. You’ve got half the league in LTIR. Because of the flat cap, I believe this is the biggest number of teams we have had in LTIR in the cap era. You are having to trade apples for apples.

… I think if the Leafs do go out and get a top-nine forward, I predict they will do it ahead of the deadline as much as possible. It is Kyle Dubas’ trademark even pre-pandemic. The Muzzin deal was in January. He likes to go ahead of time anyway.

If they can get it done, I think the Leafs will be out of the gates ahead of the other NHL teams potentially ahead of the deadline.

… The integration element is huge. Teams often say, even outside of the pandemic, that with acquisitions at the deadline, there is a 50-50 chance the addition meshes. Now throw in the quarantine. And how many practices are teams getting between the deadline and the first round of the playoffs in May? I bet it is three or four practices a month max.

Friedman: “Leafs will try to find best forward who fits” regardless of C vs. W (SN590)

On Leafs Hour, Elliotte Friedman provided his sense of whether the Leafs would prefer to add a center or a winger ahead of the trade deadline.

I think they are going to try to add something. I thought they were going to look for a top-six winger. Is there a chance they see Kerfoot as that person?

This year is a screwed-up year for a lot of different reasons, but it is generally a lot easier to acquire wingers than centers. Centers are hard to get.

I could see them trying to go out and say, “We are going to try to find the best forward we can who fits, and then try to figure out what we got here.”

It's encouraging to read because they really need to add a forward. I think there are clear sellers already, but sometimes the right forward isn't available.

I still feel like Granlund will be the player the Leafs acquire. Too much smoke and seems to fit what they are looking for. I hope Buffalo puts up the selling sign soon too.

 

[jaric1862]

Engvall, 2021 2nd, 2022 3rd for Granlund (50% retained) and Alexandre Carrier

This is the most fair deal I can think of

 

[Nylanderthal]

Thinking out loud about expansion, it may make sense to acquire a F with term and go 7F-3D-1G.

We currently have 5D worth protecting (Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie, Holl, Dermott) and hardly have 7F worth protecting [Big Four, Kerfoot, Hyman (still not signed), Anderson?, Engvall?) but I'd make this decision based on who we have coming up.

On D: Dermott (elevated role), Sandin, and Liljegren should all be regulars by next year

While on F, I'd really only anticipate Anderson, Robertson, and Malgin (if he comes back) to factor in regularly on forward.

It may make sense to set up one of the Top 4D as the fall guy considering who needs to come in next year.

If neither gets moved in an in-season deal then with expansion in mind I’d trade one of dermott or kerfoot for the best return unless it was very underwhelming (or both if we can meet requirements thru lessor valued pieces) and go 4-4-1, sandin and Liljegren should be ready for a bottom pairing role each next year and you sign a vet like bogo to rotate in and out as needed. Management has spent far too long looking to solidify the top 4, and it finally looks like we have it. As for up front, there’s nothing that’s not expiring or exempt that I’m worried about losing after the big 4.
I feel like last time teams who tried to bargain their way out of losing good players (see Florida, Minnesota & Columbus) really ate shit vs. Teams like Washington who exposed a good player and just took their lumps.
TLDR: trade one of 23 or 15 if the return makes sense or just make your list, you only lose 1 guy.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Time to get moving on a deal before injuries start pilling up.

Needs: #3C, #7/8D, #3/4G

Thornton Matthews Marner
Hyman Tavares Simmonds
Mik ------ Nylander
Robertson Spezza Boyd
Galchenyuk/Petan

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Lehtonen Bogo
Sandin/Liljegren

Trade Bait
Kerfoot (3,500,000)
Engvall (1,250,000)
Barabanov (925,000)
Vesey (900,000)
Dermott (874,125)
TOTAL: $7,449,125

Injuries are not going to force us to make a move. By the time the guy we acquire comes off of quarantine, everyone will be healthy. We already have ample internal depth to cover most injuries (and if we suffer a major injury to like a Matthews, we are not going to be able to cover that with a trade anyways).

Why do we need a #3/#4 goalie? We have Hutchinson, who is about as good of a #3 you are going to get with waivers getting in the way.

Why are we moving Kerfoot or Dermott in the middle of the season? Keeping Dermott can prevent us from having to acquire a #7/#8 replacement and we won't need to move either to acquire a good 3C (especially a good rental 3C). Dubas is not going to concern himself with expansion right now; if he wants to move Dermott because he can't protect him, he will do it after the season.

Thornton - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - 3C - Mikheyev
Vesey - Spezza - Simmonds
Galchenyuk/Petan/Boyd

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Dermott - Bogosian
Lehtonen/Marincin

Andersen - Campbell
Hutchinson

Trade Chips
LW/RW Pierre Engvall (or LW Jimmy Vesey if Engvall is at 4LW and splitting 4C with Spezza)
RW/LW Alex Barabanov (toss in or moved for a late round pick)
Prospects (Kokkonen, Hallander, Woll, Abruzzese, and Kral would be the best ones available for me).
Picks (preferably only our 4-7 round picks, and preferably in 2021; use prospects or Engvall instead).

Leafs do not need to make it any more complicated than that, and likely won't make it any more complicated than that with quarantine.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Engvall, 2021 2nd, 2022 3rd for Granlund (50% retained) and Alexandre Carrier

This is the most fair deal I can think of

Pass. Carrier is a depth swap candidate and that is a major overpayment for what Granlund brings to the table (and he is far from an ideal fit for our needs).

Engvall + Hollowell for Haula (50% retained) + Carrier makes more sense for us, and is fair value for them.

 

[hockeynorth]

Pass. Carrier is a depth swap candidate and that is a major overpayment for what Granlund brings to the table (and he is far from an ideal fit for our needs).

Engvall + Hollowell for Haula (50% retained) + Carrier makes more sense for us, and is fair value for them.

2+3+Engvall seems totally fair for a 50% retained Granlund

 

[SprDaVE]

2+3+Engvall seems totally fair for a 50% retained Granlund

I'd rather not include Engvall in this and just go with picks (or a lower end prospect), which is usually the norm for a rental. Either way, seems decently fair though.

 

[Menzinger]

Acquire a forward with term, protect them (7-3-1) and expose one of Brodie and Muzzin.

I like both players but we have young D coming (Sandin and Liljegren) and the 5million in cap itself has a lot of value in a flat cap world.

Lose Brodie and you have 5 million to sign a guy like Savard/McCabe/Martinez to replace him in UFA.

Though problem here is theyd be opting to lose the teams top pairing rhd for likely a 3rd line forward.

I could maybe see the team doing that it one of those guys looks physically off by the time expansion rolls around, but its probably a long shot

 

[Critical13]

Acquire a forward with term, protect them (7-3-1) and expose one of Brodie and Muzzin.

I like both players but we have young D coming (Sandin and Liljegren) and the 5million in cap itself has a lot of value in a flat cap world.

Lose Brodie and you have 5 million to sign a guy like Savard/McCabe/Martinez to replace him in UFA.

What?

Brodie has been a revelation on our right side and you are cool with losing him for the cap space?

The f*** am I reading around here. Ya let's expose 2 of our best defensive defencemen.

At least with Muzzin, there is some legitimacy when you consider his contract and age. If we lose Brodie, I'll be pissed.

 

[LeafChief]

What?

Brodie has been a revelation on our right side and you are cool with losing him for the cap space?

The f*** am I reading around here. Ya let's expose 2 of our best defensive defencemen.

At least with Muzzin, there is some legitimacy when you consider his contract and age. If we lose Brodie, I'll be pissed.

Yeah - I can sort of see the logic but we shouldn't be considering exposing either of Muzzin or Brodie. Brodie has been so f***ing steady and the D has a huge hole in it when Muzzin is out.