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Menzinger said:
Yes, 2nd line LW.

Perosnally I dont have any issue with Kerfoot as 3c, or potentially playing Thornton there as well. Haula can't drive a line offensively, so don't think hes a better fit. Id be happy with Staal there though.
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You wouldn't need him to drive a line offensively. The goal/idea would be to give us a 3rd line very similar to the one we currently have with Hyman-Engvall-Mikheyev, except Haula is much better at draws and not quite as offensively anemic as Engvall right now. It would also allow for the Leafs to comfortably deploy a 4th line of Robertson/Galchenyuk-Spezza-Simmonds if we wanted a more offensive-minded bottom 6 line. We wouldn't need to keep Vesey in the lineup for PK purposes as we would have Haula, Mikheyev, Hyman, Kerfoot, and Marner (and Spezza for faceoffs).

Every team has a bottom 6 line they can lean on for tough defensive matchups and Hyman-Haula-Mikheyev could handle those tough matchups. They also have enough speed and forechecking ability that they could still produce offensively, especially if Mikheyev finds his scoring touch again.

Or if we wanted Kerfoot at 3C, we can move Hyman or Simmonds up to the top 6 beside Tavares and Nylander and have Haula move to 4C to split with Spezza.

If we get Granlund and he can't fill that 2LW hole properly, we are going to have to totally switch things up to find a place he can fit or he is going to be useless. Keefe values flexibility, and Granlund brings absolutely none of it to our lineup. Haula is a guy who can bring flexibility. Stepan could as well if you want a hybrid option between Haula and Staal (and he is already in Canada so no quarantine).

Staal is also fine, but we would have to keep a PKer in the lineup, which provides slightly less flexibility for us.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
You wouldn't need him to drive a line offensively. The goal/idea would be to give us a 3rd line very similar to the one we currently have with Hyman-Engvall-Mikheyev, except Haula is much better at draws and not quite as offensively anemic as Engvall right now. It would also allow for the Leafs to comfortably deploy a 4th line of Robertson/Galchenyuk-Spezza-Simmonds if we wanted a more offensive-minded bottom 6 line. We wouldn't need to keep Vesey in the lineup for PK purposes as we would have Haula, Mikheyev, Hyman, Kerfoot, and Marner (and Spezza for faceoffs).

Every team has a bottom 6 line they can lean on for tough defensive matchups and Hyman-Haula-Mikheyev could handle those tough matchups. They also have enough speed and forechecking ability that they could still produce offensively, especially if Mikheyev finds his scoring touch again.

Or if we wanted Kerfoot at 3C, we can move Hyman or Simmonds up to the top 6 beside Tavares and Nylander and have Haula move to 4C to split with Spezza.

If we get Granlund and he can't fill that 2LW hole properly, we are going to have to totally switch things up to find a place he can fit or he is going to be useless. Keefe values flexibility, and Granlund brings absolutely none of it to our lineup. Haula is a guy who can bring flexibility. Stepan could as well if you want a hybrid option between Haula and Staal (and he is already in Canada so no quarantine).

Staal is also fine, but we would have to keep a PKer in the lineup, which provides slightly less flexibility for us.
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If Granlund isn't able to find chemistry on the 2nd line they could just play him on the 3rd line lw and bump up Hyman.

I dont mind Haula, and would be fine if the Leafs got him instead. But I think in isolation Granlund has the greater on ice impact, and stuff like fit/chemistry can be worked out over time during the remainder of the season.
 
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Menzinger said:
If Granlund isn't able to find chemistry on the 2nd line they could just play him on the 3rd line lw and bump up Hyman.

I dont mind Haula, and would be fine if the Leafs got him instead. But I think in isolation Granlund has the greater on ice impact, and stuff like fit/chemistry can be worked out over time during the remainder of the season.
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Granlund has far better analytics offensively and this is what they need more of, at least Im pretty sure he does.

He's not far removed from his 60 point seasons, although he's struggled to put up points with the Preds quite a bit.

I don't think he's much of a center though... so if they acquire him, I think he'll be a LW.
 
Menzinger said:
If Granlund isn't able to find chemistry on the 2nd line they could just play him on the 3rd line lw and bump up Hyman.

I dont mind Haula, and would be fine if the Leafs got him instead. But I think in isolation Granlund has the greater on ice impact, and stuff like fit/chemistry can be worked out over time during the remainder of the season.
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Those types of trades need to happen asap

I don't care if it's Granlund, Haula, Jarnkrok or Staal but if the player or players are going to need quarantine we need to start moving on it

Getting players comfortable on a new team with new systems takes time in normal circumstances let alone this season
 
@ChuckWoods , I like that even more after this game

Thornton-Tavares-Marner
Jarncrock-Matthews-Nylander
Mikheyev-Haula-Hyman
Barabanov-Engvall-Spezza

Swap JT and Matthews if you like, but that lineup is hard to handle.
 
I think a sleeper/dark-horse pick who fits like a glove and could be had for relatively cheap is Vladislav Namestnikov. Was traded for a Col 4th round pick last season, can play up and down the lineup, all 3 positions, fast, aggressive, kills penalties, and was very complementary to Stamkos & Kucherov back in Tampa when that line was dominant. He ended up being key piece of a trade to acquire JT Miller & Ryan McDonough when his value was at a high. He's 28 now and trade value is probably still low.

He has 2 years @ 2m per year, @50% retained (1m per year for this season and 2021/2022) could look very good in top 6 with the big boys (Matthews, Marner, JT, Nylander) and has versatility to be in the bottom 6.

One problem is the deal would have to go through Steve Yzerman in Detroit.
 
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I don't think we'll see anything major. Probably very unpopular around here but I think Galchenyuk will be given a real chance in the top 6 before we look at making a move. Even if/when that fails then it may be something small like Kerfoot in the top 6 and go after Bennett. I'm not even totally against putting Simmonds in the top 6 really.
 
Leafs need to go big and get Forsberg or Hall at 50 percent for Kerfoot plus futures. This assumes the third line from last night works moving forward with Engvall at a center. I prefer Forsberg based on salary, post season experience and defensive play

Thornton Matthews Nylander

Forsberg Tavares Marner

Hyman Engvall Mikeyhev
 
I know there have been lots of rumours about Dubas wanting to add a top 6 forward to play with 91 and 88 but if Keefe splits up 34 and 16, I am not sure where this top 6 forward plays:

11 34 88
97 91 16
xx 15 24
65 72 19

47, 61, 94, 26
 
ToneDog said:
I know there have been lots of rumours about Dubas wanting to add a top 6 forward to play with 91 and 88 but if Keefe splits up 34 and 16, I am not sure where this top 6 forward plays:

11 34 88
97 91 16
xx 15 24
65 72 19

47, 61, 94, 26
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I think splitting up MM and AM is the move right now. They will instantly get 91 and 88 going and this team is far more dangerous when all four are rolling.

Hyman looked really good with Mikheyev and Engvall last night. Hyman + Simmonds + whoever wpuld make a really good 3rd line. Hyman can probably drive his own line at this point. Would open up a top 6 spot.

XXXXX - Matthews - Nylander
Thornton - Tavares - Marner
Hyman - Kerfoot - Simmonds
Mikheyev - Boyd/Engvall - Spezza

Thornton can play on either of those top two spots. If you get a top 6 wing, he slots into the other. If you get a 3C, Kerfoot bumps into the XXXXX.
 
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Critical13 said:
What?

Brodie has been a revelation on our right side and you are cool with losing him for the cap space?

The f*** am I reading around here. Ya let's expose 2 of our best defensive defencemen.

At least with Muzzin, there is some legitimacy when you consider his contract and age. If we lose Brodie, I'll be pissed.
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Agreed. No way I want to lose Brodie, locked up, in his prime at 5m.

That said, moving on from Muzzin (via expansion) and his 5.6 million dollars is an option. With Dermott, Lehtonen, Sandin + Free agents as significantly cheaper assets on the left hand side, it's a consideration that creates cap flexibility, on a roster where that's hard to do.

I feel like one, or more, of Kerfoot, Anderson and Muzzin will be moved in the off season in order to extend Hyman and create flexibility.
 
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IrishInOntario said:
Agreed. No way I want to lose Brodie, locked up, in his prime at 5m.

That said, moving on from Muzzin (via expansion) and his 5.6 million dollars is an option. With Dermott, Lehtonen, Sandin + Free agents as significantly cheaper assets on the left hand side, it's a consideration that creates cap flexibility, on a roster where that's hard to do.

I feel like one, or more, of Kerfoot, Anderson and Muzzin will be moved in the off season in order to extend Hyman and create flexibility.
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We're losing a valuable piece in expansion. People need to realize that. There's zero scenario where we lose the equivalent of a Leipsic again. At most, we can protect 4 defencemen, and that's if we only protect Tavares, Nylander, Marner, and Matthews up front.

Rielly will be protected, and Holl is frankly probably #2 at this point given performance + contract. Which leaves two spots for Dermott, Brodie, and/or Muzzin. Based on age/caphit, and like you said the fact that Dermott, Sandin, and Lehtonen are all left handed shots + we'd free up 5.6M in capspace that could also be used on a replacement. Muzzin is probably the one you expose (though that's also dependant on performances over the remainder of the season to some extent). Kerfoot/Mikheyev would also be exposed, though unless Mikheyev really takes off and gets back up to his point production from last year, I think Seattle would take one of our D.

The only real alternative is trying to trade picks/prospects with Seattle to protect Muzzin, but given how much we struggle to find capspace, trading one of Sandin, 1st rounder, Robertson, etc to try to protect Muzzin, doesn't make much sense to me.
 
IrishInOntario said:
Agreed. No way I want to lose Brodie, locked up, in his prime at 5m.

That said, moving on from Muzzin (via expansion) and his 5.6 million dollars is an option. With Dermott, Lehtonen, Sandin + Free agents as significantly cheaper assets on the left hand side, it's a consideration that creates cap flexibility, on a roster where that's hard to do.

I feel like one, or more, of Kerfoot, Anderson and Muzzin will be moved in the off season in order to extend Hyman and create flexibility.
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my guess is:

1.) we go 4/4 and protect top 4 d and big 4

expansion. We lose dermott.

2.) we trade kerfoot once bonus is paid for space.

3.) we sign Hyman to a tanev deal. 3.5 x6

4.) we run Campbell in a platoon with a ufa like ulmark/dreiger/gru or trade for korpisalo


We have like 15 million to spend then with

Hyman. Matthews. Marner
Soup. Tavares. Nylander.
Robertson. Xxxxxxx. Xxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxx. Engvall. Anderson

Reilly. Brodie.
Muzzin. Holl
sandin. Lilly
Xxxxx

Campbell

- depending on how bottom 6 goes we can easily get a spezza/Thornton/staal/simmonds type to fill the wings. For cheap.
-I think we need a vet 3rd center. For 3.5 ish. If danault or Lowry would come that would be perfect.
- we need a vet 3rd pair d to help sandin and Lilly get games in. I would take Bogo or look at larson if he would come cheap.
 
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613Leafer said:
We're losing a valuable piece in expansion. People need to realize that. There's zero scenario where we lose the equivalent of a Leipsic again. At most, we can protect 4 defencemen, and that's if we only protect Tavares, Nylander, Marner, and Matthews up front.

Rielly will be protected, and Holl is frankly probably #2 at this point given performance + contract. Which leaves two spots for Dermott, Brodie, and/or Muzzin. Based on age/caphit, and like you said the fact that Dermott, Sandin, and Lehtonen are all left handed shots + we'd free up 5.6M in capspace that could also be used on a replacement. Muzzin is probably the one you expose (though that's also dependant on performances over the remainder of the season to some extent). Kerfoot/Mikheyev would also be exposed, though unless Mikheyev really takes off and gets back up to his point production from last year, I think Seattle would take one of our D.

The only real alternative is trying to trade picks/prospects with Seattle to protect Muzzin, but given how much we struggle to find capspace, trading one of Sandin, 1st rounder, Robertson, etc to try to protect Muzzin, doesn't make much sense to me.
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Yep. I don't want to lose Jake Muzzin, but if we're being realistic, the money invested in Toronto's forward core means that paying the defense is always going to be a concern, and all the more reason why we need to keep the pipeline of good, young defenders open.

This is why I've been a proponent of trying to trade for a guys like Rickard Rackell if you're looking to add to your forward group. For the right deal, the Ducks will retain, which means you can get a guy that was scoring 30 goals per year, for a 1.9 million dollar cap hit, for this year and next. That's the kind of contract that makes sense for if the Leafs want to add up front for a couple years.

On the backend, I like the idea of letting Muzzin go to Seattle (unfortunately) and using your organizational depth to fill the gap left by his departure. Extend Hyman and make a decision on Anderson and his extention. Next year, something like...

Nylander-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Rackell
Hyman-Getzlaf/Staal-Mikheyev
Simmonds-Boyd-Spezza
Robertson

Reilly / Brodie
Dermott / Holl
Sandin or Lehtonen / Bogosian
Liljegren

Anderson
Campbell
 
Who in the forwards do we need to decide on? Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Kerfoot, Hyman if he's resigned before the draft.....
 
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