With all due respect, there is no evidence to suggest this is true. Every indication out of MTL was that Max and Claude did not jive. They moved Max, and eventually Claude. That said, I am not hugely in favor of targeting a guy like him. We need a bit more grit in my opinion. Much rather his teammate Boone Jenner, although I suspect he is a player that is not available
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Never going to happen. Jenner to critical for how the Blue Jackets play their system. Dont get me wrong, would love the guy but it will never happen.
Ya I totally agree. But everyone has a price. Much rather over pay for a guy like him vs over pay for Max Domi
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I wouldnt pay nothing for Domi. He shouldnt be wanted in Toronto at all. He wore out his welcome here when he played for Montreal and opened his mouth way too much.
I was the first person that wanted Domi here in Toronto until he opened his trap about the Toronto fans and its organization. "Second class to Montreal" remember.
His father is ashamed of him as he should be. Would have been some story to have his son play in Toronto. Instead that ship has sailed.
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The Kings are definitely a team I wouldn't mind trading with again. Either Reilly or Dermott could be players that fill their puck-moving LHD hole. Both Vilardi and Madden are intriguing RHS centers. Iafallo and Kempe are both versatile players we could solidify our top-nine with as well.
Max, Like his father is a bit of a showman. When he is talking about Toronto Fans being second to Montreal I think he is talking about the in arena experience. Which he would not be wrong. Scotiabank Arena is a complete library from what I see on TV. Its far too expensive to go to the games in TO and it has been way to cooperate. Similar to here in Vancouver. Try not to take anything personal from what he is saying, he is still a GTA guy, who would love to play for his dads former club and also has a history with Mitch. He is not my preferred target, but he certainly would play his heart out for the Leafs
He is by no means someone who despises the organization like Josh Gorges did
BertCorbeau
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Dermott is a good fit for them .. Something around Iafallo or Kempe could be fair deals
BertCorbeau
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Probably important to remember that Sandin is out with an injury until mid-March too .. So our left D depth is hurting.
Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
I would rather keep Kerfoot and the pick if I am being honest.
Why does everyone want to move Kerfoot for equal players anyway? We have him under contract and he's playing pretty well.
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Who else can you move in order to get the top 6 forward Leafs are interested in? It is either Kerfoot or Nylander in my books.
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Like ToneDog said he's really the only realistic option if someone of value is coming in based on contracts coming in and out.
Kerfoot is playing fine for Toronto, there just has to be money out if there is money in and value out if value is coming in.
They probably wouldn't retain that much on Domi this early anyway. But, it's fun to speculate and may be possible the more he struggles in their system.
Domi brings that jam that is coveted by a lot of fans here.
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The thing is that we don't really need to take on a huge contract like that. I don't think Dubas is going to look to make huge moves which drastically shake up the roster when the team is doing very well. He will likely take an approach similar to last year, where he really only made one move of note to fill a big hole longer term (backup) and get a rental thrown in for the 4th line (Clifford).
The Leafs do not have any big holes this year, assuming Andersen can play consistently, so Dubas will likely will just get a relatively cheap rental (or maybe non-rental if the price is right) to play at 3C (or maybe 2LW) and not touch anyone of importance. Kerfoot counts as someone of importance right now.
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Thornton - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - XXX - Simmonds
Mikheyev - Spezza - XXX
ex. Boyd - Galchenyuk
I see the forward group that. Like you said it could be a winger and Kerfoot as 3C. But, a 3C like Eric Staal or a winger like Mikael Granlund. Then, it makes sense to me to have a banger for line #4 to go to war with in the playoffs like Sam Bennett. Other than that losing Pierre Engvall's small contract and getting a 3rd goalie to compete with Hutchinson would be minor tweaks that I could see.
Probably nothing major in season.
Mickey Marner
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Not a big fan of Domi. Great skills, but doesn't think the game very well and is paid twice what he's worth. He also dragged down Marner's numbers when they played a month or so together with the Knights. He's miscast as a center and should be a full-time 3rd line LW, who can agitate and provide scoring depth.
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The (only) evidence I can offer you here, anonymously, on a random hockey chatter board, is that I know a few guys who grew up playing with him (and also against him) being in the same team/age class/group as him, from minors up to and including the NHL, and they (multiple friends and acquaintances) have been pretty convincing that he's always been the least liked guy in a dressing room, and for good reason. I won't get into specifics of the multiple stories involved, but I came at this a couple years ago from the same place in speculating he'd be a good leaf. Sure, a lot can change in a year or two I guess.
Ya I certainly can see an angle where he may not be well liked. He would have had the silver spoon treatment with his last name and upbringing, and he has a very flamboyant/over the top personality publicly. His social media annoys me, so I can only imagine how much it annoys his teammates. Very similar to PK, wherein I get the perception from them both that everyone around them is part of "The Max Show" and "The PK Show" whether they want to be or not. I personally think its a bit much at times and a sign of insecurity personally. But I can respect them trying to build a brand outside of hockey as well. Nonetheless, the good news is we have Mitch as an advocate or detractor. If Max is that unpopular, they will 100% consult with Mitch before making that move. Word gets around in the league, and if Max carries a reputation as an unpopular teammate, KD already knows about it.
I know it would never happen, but I'd trade Rielly before any of Muzzin, Sandin, Lehtonen, or Dermott.
In terms of value, I think you're losing on any trade involving Dermott. Sandin has huge value, but if he's as good as everyone thinks he could be, you wouldn't want to deal him anyways. Muzzin is our best D, he's not going anywhere.
I would do a Rielly, Fred, + for Gibson, Drysdale any day, but I doubt the Ducks would.
Not sure what Dahlin is worth these days, and if Buffalo is in win now mode, but I'd offer Rielly++
Would also offer him up to Dallas in return for Harley plus some combo of Bourque/Dellandrea.
Basically I'd rather have a 2-Way D instead of Rielly. After watching Muzzin, Holl, Brodie play a really good 200 foot game, it's obvious that those are the ones you want in the ice during all situations. Add to the fact Muzzin if producing better than Rielly 5 on 5 despite way harder competition, it's a not brainer that if you can get a comparable D to Rielly, but will give up a bit of offence, for defence you have to do it. Plus right now Rielly is massively overrated, so let some other GM get stuck holding the bag.
In terms of value, I think you're losing on any trade involving Dermott. Sandin has huge value, but if he's as good as everyone thinks he could be, you wouldn't want to deal him anyways. Muzzin is our best D, he's not going anywhere.
I would do a Rielly, Fred, + for Gibson, Drysdale any day, but I doubt the Ducks would.
Not sure what Dahlin is worth these days, and if Buffalo is in win now mode, but I'd offer Rielly++
Would also offer him up to Dallas in return for Harley plus some combo of Bourque/Dellandrea.
Basically I'd rather have a 2-Way D instead of Rielly. After watching Muzzin, Holl, Brodie play a really good 200 foot game, it's obvious that those are the ones you want in the ice during all situations. Add to the fact Muzzin if producing better than Rielly 5 on 5 despite way harder competition, it's a not brainer that if you can get a comparable D to Rielly, but will give up a bit of offence, for defence you have to do it. Plus right now Rielly is massively overrated, so let some other GM get stuck holding the bag.
Critical13
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There is no chance Anaheim considers that.
Drysdale looks like a young Neidermyer out there. He could be the best player from last years draft 10 years from now.
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Have to agree. Personally I think Dante Fabbro makes a much more realistic target.
If LA is looking for a LD, you’d have to think they’d be interested in Dermott. He basically checks off all the boxes. I’d consider Kempe. Iafallo would be nice but he’d be a pure rental. Dermott + Engvall for Kempe to make the salaries basically even?
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We'd need to bring in a strong PKer if you are dropping both Vesey and Engvall... Especially with Andersen struggling on the PK right now. So I'd value special teams ability over a "banger" like Bennett any day, especially if Calgary expects any kind of real value in return for a heavily retained Bennett. TBH I am not sure the 4th line will play all that much in the playoffs outside of playing on special teams, so if the guy is not a good PP or PK option (Spezza, Simmonds, Mikheyev, Engvall, and Vesey are all good on special teams even if most of them are not doing the best at ES right now), then he likely won't play no matter how much he hits.
I don't think Granlund fits here at all. He's struggled offensively for 3 years now, he's never been a great defensive player and sucks on the PK, he is not big or physical, and he is a pure winger. If we needed a cheap offensive punch to our 3rd line, then maybe he makes sense, but if we really wanted that then we could just throw Galchenyuk or Simmonds on the 3rd line, or add a 3C like Staal who provides that kind of punch.
We can explore a 4th line upgrade, but it shouldn't be a priority. Same with upgrading Hutch... Not sure why the Leafs bother doing that when we almost certainly won't be using a #3 in the playoffs and there are nobody who can clear waivers and end up on the taxi squad will be able to win a playoff series for us barring a miracle. Upgrading Engvall at 3C should be the priority, and we can use Engvall as the piece to do it.
Quarantine is another consideration. Getting a good 3C is worth the quarantine, but getting a 4th liner is probably not worth it. Canada doesn't have much to offer us outside of Stepan for 3C and Pearson for 2LW (if we keep Kerfoot at 3C). Neither should command much in terms of a return and would require 50% retention.
I'm pretty sure Fabbro is one of the only 3 untouchables on Nashville. Fabbro, Josi, Ellis
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