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Trades and Free Agency 2021 | Trade Deadline 6 weeks away

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LeafChief said:
People are talking about protecting Holl in the 4/4 option because he brings value at his price. If Dermott will re-sign for less, can't he bring similar value for even cheaper?

I hated Holl but he's forced me to come around on him. With that said, Liljegren needs to get in next season (and Muzzin would be a perfect partner for him) so losing Holl wouldn't be the end of the world.

Who knows, maybe Seattle picks Kerfoot and we replace him with a 1-2 million 3 without losing much in terms of output.
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The issue is we know Holl can play those tough minutes well (even if its in part helped by Muzzin) Dermott is still a question mark in that regard.

If we view the Leafs as a "win now" team (which imo they are), then they'll keep the sure thing
 
Kiwi said:
If that's what he wants you let him go

I like Hyman but I wouldn't give a secondary player like him a contract I don't think is justifiable with our cap structure

I care about
a) how will it age
b) does it limit my cap flexibility to fill out the rest of the roster
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Id be willing to give Hyman term if he'd agree to a caphit that works (3-3.75 mil) and then just frontload it
 
TMLAM34 said:
Well let’s see,

Crawford has two Stanley Cups, almost 500 NHL games under his belt and a proven starter in this league while being named an all-star twice on top of winning awards. He also got signed for 3.9 million by the team that signed Simmonds to a 1 year contract at 5 million and has the plenty of cap space. There’s a reason why Chicago let him go because he’s not worth that money.

Khudobin was a major reason Dallas made it all the way to the Stanley Cup finals, not to mention he posted a season with a 93% save percentage. He also had a 92.3% save percentage the previous year, both very good numbers that Ullmark hasn’t accomplished. Khudobin signed a 3 years 3.33 million dollar per contract.

I think everyone scratched their heads when Minnesota signed Talbot for 3.6 on a 3 year contract, clearly they were desperate to add a goalie who has NHL experience.

Greiss, well he clearly benefited from playing behind a strong defensive team the past two years. 92.7% save percentage 2 years ago followed by a solid 91.3%. There’s a reason he joined a team like Detroit who’s clearly battling Ottawa for last place for 3.6 million because no other team would have paid him that or probably anywhere close to that. I guarantee you if the Leafs offered him 3 million to play on a Stanley Cup contender, he would have signed. Not to mention 3.6 million for a goaltender with a 89% save percentage ain’t looking very good right now...

I may have been over exaggerating a little when I mentioned we could sign Ullmark for 2.75, it would probably have to be between 3-3.25 but he isn’t getting more than that. Not from a contending team at least.
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Well said, I think Ullmark is good but much like Campbell they're not proven like the goalies above. That's weighed pretty heavily with goalie contracts, and a competitive tandem situation could be a way to fetch out your next starter just before they really prove themselves and therefore the money $$$. Who knows what Ullmark wants and what he values... I do know he's been on a losing team and seems on the verge of becoming a starter; Toronto's situation could be enticing even if there's a little more money elsewhere. It could also be viewed as short term loss $ for long term $ opportunity. If he proves himself as a starter on a team that's winning, winning the starting job in a tandem, and potentially winning some games in the playoffs: that will look good for him and could payoff. Going to a bad team for short term $ may actually deflate his numbers, although that may already be the case in Buffalo somewhat.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Alright, so I did the leanest lineup possible without a 3C or extras.

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Here are the concerns:

1) You will need to give Liljegren, Sandin, Campbell, and Rielly raises next year and really the only other place you are going to find real savings is the 1.2 mill from Kessel and the 900k from Mikheyev to ELC/bargain bin. We may get a very small cap increase as well. Rielly + Campbell's raises alone would chew that up and then some, but we can bridge Liljegren and Sandin until Muzzin and Brodie expire.
2) You would need to find eventual replacements for Spezza, Thornton, Mikheyev, and Simmonds who are all providing surplus value on their current deals.
3) We are putting a lot of faith into guys like Thornton, Simmonds, and Spezza to not fall off of a cliff, which can happen at any time, and for guys like Ullmark/Campbell, Anderson, Sandin, Liljegren and Robertson to be able to step up in some key positions.
4) A worthwhile 3C will eat up at least half of the remaining cap, and we are being optimistic about some of the other deals (i.e. Ullmark, who could easily end up making 3.5 mill on his next deal, and 4 mill was on the low range of your projection for Hyman). Add in depth guys and we are maxed out.

Effectively, the money you are giving Hyman as an overpayment prevents us from spending money on a proper starting goalie or having better depth. We can maneuver the rest, but goaltending and depth is not something we should completely cheap out on.
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Yes it would be rough but it's still what I think we see happen. Personally I'd give Hyman 5 x 3.5 +- 0.5M depending on -+ a year
 
hockeynorth said:
Yes it would be rough but it's still what I think we see happen. Personally I'd give Hyman 5 x 3.5 +- 0.5M depending on -+ a year
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5 years at 3.5 would be fair for both sides. You’re not getting Hyman under 3.5 million per.
 
Two forward groups I would like, a lot, heading into the playoffs this year.

Preferably...

Nylander-Matthews-Marner
Thornton-Tavares-Rackell
Hyman-Kerfoot-Mikheyev
Simmonds-Boyd-Spezza
Robertson ? Galchenyuk

Alternatively...

Thornton-Matthews-Marner
Ryan-Tavares-Nylander
Hyman-Kerfoot-Mikheyev
Simmonds-Boyd-Spezza
Robertson / Galchenyuk

I think both of those groups are deep, complete and most importantly... Attainable. Rackell would come with 1.9 million in retention for the Ducks, making the cap hit 1.9 million next year for Toronto. Ryan is signed for 1.0 million. I think you could extend him for cheap heading into next year if he wound up being a good roster fit.
 
Hope we acquire a Campbell/Jake Allen type this summer and head into next season with a 1A/B situation. Cap savings would be huge.
 
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13MatsSundin said:
Tyler Bertuzzi to me is a guy that checks all the boxes for us.
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I agree. He’s an RFA after the season so I’m sure if we add a little sweetener, the Wings can retain 50% of his contract. Just not sure what the Wings would be looking for in return, I think the deal would have to start with our 1st round draft pick and Dermott which I’m not opposed to...
 
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If we're talking Red Wings, give me Bobby Ryan at 500k to play with Tavares. Hell you could get Detroit to retain, get him for 250k and still add another piece, such as Eric Staal.

Thornton-Matthews-Marner
Ryan-Tavares-Nylander
Kerfoot-Staal-Hyman
Mikheyev-Spezza-Simmonds
Boyd / Robertson

Yes please.
 
IrishInOntario said:
If we're talking Red Wings, give me Bobby Ryan at 500k to play with Tavares. Hell you could get Detroit to retain, get him for 250k and still add another piece, such as Eric Staal.

Thornton-Matthews-Marner
Ryan-Tavares-Nylander
Kerfoot-Staal-Hyman
Mikheyev-Spezza-Simmonds
Boyd / Robertson

Yes please.
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Bobby Ryan is ok but I would pass on Eric Staal. I think the leafs are focused more on a defensive checking 3rd line.

The C I would target is Derek Grant. Would be cheaper option. Perfect player for the bottom 6 for a contending Team
 
1. Bobby Ryan (50% Retained) for Petan + 3rd.

2. Vesey + 4th for Derek Grant

Thornton - Mathews - Marner
Ryan - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Grant - Hyman
Mikheyev - Spezza - Simmonds
Engvall
Galchenyuk

Lots of versatility for line switching if Keefe wants
 
sxvnert said:
Hope we acquire a Campbell/Jake Allen type this summer and head into next season with a 1A/B situation. Cap savings would be huge.
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I would go cheaper though and target a big goalie with decent underlying numbers at the NHL level. Ullmark would be a target but even a guy like Stolarz would be a good option imo. Go as cheap as possibly while still having good depth.
 
OVO16 said:
Bobby Ryan is ok but I would pass on Eric Staal. I think the leafs are focused more on a defensive checking 3rd line.

The C I would target is Derek Grant. Would be cheaper option. Perfect player for the bottom 6 for a contending Team
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Grant is fine. Big body and not totally useless offensively. Definitely brings some defensive mindset to the equation. I don't like that's line offensive ability a whole lot, but if you're adding Ryan to your top 6, I'm definitely open to the idea of balancing him with a more defensively responsible, two way player.

What I like about guys like Ryan and Grant is that you can add them without giving up any of your valuable prospects. None of Liljegren, Sandin, Robertson, Amirov, Niemela or the 2021 1st round pick have to go back the other way to get them.

I know Leafs won't disrupt the roster this much, but here is the real dream lol...

Trade a Draft Pick to Detroit for Bobby Ryan retained.

Trade your 2021 1st round pick, Alex Kerfoot, Pierre Engvall and a prospect, for Rickard Rackell (retained) and Derek Grant (retained)

Rackell-Matthews-Marner
Ryan-Tavares-Nylander
Thornton-Grant-Hyman
Simmonds-Spezza-Mikheyev
Boyd / Robertson

That's a cup contending forward group, IMO.
 
sxvnert said:
Hope we acquire a Campbell/Jake Allen type this summer and head into next season with a 1A/B situation. Cap savings would be huge.
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I've been beating the Georgiev drum for awhile. The above is exactly what id like to do as well. Or failing that Driedgier is also pretty interesting.

I like the idea of adding Grant . Ryan hasn't been effective since the first week of the season though. Namesnekov would be a solid low key add as well imo.
 
I'm most curious to see how the Leafs move forward with the Mikheyev/Engvall/Hyman line. This, to me, is the cornerstone of how the Leafs may move forward. I'd be playing them against the top lines of Edmonton, Van and Winnipeg to see if we have a shut-down unit. The MacDavid, Petterson/Horvat, and Schiefele lines are as good a test as you're going to find in the NHL. If our three can limit the damage, regardless of how they contribute offensively, then I think we try to make a splash.
 
I'd like to see Boone Jenner - he can play C or LW. Not sure the ask?
Also, it would be great to have Brendan Lemieux for the playoffs, just a complete pain to throw some jam into the 4th line.
Also Tyler Bertuzzi as above, but I would guess the ask for him is much bigger.
 
There are expansion draft considerations if trading for guys like Bertuzzi or Jenner.

We can only protect more than our main four forwards if we only protect 3 D.
 
OVO16 said:
Bobby Ryan is ok but I would pass on Eric Staal. I think the leafs are focused more on a defensive checking 3rd line.

The C I would target is Derek Grant. Would be cheaper option. Perfect player for the bottom 6 for a contending Team
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I like Grant, but he's a 4C, more than a 3C... I would expect more offense out of a 3C than Grant will provide.
 
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OVO16 said:
Bobby Ryan is ok but I would pass on Eric Staal. I think the leafs are focused more on a defensive checking 3rd line.

The C I would target is Derek Grant. Would be cheaper option. Perfect player for the bottom 6 for a contending Team
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Dreaded double post.
 
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