Ekholm would be an unreal pickup for Philly. They got the pieces to acquire him as well without totally stripping down their roster.
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Ekholm would be an unreal pickup for Philly. They got the pieces to acquire him as well without totally stripping down their roster.
He would be a good addition, not sure if Ottawa would want to trade him though and what it would take to acquire him.
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Not Kassian, but I would strongly consider Eller or pre-injury Byron as much as Hyman.
He can ask for it, but he won't get it from us or likely any other team. Pageau is a shutdown center and he is not even worth his contract. Danault may get that kind of deal, but even that is a major overpayment. That's why I am not looking at Lou and Benning contracts as comparables... All of their similar deals (Komarov, Beagle, Roussel, Pageau, etc.) have been major overpayments for their teams.
No, he has not. He hasn't been better than any of our big 4 forwards. He may be our 5th best forward, which would put him in that 3.5 mill range if he wants to stay here.
If Hyman thinks he is Killorn, he can have fun finding that contract from another team. He's not a 4 mill player in a good economic climate, and he certainly is not one in the middle of a cash-strapped pandemic. There are plenty of alternatives we can turn to (Coleman, McGinn, Goodrow, Laughton, etc.) to fill Hyman's role for far less than that.
He's a great role player, but role players don't make 4+ mill a season unless they are elite 3C's, and even then it is a stretch. We'd be paying him on the high end of that scale as it is (at 3.5 mill), and he benefits greatly from playing with guys like Matthews, Tavares, Marner, and Nylander. You think he is a 4+ mill player if he was playing on our 3rd line the entire time? Not on a team where we spend money on core players instead of role players.
If that's what he wants you let him go
I like Hyman but I wouldn't give a secondary player like him a contract I don't think is justifiable with our cap structure
I care about
a) how will it age
b) does it limit my cap flexibility to fill out the rest of the roster
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yea I do. Do you think he's been overplayed this season? He's been played 19:45 a game, while Tavares & Nylander have played 17:56 & 16:18 per game. Maybe you should take over for Sheldon Keefe or let him know he's been playing him too much all this time. I'm not saying he is better than Tavares & Nylander, they are better and make 11m & 6.96m respectively, but he has been better so far this season.
What do you even mean by role players all players have roles, some "roll players" are in fact great players with value.
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Hyman is one of, in not my favourite Leaf.
I love his ethic, his effort, desire and total commitment.
However, he still has a value. If he wants way over it, you let him go elsewhere and get paid.
I do think he'll take a discount, however. He's a wealthy bloke from a very wealthy family and he seems to love playing in Toronto. Did he not tell Florida he wanted to leave so he could play in Toronto? That's a huge risk in itself. If he still wants to play for the Leafs, I think he'll leave money on the table.
I love his ethic, his effort, desire and total commitment.
However, he still has a value. If he wants way over it, you let him go elsewhere and get paid.
I do think he'll take a discount, however. He's a wealthy bloke from a very wealthy family and he seems to love playing in Toronto. Did he not tell Florida he wanted to leave so he could play in Toronto? That's a huge risk in itself. If he still wants to play for the Leafs, I think he'll leave money on the table.
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Fear is the mind-killer.
I'd love to lock up Hyman on a really long term, and get that cap hit down. I want to see him retire a Leaf.
Suggestions of 5m/yr are way too rich for me, though. That's what we signed our best defenceman for (Brodie).
Suggestions of 5m/yr are way too rich for me, though. That's what we signed our best defenceman for (Brodie).
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He should be playing less than Tavares and Nylander, so yes he is being overplayed. He's a hard working and valuable player, but he is not a player you play 20 minutes a night consistently. 16-17 minutes at best.
Hell no
With his playing style there's no way I'd be giving him excessive term, he's a candidate to fall off a cliff in his early 30's, let alone the injury risk we'd be taking on
I don't care where he retires, just so long as we get his best playing years and avoid his inevitable decline
Im hopefully Philly lands him without giving up a roster D, as it opens them up as trade partners at the TDL / before the expansion draft.
Ekholm, Provorov, Gost, Sanheim, Myers, Braun and Hagg are all able to be picked.
Would love to take a run at Myers, who IMO is the perfect defensively responsible guy to bring in to play RHD long term with Liljgren, Sandin, and Dermott.
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I think someone would give it to him, not us though. I'm expecting us to resign him for like 4 or 4,25M per
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By not re-signing Andersen. Look at signing Ullmark at anywhere between 2.75-3 million which would free up 2-2.25 million. You then use that money in re-signing Hyman.
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Sign him for 3.25x5 gives him a million dollar raise, locks him up for 5 years. Push his children's books and get him some endorsement deals. He kinda reminds me of Colby Armstrong during his prime. And we all know how quickly he dropped off.
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Nevermind the fact that it is extremely risky for a team as good as ours to be running a tandem of Campbell-Ullmark next year, Ullmark made 2.6 mill as an RFA last year. Why would he take 2.75-3 mill as a 28 year old when Greiss, Talbot, Khudobin, Crawford, etc. are getting money in the 3.5-4 mill range as tandem starters?
You would also need to find money to give Campbell at least a 1.5 mill raise on his next deal, so now you have no money to get him re-signed... And we are also looking at Rielly's raise of 1.5-2 mill too.
Re-signing Hyman is a much lower priority than re-signing a starting goalie and #1 defenseman.
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Alright, so I did the leanest lineup possible without a 3C or extras.
Here are the concerns:
1) You will need to give Liljegren, Sandin, Campbell, and Rielly raises next year and really the only other place you are going to find real savings is the 1.2 mill from Kessel and the 900k from Mikheyev to ELC/bargain bin. We may get a very small cap increase as well. Rielly + Campbell's raises alone would chew that up and then some, but we can bridge Liljegren and Sandin until Muzzin and Brodie expire.
2) You would need to find eventual replacements for Spezza, Thornton, Mikheyev, and Simmonds who are all providing surplus value on their current deals.
3) We are putting a lot of faith into guys like Thornton, Simmonds, and Spezza to not fall off of a cliff, which can happen at any time, and for guys like Ullmark/Campbell, Anderson, Sandin, Liljegren and Robertson to be able to step up in some key positions.
4) A worthwhile 3C will eat up at least half of the remaining cap, and we are being optimistic about some of the other deals (i.e. Ullmark, who could easily end up making 3.5 mill on his next deal, and 4 mill was on the low range of your projection for Hyman). Add in depth guys and we are maxed out.
Effectively, the money you are giving Hyman as an overpayment prevents us from spending money on a proper starting goalie or having better depth. We can maneuver the rest, but goaltending and depth is not something we should completely cheap out on.
Well let’s see,
Crawford has two Stanley Cups, almost 500 NHL games under his belt and a proven starter in this league while being named an all-star twice on top of winning awards. He also got signed for 3.9 million by the team that signed Simmonds to a 1 year contract at 5 million and has the plenty of cap space. There’s a reason why Chicago let him go because he’s not worth that money.
Khudobin was a major reason Dallas made it all the way to the Stanley Cup finals, not to mention he posted a season with a 93% save percentage. He also had a 92.3% save percentage the previous year, both very good numbers that Ullmark hasn’t accomplished. Khudobin signed a 3 years 3.33 million dollar per contract.
I think everyone scratched their heads when Minnesota signed Talbot for 3.6 on a 3 year contract, clearly they were desperate to add a goalie who has NHL experience.
Greiss, well he clearly benefited from playing behind a strong defensive team the past two years. 92.7% save percentage 2 years ago followed by a solid 91.3%. There’s a reason he joined a team like Detroit who’s clearly battling Ottawa for last place for 3.6 million because no other team would have paid him that or probably anywhere close to that. I guarantee you if the Leafs offered him 3 million to play on a Stanley Cup contender, he would have signed. Not to mention 3.6 million for a goaltender with a 89% save percentage ain’t looking very good right now...
I may have been over exaggerating a little when I mentioned we could sign Ullmark for 2.75, it would probably have to be between 3-3.25 but he isn’t getting more than that. Not from a contending team at least.
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Why are you so worried about what happens in two years? So much can happen between now and then. The salary cap might increase if they can get fans in the arenas, maybe Muzzin’s game declines and gets moved, maybe Liljegren becomes a good second pairing dman, maybe Sandin replaces Rielly, the list goes on and on. Let’s worry one season at a time... f*** if you’re worried about two years from now, be worried about 3 when it could possibly be Matthews last in Toronto... lol
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Perhaps, but we've still seen guys coming off of RFA contracts go in the high 2's and if you are willing to find another 2 mill, you can get a legit starter rather than a tandem starter.
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Dubas has already planned ahead with guys like Matthews and Nylander. Didn't you notice that Muzzin and Brodie both expire at the same time as Matthews and Nylander, or that Marner expires at the same time as Tavares? Do you think that was by accident? 11 mill opens up in both of those years for guys we will be able to replace/re-sign for far less than that.
When we are talking about 4 (or even 5) year terms with Hyman, you need to look at how you are going to fit him in throughout the entire term. GM's know plans change, but the ones who are not getting their asses fired all of the time also know they need a better plan than "we will figure it out in 2 or 3 years".
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Okay high two’s, so let’s say 2.75 million, find another two and we’re at 4.75 million. What starter are you signing for 4.75 million that’s a clear upgrade over Ullmark? The only other option would potentially be Kuemper who makes 4.5 million and the last time I heard Arizona was looking for at least a 1st round draft pick in return. Another option could be either Korpisalo or Merzilkins. Merzilkins has another year after this year at 4 million which isn’t a bad option but I don’t think he’s a very big upgrade on Ullmark.
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