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Another article from the Athletic pushing Granlund to the Leafs with pros and cons.
Are the Maple Leafs and Mikael Granlund a trade fit? Breaking down his game, acquisition cost, more
They compared Granlund to the Zuccarello and Nyquist trades, which were both for a 2nd and a 3rd round pick (some conditions to either).
Are the Maple Leafs and Mikael Granlund a trade fit? Breaking down his game, acquisition cost, more
They compared Granlund to the Zuccarello and Nyquist trades, which were both for a 2nd and a 3rd round pick (some conditions to either).
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According to some, Granlund is not a top 6 forward, no better than some of our depth players, and the rumours are Leafs are looking for a top 6 forward.
According to some, Granlund is not a top 6 forward, no better than some of our depth players, and the rumours are Leafs are looking for a top 6 forward.
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Im not sure that I would be interested in someone like Granlund. I would be more inclined to give that up for someone like Foligno, Ryan, JT Miller, Bennett, Hall, etc...
Obviously the cost could vary depending on which one, but I would rather have them on the 2nd line then Granlund.
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The biggest con, might just be that we really don't have the cap space, without a pretty big subtraction. Or, there is a three way trade, similar to how we withheld cap on the Lehner to Vegas deal last year.
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He's definitely a 2nd line level player. Nashville is also a dumpster fire in terms of offense. To say he isn't a "top 6 forward" or better than other options is a little much. I think he's better than the majority of our options.
I am sure those players are options. The one thing Granlund has over them is his ability to play center and Nashville putting up the selling sign. They are also likely fine with retaining salary, unlike the teams for the players you listed.
Sounds like with full 50% retention the Leafs can fit him in... Not sure completely though.
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What type of winger would compliment JT and willy?
A fast and speedy type?
A heavy on the puck and play along the boards type?
A two way winger with good anticipation and a heavy shot?
A highly skilled, playmaker?
I'm thinking if options for those categories and I see these breakdowns
Group 1: Granlund, Rakell, Palmieri, Hertl(center can play wing)
Group 2: Foligno, Lowry(make him a winger), Comtois(probably not available), Wood, Pavelski, Pearson
Group 3: Kase(maybe a buy low add), Zacha(center but can play winger), Faksa(same as Zacha), Jarnkork
Group 4: Hall, Radulov, Mantha, Forsberg
From these groupings I wonder which Dubas would be looking into adding? There is probably overlap between some players as they can fit into multiple playstyles
A guy who I'd love to get who might not be on table is Oliver Bjorkstad. On last year of cheap deal before he begins his 6 year 5.4 contract. Looks like a 55 point winger on CBJ so expect offense to shine in Toronto
I'd pay the price for him
Kerfoot+2021 1st + Nic Robertson for Oliver Bjorkstrad
Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Nylander-Tavares-Bjorkstrad
Simmonds-Engvall-Mikheyev
Thornton-Boyd-Spezza
That is a filthy forward group. Could even upgrade 4C with a Grant trade and have Boyd rotate with Grant in the team
A fast and speedy type?
A heavy on the puck and play along the boards type?
A two way winger with good anticipation and a heavy shot?
A highly skilled, playmaker?
I'm thinking if options for those categories and I see these breakdowns
Group 1: Granlund, Rakell, Palmieri, Hertl(center can play wing)
Group 2: Foligno, Lowry(make him a winger), Comtois(probably not available), Wood, Pavelski, Pearson
Group 3: Kase(maybe a buy low add), Zacha(center but can play winger), Faksa(same as Zacha), Jarnkork
Group 4: Hall, Radulov, Mantha, Forsberg
From these groupings I wonder which Dubas would be looking into adding? There is probably overlap between some players as they can fit into multiple playstyles
A guy who I'd love to get who might not be on table is Oliver Bjorkstad. On last year of cheap deal before he begins his 6 year 5.4 contract. Looks like a 55 point winger on CBJ so expect offense to shine in Toronto
I'd pay the price for him
Kerfoot+2021 1st + Nic Robertson for Oliver Bjorkstrad
Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Nylander-Tavares-Bjorkstrad
Simmonds-Engvall-Mikheyev
Thornton-Boyd-Spezza
That is a filthy forward group. Could even upgrade 4C with a Grant trade and have Boyd rotate with Grant in the team
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I don't think they have that big of a preference on the type of forward they want. I think the forward just needs to have a track record of offense and being able to play up in the lineup, to be efficient and likely either someone on an expiring contract (rental) or extremely affordable going into next season.
Granlund has been on their radar for awhile. I think that says a lot about the kind of forward they want.
I don't buy the Foligno rumours at all, especially with Columbus in the mix for a playoff spot and that team isn't rebuilding anytime soon. Same for Bjorkstrand who is signed to a fairly expensive contract for very average production. Giving up Kerfoot, a 1st AND Robertson for Bjorkstrand is very irresponsible to say the least... That's the kind of package you giving up for a top line-esque player... aka Forsberg.
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Personally I'd say Bjorkstrad is > Forsberg as a player and as an asset/fit to our team long term. Just my honest opinion. I get the hesitation in paying the price but Bjorkstrad has been right there with Forsberg in offensive production
Over the past two years
Bjorkstrad has 54 pts in 75 games or a 59 pts/82 game pace while playing around 17ish minutes a night on a low scoring offensive team (similar to Nsh who are also very low scoring
Forsberg has 74 pts in 98 games with 21 power play points the past two years or good for 62 pts per 82 games. He has played about 18 minutes a game the past two years.
Their offensive production has been quite close with very minor edge to FF due to power player production. On Toronto whichever winger we get wont play on top PP, so I'd rather find a guy who can produce more of his points at EVS playing with 91 and 88.
Possession stats wise both are strong players though FF starts 60% in the offensive zone while Bjorkstrad starts about 50/50 split
Forsberg is a year older and has only 1 year left after this I believe at 6M making it nearly impossible to keep him around long term
While Bjorkstrad makes 2 million and change this year before starting a 6 year 5.4 Million deal. We save 600k next year and then have him locked in for sure less than FF will get as a UFA.
Kerfoot has been solid but the chance to add a 30+30 guy locked up for next 7 years (including this season) is a dream come true and really makes our forward core unmatchable
Losing robertson will suck but we have Amirov down the line along with abramov/hirvonen/hallinder to take the 3C slot. Trading a 1st is inconsequential this year with the draft being wonkers and us being a late pick most likley
I dont see a better fit both play style wise and contract wise moving forward than Bjorkstrad. If we are paying a premium asset like Robertson along with a 1st plus a solid 3rd line NHL player I want a player with term who can he part of our long term plans
Expansion draft wise you lose one of holl or dermott and can keep the other which doesnt matter with snadin+lilijgren ready next year and hopefully niemela in 2 years.
The only issue I see is how it fits capwise next year as we need to rid ourselves of 1.9M or see a cap increase a bit
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We wont be getting Bjorkstrad so its a moot point. That isnt the type of acquisition that makes sense at this time for the Leafs. Pointless discussion.
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Yea that's fair his name isnt on the market and to get him we would have to make an insane overpayment (add sandin/lilijgren to that package). I disagree that he isn't the type of acquisition which would make sense for the leafs at the time, lmhe would be amongst the best players for fits to add to the leafs team just haven't heard his name available and he was signed recently to a long term deal
Granlund Matthews Marner
Hall Tavares Nylander
Mik Staal Hyman
Thornton Spezza Simmonds
Get it done!
or
Nylander Matthews Marner
Hall Tavares Hyman
Thornton Staal Simmonds
Mik Spezza Robertson
Hall Tavares Nylander
Mik Staal Hyman
Thornton Spezza Simmonds
Get it done!
or
Nylander Matthews Marner
Hall Tavares Hyman
Thornton Staal Simmonds
Mik Spezza Robertson
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Heavy retention can get it done. In some instances a three way deal with multiple retentions may be needed (Similar to the Lehner deal Dubas pulled off last year).
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Things of need. PK is average at best. Could be heavier. Another top six winger.
Thornton Matthews Marner
Comtois/Rakell Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Spezza Comtois/Rakell
Hyman Grant Simmonds
Rakell, Grant (both at 50%), Comtois for Kerfoot, Vesey, Roberston, 2021 1st.
Which is fine and everything on the face of it, but then the expansion draft, and Rakell likely gets selected. Rakell gets selected, and suddenly it wasn't such a good trade.
I mean, if it wasn't for the expansion draft, you've picked up Grant, one of the best defensive and PK C's in the league, with some physicality... a need. Comtois will be a RFA, and due for a raise, which could be a concern, but he's a big body winger, who can play physical, has offensive upside (is leading Ducks in scoring), and will be part of the team for years. Rakell becomes a UFA in two years, if you don't lose him to expansion draft. This would be one heck of a lineup long-term, if you didn't lose Rakell in the expansion draft.
On the flipside, now you've guaranteed that you aren't losing Holl or Dermott either... Unless you make the conscious decision that you'd rather lose one of them over Rakell, which is a cost too.
7:3:1 Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Rakell, Grant, Mikheyev Brodie, Rielly, Muzzin
Or
4:4:1 Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares Brodie, Rielly, Muzzin, Holl
Either way, it looks like Dermott gets exposed. Maybe you pay them to take Dermott?
Thornton Matthews Marner
Comtois/Rakell Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Spezza Comtois/Rakell
Hyman Grant Simmonds
Rakell, Grant (both at 50%), Comtois for Kerfoot, Vesey, Roberston, 2021 1st.
Which is fine and everything on the face of it, but then the expansion draft, and Rakell likely gets selected. Rakell gets selected, and suddenly it wasn't such a good trade.
I mean, if it wasn't for the expansion draft, you've picked up Grant, one of the best defensive and PK C's in the league, with some physicality... a need. Comtois will be a RFA, and due for a raise, which could be a concern, but he's a big body winger, who can play physical, has offensive upside (is leading Ducks in scoring), and will be part of the team for years. Rakell becomes a UFA in two years, if you don't lose him to expansion draft. This would be one heck of a lineup long-term, if you didn't lose Rakell in the expansion draft.
On the flipside, now you've guaranteed that you aren't losing Holl or Dermott either... Unless you make the conscious decision that you'd rather lose one of them over Rakell, which is a cost too.
7:3:1 Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Rakell, Grant, Mikheyev Brodie, Rielly, Muzzin
Or
4:4:1 Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares Brodie, Rielly, Muzzin, Holl
Either way, it looks like Dermott gets exposed. Maybe you pay them to take Dermott?
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I don't see how Anaheim does this for Comtois. He co-leads the team in pts as a 22 year old winger. Why would Anaheim include him in a Rackell deal? I wouldn't. I don't even know if Robertson + our 1st gets Comtois. After that it's Vesey and Kerfoot for Rackell and Grant both at 50%? Not happening my friend.
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Grant is worth about a 5th on his own, according the Ducks fans I've talked with. Same Ducks fans believe Roberston has more talent than Comtois, and has more value. Maybe others disagree. But, if more needed to be added, "if" there wasn't an expansion draft, I'd consider it.
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Granted Roberson is more productive than Comtois was at his age in the AHL, Comtois has already successfully taken the NHL step. He's already top-6 PWF LW, a rarity. I'd say based on value right now Comtois > Robertson based on that, but sure Robertson could have a slightly higher ceiling. Either way I don't see Robertson + 1st for Comtois as too far off, which makes me think Rackell + Grant for Kerfoot and Vesey is not appealing from Anaheim's perspective. I'd suggest this would need to include one of Lilly or Sandin to make this deal happen.
If we are looking for a cheap physical two way player , we could look at nick cousins off of nashville . Signed for 1.5 for the next two years . A draft pick and a lesser prospect may be enough to retain half of his salary and if we loose him in the expansion draft it’s not that big of a deal . He’ has played for dubas and keefe in the past
This would a decent pick up, assuming it doesn't cost too much for retention. Although I'm not sure he could play higher than 3rd line duty.
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