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Probably involves a number 1 center...Stastny's hardly an improvement over Stepan IMO.
But he's a pretty big improvement over Brassard...
Not advocating for him unless his demands fall (which they won't)... but can totally see us overpaying for him.
So you made a bunch of moves and didn't fill one team need which is #1 C and PMD.
There's 2 non-ranger property different names on the dress roster, where's the bunch o moves and who is this elusive 1C and PMD that's available to us?
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I've made this point before, that's not exactly the case. It's a group effort. If their #1c is below average but their #2 and #3 are above average they have a chance of being an above average group.
Stastny would be a below average offensive 1c.
Stepan would be an above average offensive 2c.
Brassard would be an above average 3c.
They are plainly building around the a bruins mold. It's obvious. Size and speed on the wings. 2way play at center.
Stewart and Stastny actually make some sense.
We dont want to overpay Callahan (our captain and homegrown) but we want to overpay for Stastny?
Shiny new toy syndrome strikes again.
Shiny new toy syndrome strikes again.
NYR Viper
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Just the overall discussion has been defined by this thinking. Maybe its not said together in one post but it might as well be.
Would be worse than Gomez and Drury. Stasny became comfortable as a 55 PT player after getting that contract, the guys is going to enter active retirement after his 2nd big payday.
Notice how those 70 pt seasons stopped happening after his first year under a $6.6M a year contract?
What's going to happen after his next big payday?
He's the 3rd best center on his own team, 4th if you count on McKinnon picking things up (and yeah Nate's the real deal).
A lot.
The guy is much of a 4th liner, as Callahan is a 3rd liner.
A cost controlled Brandon Prust type player that score 20+ goals at a $2.5M cap hit?
He's going to cost a lot.
Exactly. I have wanted Glencross for the last 2-3 years. He has some offensive touch and plays a game similar to Prust. Would love to have him, especially if we trade Callahan.
It's amazing how much Stepan gets **** on by these boards and then some people want to go pay Stastny 7+ million for 7 years. He's really not much of a better player and he has no potential to go anywhere, at least Stepan has been trending up.
Amazes me. Simply amazes me. Again...shiny new toy syndrome.
Stepan will be 24 in June. He is on pace for a 50 point season and this has been a tough year for him. Just hasn't gotten hot. If he gets hot, he could end up with 55-60. He produces when he is out on the PP. He has only 12 PIM. He has good hockey IQ. Plays a well balanced game. But yet we want to pay Stastny a boat load of money and will be turning 29 during the middle of next season. We don't need those contracts.
It's only a matter of time before Cally suffers the same fate as Drury. Enough broken bones due to sacrificing himself for this team and he'll be boo'ed out of NY faster than he realizes. And what kind of message does that send to every other player on this team blocking shots and risking their career to win a few extra games?
Overpaying Cally by +$1M might not make the most sense on paper but the guy is the heart and soul of this team. He sacrafices himself for the better of this team. What kind of message does it send everyone else on the team, and anyone FA's looking to come to NY if we're ready to throw our captain to the wind over $1M? The guy deserves every penny. I don't understand how everyone can be so quick to throw him away. The second we trade him away we'll start hearing how we need more toughness and effort.
Pretty sure that O'Reilly and Mackinnon have been playing in the wing a lot. With Duchene and Stastny the #1 and #2.
So to say he's their 4th center is untrue.
Very confused by this post. The first paragraph sounds like you understand why Callahan has to be moved. The second paragraph sounds like you are his agent.
What kind of message does it send to FAs? No message at all. This is NY and the rangers will always have the money to spend if they see a free agent they desire. However, they will not have the money if they clearly overpay for players who are not worth the cap hit, homegrown or not. Callahan is not worth what he is asking. Letting emotions cloud the vision and outlook of an organization would be a mistake. He does not deserve every penny, at least not from us. Showing restraint would be a breath of fresh air here. In fact a move like this would show perspective free agents that they can't expect the rangers to just bend over every time when they let their own homegrown captain go because the asking price was egregious.
The need for a top six center doesn't mean shiny new toy. You mentioned this with Callahan, as well. #1C is more of a pressing need than 3rd line W.
No one suggested replacing Stepan with Stastny. Rather, adding Stastny and having Stepan and Stastny as the #1 and #2 centers with Brassard as the #3.
I'm not sold on Stastny with a big contract. But thats the idea.
I'd like to see what Miller's got playing with top six wingers. Or trading for a young center. Don't know that those are realistic options, though.
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Regarding my idea to sign Stastny, while trading away Brassard (as well as Callahan, and dumping Brad to make sure it works under the cap).
It may seem like moving pieces just for the sake of moving them, but it's really not. Someone like Brassard could probably get us an A-level prospect like Miller plus a B-level prospect like Hrivik. Not necessary that style, but that quality. A team going for the Cup that looks to shore up their third line while improving their scoring would do that.
The higher prospect doesn't necessarily need to be a center either, could be a LW who would replace Hagelin when he'll be ready to hit the UFA. Alternatively, a team like Edmonton may not have the sex appeal to attract Stastny and their management wants to leave the NHL's gutter by next season or else they will all lose their jobs.
Having a quality replacement for Hagelin or Staal in a few years would allow us to trade him away for some more prospects to rebuild the system on the fly without having to sink to the bottom first.
Stastny would be an improvement over Brassard, plus adding an A and a B level prospect would make our farm much stronger for the future, as would trading Callahan and replacing him with Jesper Fast.
It's just good asset management.
It may seem like moving pieces just for the sake of moving them, but it's really not. Someone like Brassard could probably get us an A-level prospect like Miller plus a B-level prospect like Hrivik. Not necessary that style, but that quality. A team going for the Cup that looks to shore up their third line while improving their scoring would do that.
The higher prospect doesn't necessarily need to be a center either, could be a LW who would replace Hagelin when he'll be ready to hit the UFA. Alternatively, a team like Edmonton may not have the sex appeal to attract Stastny and their management wants to leave the NHL's gutter by next season or else they will all lose their jobs.
Having a quality replacement for Hagelin or Staal in a few years would allow us to trade him away for some more prospects to rebuild the system on the fly without having to sink to the bottom first.
Stastny would be an improvement over Brassard, plus adding an A and a B level prospect would make our farm much stronger for the future, as would trading Callahan and replacing him with Jesper Fast.
It's just good asset management.
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I would much prefer a Legwand signing over a Stastny acquisition. He's no gamebreaker but he could be a cheap servicable 2/3 line center as a stopgap to let Miller/Stepan develop more.
If the player wasn't Stasny, I'd agree with you 100%. I think very little of Brassard. I don't see him as a a piece of a cup winning team, and I feel the same way about Stasny.
Paul Stasny: 7 years in the NHL. 15 playoff games.
ROR is playing wing this year true, and McK is getting 3rd line matchups, not disagreeing.
But Duchene, O'Reilly and McKinnon are all outscoring Stasny. McK with 2 less mins a game.
I stand by my statement.
Patrick Marleau was a hell of a center, but he plays wing on a team with Pavelski, Thornton and Couture. Only so many top 6 mins to go around.
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