Rumor: Trade Thread XVIII: Brace Yourselves. Friday Is Coming.

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I really wouldn't be upset if they did this. You still give yourself a 1-2 punch. Maybe slot Miller in as 3C and let him grow in the bottom 6.

Brassard seems relatively exempt from trade talks. If signing Stastny is in the cards, Brassard's QO should be where they find at least most of the money.

Brassard has a relatively similar skill set, albeit he is not as dominant in any as Stastny is (also why Stastny is going to be paid much more). He's not a solution for 2c. Miller is likely the solution at 3c.

If anyone has to be traded for prospects, Brassard and Pouloit would be my first (and probably only) suggestions.
 
I don't understand everyone drooling over stastny. I mean yea I would take him on the team at a good price ,but 7.5+ for 7 years for a guy, that will not put up a PPG or add anything that Stepan really doesn't already do, seems like a bad idea to me.
 
I'd hardly call Stastny dominant in any category... he's a two-way, 55-60 pt. center who skates well. Stepan but faster. He never put up 55-60 pts, i know, but still a 2C.
 
If we look at the bare bones roster for next year (no signings, Girardi and Callahan released without return) here is what we have (All UFA released, all RFAs resigned)

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
xxxxxx-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin-xxxxxx-xxxxxx
Carcillo-xxxxxx-Dorsett

McDonagh-xxxxxx
Staal-Klein
Moore-Falk

That's the template. 5 spots to fill, 6 if we don't want Falk in the top 6. I think we will re-sign Stralman, Pouliot, and one of Moore/Boyle. Now we're down to 3 spots. 3C, 3RW, 1RD. If my estimations for player salary are correct, with a 70 million dollar cap, we'd be looking at about 10 million for those 3 spots. Girardi at 5.5 cuts it to 4.5 for 2 spots. Acquire Stewart in the Callahan deal, play Miller at 3c, and it about works.
 
We need what we WON'T get. A Getzlaf or Backes or Scheifele. A big C who can finish when Nash isn't. In this NHL, if you don't have freak-of-nature skill (Kane, Crosby, Stamkos), you have to have the size/edge to physically dominate.
 
If we look at the bare bones roster for next year (no signings, Girardi and Callahan released without return) here is what we have (All UFA released, all RFAs resigned)

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
xxxxxx-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin-xxxxxx-xxxxxx
Carcillo-xxxxxx-Dorsett

McDonagh-xxxxxx
Staal-Klein
Moore-Falk

That's the template. 5 spots to fill, 6 if we don't want Falk in the top 6. I think we will re-sign Stralman, Pouliot, and one of Moore/Boyle. Now we're down to 3 spots. 3C, 3RW, 1RD. If my estimations for player salary are correct, with a 70 million dollar cap, we'd be looking at about 10 million for those 3 spots. Girardi at 5.5 cuts it to 4.5 for 2 spots. Acquire Stewart in the Callahan deal, play Miller at 3c, and it about works.

Boyle is a wildcard to me... how much do you think he'll get? I'd say his size/fact that he CAN move (sort of) and has decent hockey sense, is in itself, worth $1M... panalty killing and faceoffs another $1M... any other ideas?
 
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Boyle is a wildcard to me... how much do you think he'll get? I'd say his size/fact that he CAN move (sort of) and has decent hockey sense, is in itself, worth $1M... panalty killing and faceoffs another $1M... any other ideas?

Isn't Falk UFA?

Falk is listed as RFA, though I guess Carcillo is a UFA. Falk is still quite young.
 
My experience has taught me a number of things:
1) "anything can happen" is fool's gold;
2) deals made from that flawed perspective tend to be bad long term decisions;
3) true perpetual competitors are built around young, all-star talent;
4) that foundation generally needs to include a true, PPG or better 1C, and preferably an offensive-minded PMD;
5) UFAs or even trade acquisitions who are brought in when they are older than their mid-twenties are not a substitute for the young, all-star talent;
6) "intangibles" are also not a substitute;
7) sometimes one or more steps back are necessary/worth it to acquire those players;
8) you identify that talent and lock it up;
9) if you feel your team is lacking in intangibles, THAT is the piece you add to the foundation, not the other way 'round; and
10) any player who doesn't fit the mold is expendable, no matter the emotional attachment.

If you don't yet have the foundation of the perpetual competitor in place, then you need to be focused on getting there. All your decisions should be made with that goal in mind, even if they are multiple steps away, and any move that doesn't point in that direction is a distraction and holds you back.

I think this team has some fundamental elements - Hank in net, McD on defense and, potentially, if everything works out, Kreider as a top line PF. They also have some other very good elements just a level below - Nash as a scoring winger, Stepan as a 1/2 tweener 2-way C, Zucc as a playmaking winger and PP specialist, Callahan as a heart-and-soul 2-way winger, Staal and Girardi as shut-down D, and good depth all the way throughout the lineup, both on offense and on defense. But they are missing that true 1C and, ideally, that offensive-minded PMD.

Because I don’t think they’re there yet, I think they should be working to get there and anyone not listed in that first group of three is expendable in the right deal to move towards that goal. Which is why, yes, I have a long list of people who are available, and it includes everyone who is currently an UFA. Of course you don’t move all of them - but you should be looking to make several moves from among them to get the missing pieces.

Callahan is the most obvious. Unless he is willing to take a significant discount (which would be the exact opposite of indications), he’s worth more to us as a trade chip than he is on the roster. You simply don’t lock up 7-8% of your cap in your third best RW who is prone to breaking down, especially not when that is the strongest position in your organization.

Girardi also makes sense, because I don’t think he fits AV’s system that well and he would have enormous value on the market. However, he’d be harder to replace, 1st pair RDs are hard to find, he has proven to be more durable and his demands seem more reasonable, so it’s much more likely they re-sign him. Depending on the deal, I’d be in favor for the reasons above.

Of the remainder, it all depends on the market and what other moves you’ve made. For example, if you can get a first for Boyle you move him; if you’ve moved Boyle, you are much less likely to move Moore; and so on. But at the end of the day, any move that doesn’t sacrifice one of the fundamental pieces and that moves you (either directly or by acquiring an asset that could eventually get you there) towards the ultimate goal is worth discussing. THAT’S why I’m here and THAT’S why I’m willing to consider a whole host of alternatives. It has nothing to do with "change for change's sake."

Tremendous post and I too agree with almost every word. Great job.
 
As far as Cammaleri goes....not a good fit here. It would cost too much. Maybe for a third and like Bickel, but I wouldn't give anything of value up for him. He's a decent player but his high scoring days are over.

The Blue Jackets aren't a good trading partner. Tired of poaching their system, and there's nothing they could give back to the Rangers that would really stand out. I liked Marco Danko but I don't know if the Rangers do. His stats are pretty low but a young player in the KHL, stats don't really tell the story as many of them get limited icetime.

Someone like a Stempniak would interest me.

I think Glencross will be in play this summer. Young enough, a hard man, if he stays healthy 20+ goals is reasonable, 2.5M hit. Of course not forgetting what he did to Drury is reason enough not to want him...but, I think he's going to be an effective 2/3 lw for somebody.
 
I have mentioned it numerous times. Stewart would be a solid addition to a group of top-9 forwards who lack any sort of ruggedness. He scores goals. Good net front presence. 20-25 goal scorer.
 
I have mentioned it numerous times. Stewart would be a solid addition to a group of top-9 forwards who lack any sort of ruggedness. He scores goals. Good net front presence. 20-25 goal scorer.
Especially if there's a solid + coming along with him.
 
I am hoping we can manage to come to an agreement with Girardi over the break. Lots of time to negotiate, and there seems to be a realistic, fair contract for negotiation there based on the numbers I've seen being thrown around. Unless talks have deteriorated, I think we could see a contract coming out of the break.

I'm not expecting Sather to get anywhere with Callahan.
 
One more thing about that: this doesn't just happen by accident. If you don't want the team to have to sink to the bottom of the standings for several years to run up the high draft picks, you must plan very early. The only way to prevent a full-on rebuild is to be in a constantly partial rebuild mode. When the team is already out of the playoffs with few blue chippers in the farm, don't expect one top-5 pick to fix anything.

The strategy here could be to 1) trade Callahan for prospects; 2) sign the 28-year-old Stastny (while dumping the 34 year old Brad) and then trade Brassard for prospects; 3) promote AHL linemates Fast and Miller, and maybe Lindberg.

Kreider - Stastny - Nash
Hagelin - Stepan - MZA
Pouliot - Miller - Fast
Carcillo - Lindberg - Dorsett
Moore, Asham

McD - Girardi
Staal - Stralman
Moore - Klein

Lundqvist
Talbot

Total Payroll: ~$67 or about $4 less than the cap.


And importantly, Brassard and Callahan would bring a ton of youth back who would be ready when it's time to make a decision on Hagelin, Zuccarello, Kreider, Staal, etc.

I agree that the categorical dismissal of Statsny as an option, I don't understand. He'll be good in a good situation, very good in a very good situation.

I'm always thinking of ways to make deals to get us to the promised ice, trying to figure out who might be in play. Sometimes exotic thinking is inevitable. For instance, just after the Kristo acquisition I mused on Carpiniello's blog that maybe this sets up moving Callahan. (I got abused, of course.)

I think everybody agrees that the types of players this team needs are the toughest to acquire. So the choices are easy (stand relatively pat, keep the sentimental favorites, go with "in the playoffs anything can happen") or they're tough, like just as a for instance, being willing to dangle Marc Staal if a center who is significantly better than what's already here can be brought back. Or Shea Weber, who I won't be surprised to learn is in play next summer. Obviously very risky some of these ideas, but high reward often starts with high risk.
 
I have mentioned it numerous times. Stewart would be a solid addition to a group of top-9 forwards who lack any sort of ruggedness. He scores goals. Good net front presence. 20-25 goal scorer.

Especially if there's a solid + coming along with him.

I agree with this. That's why Callahan for Stewart + A-level prospect or Callahan for Stewart + B-level Prospect + First-rounder really isn't a bad deal for us at all.
 
You know, I may have missed it, but I don't think we've discussed the fact that any deal for Callahan or Girardi would likely include significant contingent pieces. So, for example, the rumored deal from St. Louis for Callahan could be Stewart, a 2014 2nd and, if they re-sign him, a 1st and a 2nd in 2015, or something like that. You could probably get more guaranteed pieces for Girardi, but I would imagine that the same general concept applies to him too.

There's been a lot of talk that whatever the Rangers receive in return will disappoint/surprise, but I think it's the opposite. I think the return(s) will be structured such that it's close to expected value, based on what happens thereafter. If the player leaves, the return will be adequate for a true rental (and the conspiracy theorists will then note that we could bring the player back on the open market :)); if the player stays with the acquiring team, the return will be closer to what folks think would be "fair" value for the player in a "normal" trade.
 
I'd hardly call Stastny dominant in any category... he's a two-way, 55-60 pt. center who skates well. Stepan but faster. He never put up 55-60 pts, i know, but still a 2C.

Given that 1Cs aren't out there very often, if ever, I don't think having another 2C is the worst thing in the world. Of course, it'd depend entirely on what he's looking for in terms of a contract.
 
I agree that the categorical dismissal of Statsny as an option, I don't understand.

My biggest issue with the current group of Rangers centers is that they're not really the best of skaters. Stastny... Is not a very good skater. About Brassards level. I'd rather resign Brass, target a top 6 LW and let Miller and Lindberg compete for the 3rd line C spot.
 
My biggest issue with the current group of Rangers centers is that they're not really the best of skaters. Stastny... Is not a very good skater. About Brassards level. I'd rather resign Brass, target a top 6 LW and let Miller and Lindberg compete for the 3rd line C spot.

Yeah, he's probably not worth 2x what Stepan will be making next year. And he's probably just leaving his best years. Getting deep into this guy may be regrettable pretty quickly.

One of the things I like about Brassard is he's probably peaking in his physical/skill set years.

I really like Miller. Didn't when the season started. I was like, where's all the speed he allegedly has? But that last stint up, when he was a center I was really encouraged.
 
because Callahan is the one we will be most likely trading and the value for Cally is presumably higher than the value for Stewart...

And why not picks? Prospects? Cap flexibility?

Why does it have to be the captain of our team?
 
And why not picks? Prospects? Cap flexibility?

Why does it have to be the captain of our team?

Because the Captain of our team is demanding a ridiculous contract in BOTH term and $.

I get what ur saying but IF he is traded the return won't make any of use very happy. He's certainly more valuable to us than to another team, especially as a rental.

I'm trying to come to terms with Cally being dealt for a return I'm not thrilled with. But it is what it is when the gun is aimed at Sather's head.
 
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