Rumor: Trade Thread XVII: Callahan's Reckoning.

[Tawnos]

Great. The team wins and now everyone thinks that we're contenders.

My stance hasn't changed. 1st/2nd round exit.

Not sure about SouthJerseyRanger, but Bobbop, RGY and kenjets have been pretty consistent on that score.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Mess, Leetch, Gravy, Kovy, and Zub doing just about everything?

And Larmer, Gartner, Tikkanen and Nemchinov... and Matteau, fwiw.

This team is good, but not as good as Anaheim or Chicago or Pittsburgh... that's NOT negative thinking, it's just true. Cally sucks in the playoffs. So does Richards, Stepan and Nash (now that he's made it). Brian Boyle will not win us a cup, anymore than signing a third-liner for $49M will.

 

[The Gloaming]

I feel pretty good about our chances of winning a round, maybe two, but I have almost no faith that the current team is capable of actually winning it all, which is the most important thing, obviously.

I feel that by trading Callahan for the bounty of assets he would garner, we set our team up better for runs in the near future.

Exactly my feels. Also, giving Callahan an albatross contract for the next 7 years is just the wrong way to go. He wants first liner money and ridiculous term. You don't overpay for intangibles.

 

[TheTakedown]

He is playing so well this year. Watched him last night. My god if he just had more talent around him and in a more offensive system

Didn't realize how little he signed for. Biggest problem was we were in absolute cap hell at the beginning of the season... Guy would have been a much better player than Poo or Hags on this team...

But I digress, we have a good team. Like some of the other level headed people are saying, we need to get another scorer, but we're in a very good position to obtain it with 2 high-profile players that are ready to walk via Free Agency, which essentially means we are getting those assets for free...

I'd actually be more content with scratching Hags, putting someone else in his spot, trading Cally for a 25-30 goal scoring winger for his RW spot.

Keep Richards, leave the ENTIRE bottom 6 intact. Not a SINGLE change needs to be made for those 2 lines.

We have a balanced defense, and a working offense.

 

[AWall THE CLAW]

And Larmer, Gartner, Tikkanen and Nemchinov... and Matteau, fwiw.

This team is good, but not as good as Anaheim or Chicago or Pittsburgh... that's NOT negative thinking, it's just true. Cally sucks in the playoffs. So does Richards, Stepan and Nash (now that he's made it). Brian Boyle will not win us a cup, anymore than signing a third-liner for $49M will.

I was talking more about the playoffs that year.

 

[TheTakedown]

And Larmer, Gartner, Tikkanen and Nemchinov... and Matteau, fwiw.

This team is good, but not as good as Anaheim or Chicago or Pittsburgh... that's NOT negative thinking, it's just true. Cally sucks in the playoffs. So does Richards, Stepan and Nash (now that he's made it). Brian Boyle will not win us a cup, anymore than signing a third-liner for $49M will.

You know what, I want to see what these guys can do in the playoffs running with AV... We've only seen them work with Torts and Renney... They are much more confident players...

Remember last year? and the year before?

- if only the power play worked
- If only we could shoot off a one-timer
- if only we were faster
- if only our defense could stay healthy

We have all of that. We're in a decent spot.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I feel pretty good about our chances of winning a round, maybe two, but I have almost no faith that the current team is capable of actually winning it all, which is the most important thing, obviously.

I feel that by trading Callahan for the bounty of assets he would garner, we set our team up better for runs in the near future.

Yup. That was one great game. And the team is on a good run. But I don't think it can do better than two rounds as currently constructed. (I also think as currently constructed there are some pieces that fit better than others for AV's system.)

Need to take the long-term view and leverage the opportunity to get better for the long haul, rather than locking in a fixed 2nd tier status.

This is a very critical point for the team.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

You know what, I want to see what these guys can do in the playoffs running with AV... We've only seen them work with Torts and Renney... They are much more confident players...

Remember last year? and the year before?

- if only the power play worked
- If only we could shoot off a one-timer
- if only we were faster
- if only our defense could stay healthy

We have all of that. We're in a decent spot.

Good point, actually... unless we could pull a Poile and trade his rights last-minute, for a good return. You can't tell me Hartnell, even then, was more valuable than Cally is now.

So I hope you're right, I just don't want to sign a third liner for 7 years, at ANY price.

 

[Cake or Death]

Most players will take the security of a multi-year contract over the risk of being injured in the arbitration year.

And what Tavares left on the table, long-term, isn't really the issue. The issue is that he was negotiating with a single team. Callahan can use other teams as leverage in a way that Tavares couldn't.

Respectfully, I disagree. One, Tavares isn't most players. He's a Hart finalist and one of the best in the entire league. He could play his RFA years, going to arbitration on most of them, then hit UFA and make an absolute mint. He signed for two UFA years he had no need to at $5.5 mil, leaving probably $6 mil or more on the table, and is a substantially superior player to Callahan. Even if you want to get away from the one mere RFA non-arbitration season Tavares would have had to deal with, which still is nothing as he had three arbitration eligible seasons and two UFA seasons on his extension, you can still easily find other examples of better UFA players than Callahan who took less than they are worth on the open market, and often less than Cally is asking for, to help their teams.

 

[TheTakedown]

Respectfully, I disagree. One, Tavares isn't most players. He's a Hart finalist and one of the best in the entire league. He could play his RFA years, going to arbitration on most of them, then hit UFA and make an absolute mint. He signed for two UFA years he had no need to at $5.5 mil, leaving probably $6 mil or more on the table, and is a substantially superior player to Callahan. Even if you want to get away from the one mere RFA non-arbitration season Tavares would have had to deal with, which still is nothing as he had three arbitration eligible seasons and two UFA seasons on his extension, you can still easily find other examples of better UFA players than Callahan who took less than they are worth on the open market, and often less than Cally is asking for, to help their teams.

Dustin Brown did, and he's no better than Callahan... a 2nd/3rd line guy that happens to wear a C due to his heart and soul play...

He asked for 1M less than callahan, and gave an extra year of his services... All while doing what was best for his team's front office and salary cap, understanding that he plays with a good set of players. Compared to what Cally is asking, he basically forfeited 8M dollars... Callahan doesn't feel this way according to what we've read in the media. If the media isn't twisting it the wrong way, then the ultimate conclusion is that Callahan's heart is *not* here, contrary to his interview.

Good point, actually... unless we could pull a Poile and trade his rights last-minute, for a good return. You can't tell me Hartnell, even then, was more valuable than Cally is now.

So I hope you're right, I just don't want to sign a third liner for 7 years, at ANY price.

I agree with you, and I should have specified that Callahan should NOT be a part of this upcoming playoff run.

Girardi should, but that is up in the air at this point

 

[Miller Time NYR]

A good win over a tired Avs team doesnt prove anything, this team isn't contending, I would hope sathers judgement isn't swayed by a couple of wins like people's opinions here are. This team has talent no doubt, but were not contending, trade Callahan and make upgrades through free agency/trade and well see about next season.

 

[RGY]

A good win over a tired Avs team doesnt prove anything, this team isn't contending, I would hope sathers judgement isn't swayed by a couple of wins like people's opinions here are. This team has talent no doubt, but were not contending, trade Callahan and make upgrades through free agency/trade and well see about next season.

Christ...theres the doom and gloom crowd.

 

[TheTakedown]

side note:

Trade Nash for Ryan O'Reilly :p

 

[TheTakedown]

Christ...theres the doom and gloom crowd.

It's ok bud, some people can't take being happy. Just laugh! it works out better for you anyway :p

Seriously, you can say 'this team isn't contending' all you want, but they've pulled out wins against the three 2 of the 3 top central teams in the last month.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

On Tavares front - I think they move to BK, new (awesome) venue with a lot more prestige than Uniondale, NY... and get a new owner.

I think to correspond with the physical move to BK, and a change in ownership, that they'll spend massive amounts of money on free agents this offseason.

It would be funny if Miller rejected a trade to the Islanders earlier in the season, only to accept an offer from them in the offseason.

I think there will be a lot of hype about them moving into next season (similar to the hype that the Nets got moving to BK) and I think that the experience of going through that transition, moving to a much closer proximity to NYC, to a much nicer venue, that will likely allure many more fans on a consistent basis, going along with several big free agent splashes, will lead to Tavares' resigning with the Islanders long term.

Stamkos on the other hand.....

I see him testing the waters.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

A good win over a tired Avs team doesnt prove anything, this team isn't contending, I would hope sathers judgement isn't swayed by a couple of wins like people's opinions here are. This team has talent no doubt, but were not contending, trade Callahan and make upgrades through free agency/trade and well see about next season.

If it were just a couple of wins, I could see the argument. But it's been sustained dominance for two months now...

That isn't a small sample size.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

Christ...theres the doom and gloom crowd.

I dont consider myself a part of that crowd, this team will make a run this season no doubt about it but the notion of keeping Callahan to make that run is idiotic, loosing him to free agency after making a run would be like were renting him for a first+ to ourselves.

 

[Leetch3]

Tavares being a RFA at the time also speaks volumes.

he gave up 3 years of ufa status and really didn't make the isles pay for it

 

[Callagraves]

One day, the word "contender" will stop being thrown around, when people realize there is no such thing.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

One day, the word "contender" will stop being thrown around, when people realize there is no such thing.

That's...what?

I don't understand your point.

There are teams that are in the top tier of the league, "contenders", there are solid playoff teams like us and Montreal/Toronto, for example, then bubble teams like Carolina/Columbus, and then there are the bottom dwellers.

Regardless of how they're labeled, there is a clear and distinct difference between a team like the Rangers and a team like Chicago or Boston. You really wouldn't call those teams more of a contender than a team like ours?

 

[One Winged Angel]

What about a Callahan trade around someone like Glencross or Ott?

Steve Ott is available from what I'm seeing and reading. Maybe something around Grigorenko and Ott for Callahan +?

 

[BBKers]

He played his great game for the month. Drove his value up to a team that wants him great job and thank you capt. Cally

Sums up my thoughts too
The 47 million dollar man should get on that midnight train to The City of the Blues

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Nice to see Cally give the Rangers one last great one, and up his trade value a bit to boot.

Bittersweet for me.

 

[haveandare]

Really wishing he'd take the modest overpayment that is 6x5 and be done with it. If that's not going to happen, which it appears it won't, he has to go as much as it's going to suck. I also wish he'd stop talking about wanting to be here, his heart is here etc. Obviously staying in NY is not his main concern. That's fine, but don't say that stuff then. It's like Prust with the tweet after signing in Montreal - you're doing what's best for you, fine, don't frame it as if we should all feel bad that you priced yourself off of the team.

 

[Kwayry]

Two teams I believe are interested and need the help, Vancouver and LA.
Given what Torts said last night, Cally is the kind of player he would be pushing for, not sure if Gillies:
1 - Appreciated what Torts said.
2 - Is willing to pony up to get him.