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Again, trying to avoid this thread. Will respond to this. My point isn't to talk about posturing, what he's entitled to, or how much money he can or deserves to get.
I'm taking for granted (and in agreement with you) that he wants to much for too long and based on market demand deserves it from another team. I'm taking for granted that this whole process is posturing from both parties to try and work a better deal.
My point is I've had enough of the armchair GM's telling everyone on here what Callahan is worth and isn't worth on an open market. GM posturing aside, market value aside, as a fan of this team... Callahan has given me for 5 years now the happiness and excitement I want in watching a sports event. On many nights, he was the only player not named Henrik Lundqvuist that provided any type of lifeline - any type of reason to continue watching the game for several more hours.
The Stewart and 2nd for Callahan trade does absolutely nothing for 1) the team and 2) me as a fan. It will likely set the team back for at least this season, and maybe even for seasons to come. We would be trading the heart of the team for a perennial 3rd liner who's "potential" to score 30 goals is blinding some to the fact that he's as inconsistent of a player as they come and may never materialize into anything more than he is now. The 2nd round pick is a non-factor to me... especially when we've been taking the like of Boo Nieves and Bobby Sanguinetti and the like in the late 1st/2nd rounds - i.e players that may never even make it big.
And for what? To save face? To say "This is the best we can do, at least we got something tangible in return?". I'm not a fan to worry about the economics of the sport and the rationality of making a conservative trade for the point of mitigating risk moving forward. I'm a fan of the team because it offers me excitement and a distraction for 2-3 hours from a long and stressful day. I'm a fan of this team because I've connected to some of these players and want them to succeed because I respect what they stand for. I'm a fan of this team because finally, in the last 5 years, they've stepped above mediocrity and above the influence of star power that never delivers to a team that works hard and at the little things to succeed. In a few months I'll be able to relate even more to the last statement as I will be graduating and entering the workforce where I'll have to work my ass off, day in and day out, to achieve the goals that i've set for myself.
That's what we're all fans for. We're fans because we've grown up watching a group of guys we respect and want to root for. We're fans because when we want a distraction from something, this team provides it. We're fans because the excitement and pride we get from the team being successful supersedes many things and even becomes a priority in our thought process throughout the day.
I'm not arguing to keep Callahan. I'm practical and I understand that as a business, keeping him for 7-8 years, even at a 5.5 contract hit could be (and likely will be) crippling to the team and its success moving forward. I'm arguing the inherent need to get something that translates to the same level of excitement and dedication that the player we are giving up brings to us.
Chris Stewart is no where near close to that type of return, and neither is the St. Louis 2nd (or even the Edmonton 2nd). The value isn't there.
And for a captain that has given us so much over the last 5 years... for someone that sets the bar high for our otherwise "status-quo energy" set of players... for a captain that has given us, the fans, a reason to actually be excited rather than embarrassed... this conservative return, just to justify not losing someone for nothing, would be the absolute wrong decision.
I think MZA and Brass are both RFA. Talbot also isn't up for a new contract this offseason. so no matter what he gets 600k next year.
They could legitimately give Cally a 3 or 4 year deal at 8 mil per and still be fine for signing guys though is all I was getting at. If I were Callahan Id gladly take a 3 year 24 mil deal. Not only does he get loaded but he still may be good for a nice 4 x 4 contract at the end witht he cap going up a lot in 3 years time. Unfortunately because the cap is the avg of the contract the team can't afford to have Callahan count as a 6 or 7 mil hit 4 or 5 years down the road. But they can have him count as an 8 now and then a 4 later on down the road. A LOT has to break right with this scenario though so it's 100% fantasy
NYR89
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He wants nearly 8 per over 7 years? Where'd you see that? That's horrific if true. I was wincing doing 8 per over 3 years. I'd love to see him sign with the Pens for that much lol. Cripple their cap
Posted this on the trade board page where I read buffalo is considering Callahan to lead the sabres. Would be interested in their draft picks
Discussed on NHL Tonight...and the reason why Sather has allowed him to negotiate with other teams.
Cally obviously thinks he's worth his weight in gold, if this is the truth.
Cally wants 6mill and 7 years ( 6x7= 42 million over 7 years ). Sather has offered 6mill and 5 years. These are the reported numbers by the media and their sources.
BobMarleyNYR
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Both for only 1 year. You could hope Brassard takes 1 year, MZA is a big risk for 1.
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I give Zucc 4x4.
I don't know of Brassard is in the plans for the future of this team.
broadwayblue
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What picks do they have? Certainly even their own should be a very nice top 2 or 3 selection...but they are likely not looking to move that.
From what has been published there really isn't any negotiation...so saying the money has been agreed on is false hope...Callahan's agent could accept the term but want to up the dollars based on the shorter term.
Probably not but their 2nd could be #31 or 32. Otherwise we can accept their 1st for 2015 as well. So it could be 2014 2nd with two players or 2015 1st and one player.
BobMarleyNYR
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Didn't Hossa do one year in Detroit for 7 back when 7M was the new 9M? They won that year too.
Callahan won't be winning any cups, and as much as the concept does seem good, I think he really wants to stay in NY, so the term might not work. But a lot happens in 3 seasons...
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Detroit is desperate for defense, especially RD, I wonder what package Detroit would offer for a signed Girardi
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Lol. Buffalo is basically a shoe-in for McDavid or Eichel next year. They're not trading their '15 first, especially not for Ryan Callahan.
Also; their 2nd is going to be #30 this year unless the devils manage to get their first back.
Don't they have the Isles 1st from the Vanek trade?
EDIT - yes they do, and if the season finished today that would be a top 5 pick
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broadwayblue
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I'd do cally straight up for the Isles 1st round pick. That should be a top 10 selection.
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broadwayblue
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Still no chance. The pick was forfeited for cap circumvention...Kovalchuk dissing them for the KHL is irrelevant.
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