Callahan is not on the 3rd line. This is bizarro world. Everyone keeps saying he's on the 3rd line just bc of Zucc's offensive #s.
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Callahan is not on the 3rd line. This is bizarro world. Everyone keeps saying he's on the 3rd line just bc of Zucc's offensive #s.
I don't think the rangers plan on giving Brassard a multi-year deal yet. Would Brassard be UFA after this year if the rangers accepted his arbitration number on a one year deal, or would Brassard be RFA again? Im asking, I don't know.
I think Zucc will get a 3-5 year deal, Zucc has played himself into a new contract.
I feel you man, 6m is and seems a little high. I think on a playoff roster, Callahan will provide the value for the next couple years and as the deal goes on, I think the 6m doesn't look as high with the raise in cap.
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Ever notice in the corporate world, how the answer is always take the money and run.
What is it that you want? Do you want to sign every other RFA and UFA we have and trade those two? Is that your wish?
It would be nice to see both the Girardi and Callahan situations resolved before the week is out.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
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No? But I'd like to have some kind of long term plan, instead of the braindead tunnel vision that Sather has with this roster. Does McIlrath get a spot next year? What parts of the defense does he want to keep? Are Moore and Boyle coming back next year? Is Brassard the answer at 2C?
I bet he hasn't put a single thought into it.
5yr 30mil, I feel there are 25 teams in the league that would give callahan that contract on July 1st. If callahan agrees to deal in that range. I don't think its giving in to his agents demands. His agents demands are too much and if its 7y42m, then yes the Rangers should make a move.
And if that has to happen, I would love to somehow swing a signed callahan, brassard, and a B-C level pick or prospect to Vancouver for Kesler. BOOM BOOM suggested it on the trade board. I like it. Kesler feels the 2nd line C. Fast fills the winger spot. Miller or Lindberg fill 3c.
SlingshotVv
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I know we talk about stats all the time here, but in a tied playoff game, late in the third period, there's few players I feel more comfortable with on the ice more than Callahan. I honestly don't know how much that is worth, but to me he's a guy you love on your team in the playoffs. I believe teams that want to win playoff series without some #1 overall superstar, need more Callahan's not less.
When I look at the replacement options, a player to fill the top PK role, can also fill in on either PP1 or 2, can contribute with points, and is highly unlikely to ever make a boneheaded play, a lazy play, or get outworked on any particular shift in an important game... I mean, who's really out there? That seems like an awful lot to give up because he won't break some arbitrary point threshold, that would make him worth 6m. imho
In all honesty as currently constructed, I think this team can compete deep into a SC run, with either Stepan really rpounding out into true 1C form, or being replaced on the roster with one. I think our depth, toughness, team speed, PK, PP, goaltending, defense are all high quality enough to compete.
When I look at the replacement options, a player to fill the top PK role, can also fill in on either PP1 or 2, can contribute with points, and is highly unlikely to ever make a boneheaded play, a lazy play, or get outworked on any particular shift in an important game... I mean, who's really out there? That seems like an awful lot to give up because he won't break some arbitrary point threshold, that would make him worth 6m. imho
In all honesty as currently constructed, I think this team can compete deep into a SC run, with either Stepan really rpounding out into true 1C form, or being replaced on the roster with one. I think our depth, toughness, team speed, PK, PP, goaltending, defense are all high quality enough to compete.
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I understand how you feel man. Im not a sather fan. I respect and acknowledge his experience and his hockey career. And some of the trades he's made
. But I'm not a fan of him being the architecture of this Ranger team at this present time.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
You really don't think that Sather meets often with his staff to discuss these exact things? Give me a break.
I'm not happy with many or most of the things he's done, but this implication that he doesn't actually work is more than a little absurd.
CaptDenisPotvin
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Hell ****ing no. That's awful for us. You're lucky we don't send you away in pieces!!!111one
My bad, wasnt aware you guys were trading Cally and mailing it in. You wouldnt move forward with the best rental out there for a guy your trading anyway and your backup goalie? Haha but im the one smoking ****....got it.
I thought with a vanek-step-nash line you guys would actually contend in the playoffs.
Fitzy
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The thing about it, Cap, is that NYR are presently in a really confusing situation. They're a playoff team, but most don't consider them real contenders this season.
I wouldn't consider them mailing it in, more riding the wave. Don't give up any more assets for rentals as we have done in the past, and see what this group is capable of.
A Callahan for Stewart deal is good example of riding the wave. Slight downgrade for an extra year.
I wouldn't consider them mailing it in, more riding the wave. Don't give up any more assets for rentals as we have done in the past, and see what this group is capable of.
A Callahan for Stewart deal is good example of riding the wave. Slight downgrade for an extra year.
Beer League Sniper
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We have literally no one else in the system to take Talbot's place, our goaltender depth is seriously pathetic. We'd be a Lundqvist injury away from having the worst goaltender situation in the entire league. That's aside from the fact that the value isn't really there for NYR in your proposal.
yrrebbor
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Easy to say that from our position, but any of us would do the same. They're professionals, they've earned it. Whatever a team will pay for them is what they're worth.
How the **** do you know?
In a situation drenched with stupid arguments, the "$30M is enough money and he should be happy with that" might be the dumbest of all.
SlingshotVv
arm-bar all the things
I think the confusing thing about this is that the East is so incredibly weak outside of Boston. I mean Pittsburgh is good, but any team backstopped by Fleury has a high probablity of being demolished in a 7 game series. The west is absolutely elite, but we only have to play 1 team from there. They'll be chewing each other up, and lets face it, each of those top tier Western teams are one injury away from being beatable. A goalie injury, or top line injury, or just a stunning early series game, and Lundqvist going bananas, and they're on the ropes.
I mean no team is ever a sure bet, and the EC is a mess. Why in the world would we not try and compete this season? Neil Smith would've sold the farm to bring a SC right now. Not that he'd be right, but the door is open.
We have 4 lines producing right now. We have one of the better PP's and PK's. Our all world netminder is looking all world again. We have team toughness throughout the line-up, we have team speed throughout the line-up. We're not as big as Boston or some of the WC teams, but we have a great defensive group, the ability to capitalize with scoring, and the best goalie in the league. We also have a lot of heady or high "hockey IQ" players on this roster, and the ones that aren't are either outright burners, outstanding PKers, or can put up points. There isn't really any baggage on this team right now. And we have a back-up who's looked outstanding, when other teams have goalies going to the Olympics as well and they can wear down. We, so far, can rely on our back-up, which is huge in this season PO's.
I don't see this as the middle road. We should at the very least make the ECF, and Boston is beatable. I wouldn't gut our future for this run, but I would be ok with keeping G and Cally, and loosing them for nothing in the offseason, if that's what it took. Look at our acquisitions last time we fire sold talent for futures. How many of all that movement made an impact. Kovalev, Leetch, Malakhov, DeVries, etc all were moved and what exactly did we get from all those deadline dumps? I'm fine with losing out if it means taking a legitmate shot this season
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Not to get off topic, and I'll leave it at this. There's a saying for everything, that doesn't make every saying a good one. I can think of a sub-culture of about a billion + people who complain of the greed of others who are not greedy at all.
Now to be honest, I keep reading your comment over and I am not totally sure where your angle is, so I apologize if I misread your intent.
I disagree totally. They way they are playing right now, they are a contender to win the east and go to the finals. Three solid lines producing. Strong defense and goaltending. Tell me where they are weak? They can beat Boston. They can beat anyone. Not WILL but CAN. It's a legitimate shot.
I therefore think that mailing in the season by letting your captain and key players go over $ in the stretch run is stabbing the fans in the back. How do they expect us to sweat blood internally and lose sleep over a team that gets 2/3ds of the way through the season and says, "oh . . . sorry . . . we've decided that business dictates we bail out now. It's a business decision, see?"
In the end George Steinbrenner was a saint as an owner. He wanted to win even if it cost him $ and put his money where his heart was. Owners who are also fans; who are the ultimate fans. What a wonderful thing for your franchise.
Or they are poor and/or jealous people.
$30M is viewed a little differently when you're already living the lifestyle of a millionaire. It happens to everybody. It would happen to the people complaining if they ever fell into some money.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
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You really don't think that Sather meets often with his staff to discuss these exact things? Give me a break.
I'm not happy with many or most of the things he's done, but this implication that he doesn't actually work is more than a little absurd.
I bet he hasn't put a single thought to it was clearly exaggeration. I didn't think I needed to point that out.
My point stands that I do not believe he has a long term plan, and this summer will be a mess.
NYRFAN218
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You'd think Callahan would be a good playoff player with the way he plays but he's been pretty ineffective what's basically every year.
08-09 - 2 points (both goals) in 7 games against the Caps.
09-10 - Rangers missed the playoffs.
10-11 - Callahan missed the playoffs after Chara broke his leg.
11-12 - Put up 10 points in 20 games which isn't bad but it was believed he was playing with some sort of hand injury which limited him.
12-13 - Played with the shoulder injury the entire year which again limited him come playoff time. He had 5 points in 12 games.
The injury issue doesn't just cover the regular season and games he's missed, it stretches into the postseason and it affects his play.
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