Speculation: Trade Thread Part XI: New year...no trades.

[gravey9]

Pavel Brendl was the 4th overall pick. Nough said. There are two or three can't miss picks in most drafts. And one of them will have a Petr Nedved-esque ceiling. You don't trade Girardi or Staal for anyone like that.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Could be. Or it could be Benoit Pouliot.

I see no difference between "Benoit Pouliot" and "franchise forward"

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

So Incarcerated Bob and Da Goon were wrong?

 

[EpicDing]

So Incarcerated Bob and Da Goon were wrong?

Dagoon's last tweet was NHL Dman and a low prospect, and that it was a "headache for headache" trade.

Ricky otazu ‏@Dagoon44 8h
@NYRfan611930 nhl d.man and low prospect I heard.from team. Then heard headache for headache

 

[Oak]

I actually agree with you after thinking about it. Del Zotto DOES need to be more consistent offensively, but his demise defensively is such an overstatement. He's not great, but he's definitely not poor. I'd say it's decent. Problem is he hasn't been adding in the offensive production necessary to balance it out. He's show he can do it in the past though, while being above average defensively. This is a player to be patient with, IMO, unless the return is too good to turn down.

Would move Girardi before DZ at this point, and I want to re-sign Girardi.

Also, to note: Del Zotto in the last three games: 3 assists, +3

Ya but he still can't handle the puck at the blue line for his life. Fumbled a pass on the PP at Chicago and wasted a good 15-20 seconds when everyone had to get on side and reset. He does this more consistently then he earns points.

 

[Oak]

Bingo.

Move Girardi and Brassard for a good center.

No. Move Staal and Brassard.

Girardi will be very difficult to replace.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Dagoon's last tweet was NHL Dman and a low prospect, and that it was a "headache for headache" trade.

But he said the trade would happen today

 

[NYR Viper]

But he said the trade would happen today

Things happen with deals. Sometimes they are done but they want to give the players some notice before it's announced.

 

[Emptyvoid]

Things happen with deals. Sometimes they are done but they want to give the players some notice before it's announced.

Are you vetted?

 

[Barnaby]

Things happen with deals. Sometimes they are done but they want to give the players some notice before it's announced.

… and sometimes it's just people making things up for attention or sh/giggles…

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

… and sometimes it's just people making things up for attention or sh/giggles…

That's my suspicion. I mean I don't know anything about Da Goon, but I do know that Incarcerated Bob is a gigantic phony.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Dagoon has broke some trades/signings because he is connected through his restaurant that some players frequent (if I remember right).

He broke the Kovalchuk trade way before any one else.

 

[Ola]

Dagoon has broke some trades/signings because he is connected through his restaurant that some players frequent (if I remember right).

He broke the Kovalchuk trade way before any one else.

Some always reacts diffrently to this stuff.

I think 95% thinks its kind of fun, acknowledge that a rumor is a rumor. Ie, if we got full disclosure of every call made we would see that 99% of what is discussed between GMs never come to frutation etc. Not to mention that there always are people that might benefit from a "false" rumor. Just for example, if Dreger reports that Washington and Pittsburgh is really gearing up to take a run at Girardi and or Callahan, it might make Boston or Anaheim offer more.

Then there is always 5% at a place like this that feels that the guy breaking the rumor is responsible for the content of it. Either its the messangers fault for the rumor being just a rumor, or its the messangers fault for the content of the rumor. Lets take a hypotetical example, lets say that Slats call up EDM and asks if they will deal RNH for Cally and Girardi. Brooks gets a hold of this "rumor" from a source. Brooks writes that Slats has inquired if RNH might be available in a deal for Cally and Girardi. I can promise that HF would blow up with attacks on Brooks, while all he did was to just report something he heard.

Maybe Dagoon could benefit a bit by being a tad more careful of how he formulates himself. Ie, "I am hearing that MDZ could get dealt today" as opposed to the definite option "MDZ is going today". Unless you have seen the signed papers, you in fact don't know he is going. Not because Dagoon has any obligation or standard to meet, he is just a regular dude doing this out of generosity towards the rest of us, but because there always is "5%" out there that will feel like he personally robbed them of a trade they wanted to see if it doesn't turn out...

 

[cheech70]

Callahan vs Girardi

I believe that with the current expiring contracts of Capt Cally and Girardi that the move is to sign Girardi to an extension of roughly $5 mil per year for 4 or 5 years and trade the captain. I am a big fan of JT and believe he needs to have top 6 minutes. There is a big risk in signing both Cally and Girardi and tying up the salary cap.Cally could bring a top prospect and a number 1.

 

[Ola]

If we are buying Richards out, its not easy to replace him.

Looking around the league, its easy to see that offense is the way to go. Size in terms of looking at some kind of avg for a team (while a PF or two seems to be a must) and N-S hockey just is not effective. And with offense, its definitely more puck possession players that are paying of than snipers or snirkly wingers... We are short on offense as it is, and if we let BR go we must replace him and preferbly get even better offensively.

Looking around the league, there is just extremely little offense available. Riberio is a player that moved recently that maybe was someone that got away. Inside and out side the NHL, you can find some complimentary players offensively, but few with potential even to be more go-to types. In light of the play of Zucc but also like Hudler in Calgary who has been excellent for them this year and really is finding a lot of ice to operate in, I wonder if it is possible and if so what it would take to get Mikael Granlund from Minnesota?

Minnesota has really tried to establish themselves at least as a top 5-6 in the West, but is on the outside looking in again. They have a core in place, but not much outside that core. They could be open to make a deal. Granlund is listed at 5'10, but he is darn small, he is not the best skater and got defensive issues etc. But he really got bona fide exceptional offensive instincts. He is 22 y/o now and still feeling his way into the NHL, it seems like he is at a crossing in this career. But from my point of view, I just feel that it must be a matter of time before he really start to put up pts in this league. Players like him all over the league are finding space to play there game.

If we plan ahead for next season and buy out Richards, if Minny would accept a trade with MDZ and Brassard going for Granlund, we at least get potential to replace BR's offensive out put from the get go next year.

And we get an freakish amount of cap space available even if Callahan and Girardi are resigned (not that I am sure of if that will come in handy the comnig years, but still...).

2014/15 Lineup and cap-table

FORWARDS

1. Chris Kreider ($2.200m) / Mikael Granlund (§0.900m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
2. Benoit Pouliot ($2.200m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.000m)
3. Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Ryan Callahan ($6.000m)
4. Dan Carcillo (§0.800m) / Dominic Moore ($1.000m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Jesper Fast ($0.805m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($6.000m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($3.000m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / John Moore ($1.500m)
Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
------
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $8,677,000 (!!!)

The above team would need the following to be able to compete:

1. Mikael Granlund finding chemistry with his two big wingers, and that line producing. Basically getting 70 pts on avg from the 3 of them.

2. Chris Kreider taking another step and becoming an established really good player in this league.

3. That Zucc keeps producing at just under a PPG pace.

4. That the PP doesn't fall apart when Richards leaves.

5. That we go back to being a top defensive team in this league. That Staal and Girardi keeps growing into AV's style.

6. We probably need to add a PMRD to the above line-up to be dangerous enough offensively. That RD doesn't have to be established, but can be up-and-coming and worked in behind Girardi.

7. That JT Miller takes another step and becomes a real good player next year. Giving us a 3rd line that is one of the better in the league.

 

[Ail]

If I am Minnesota I don't give you Granlund for that package.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Del Zotto and Brassard won't land Granlund. The two could, however, land an older 2nd line center like a signed Paul Stastny. Headache for headache, eh? Yakupov, come on down!

 

[RGY]

Del Zotto and Brassard won't land Granlund. The two could, however, land an older 2nd line center like a signed Paul Stastny. Headache for headache, eh? Yakupov, come on down!

Dagoon said it was a defenseman.

Del Zotto for Gardiner and prospect.

 

[Trxjw]

I wouldn't trade Del Zotto for a pick, unless I knew there was a very good chance that it would be in the top-5 of this draft. I'd gamble on that. Mid round pick? Nah, we could do better.

I think adding at least one mid-to-late first between Girardi and Callahan is easily done. If we want picks, it should come via those two. An 'A' prospect and a 1st rounder in the draft for each.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Dagoon said it was a defenseman.

Del Zotto for Gardiner and prospect.

He also said the trade was happening yesterday. Tic-toc, Tic-toc....

 

[Blue Blooded]

Dagoon said it was a defenseman.

Del Zotto for Gardiner and prospect.

Does Del Zotto still have more value than Gardiner? I' think if we could get Gardiner for MDZ straight up a deal would have already been made.

It should have already been made at the very least.

 

[GAGLine]

Does Del Zotto still have more value than Gardiner?

I would think so, but wouldn't be surprised if toronto feels differently. What has Gardiner proven compared to MDZ? Both the same age, yet MDZ has played 285 career regular season games and 32 playoff games. He's put up 129 total points in those games. Gardiner has 130 regular season games and 6 playoff games, scoring a total of 52 points.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I would think so, but wouldn't be surprised if toronto feels differently. What has Gardiner proven compared to MDZ? Both the same age, yet MDZ has played 285 career regular season games and 32 playoff games. He's put up 129 total points in those games. Gardiner has 130 regular season games and 6 playoff games, scoring a total of 52 points.

Gardiner has shown more puck moving- and play driving ability than Del Zotto though. I think Gardiner is by far the more promising player, age be damned. Toronto is just a black hole of suck currently, and Carlyle is probably the worst coach imaginable for Gardiner.

 

[RGY]

I was just speculating. I'd prefer to keep Del Zotto.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I would prefer not to keep Del Zotto.

He's playing for a coach that refuses to put him in his natural position. He can't play the position he's in right now effectively.

His value will only continue to plummet.