Speculation: Trade Thread Part XI: New year...no trades.
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I don't know much about Lindholm. McGinn is someone this board has coveted since last year, maybe before.
Look at what Jordan got as a 3c. Murphy, then some other prospects. We have cap room to sign veterans. I think the correct move is replenishing the system.
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I have to wonder if trading Staal is even on Slats' radar right now with all the upcoming UFA and RFAs this summer. I don't really envision him actively shopping Staal at the moment with Del Zotto and possibly Girardi on the block. If other teams approach him about Staal then I think he'll consider it.
Canes aren't rebuilding. Meaning to be in that front office you're not thinking "we're not going anywhere these next two years" you're thinking "what's the next step to be a contender now"?
You may have that opinion of them, but i'm sure their front office doesn't have that outlook for the next 2 years. The 3rd place reference I made is to say that they're on the upswing, especially from last year, and will be making moves to improve. Getting Staal would be classified as that.
I'm sure you absolutely love playing devil's advocate... but that's not a reason not to trade for Staal if you're the canes.
And I don't understand your second question.
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Lots of words that say absolutely nothing. Fix the defense? How? Sure, we can go back to zone defense, but how will that affect our transition game? How long will it take the team to adjust and how many games will we lose because of it?
Make Nash work? Make McD a Norris candidate? Develop the kids? Make inconsistent players more consistent? Please show us your magic formula for accomplishing all these things. You can't make people into something they are not.
I'm a big believer in the impact a coach can have on a team, both negatively and positively. I'm a believer that strategy plays a large part in how well a team performs. But there's only so much a coach can do.
Instead of asking AV to turn water into wine, maybe we should just find him some ******* wine.
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You've been brainwashed by this current regime. Most organizations have the ability look and plan beyond the season right in front of them.
Lindholm is a solid prospect. currently in the AHL but played a little bit in the NHL this year. former 1st round pick of 2013... id love if he was included in any deal with the Canes. big fan of his..
Lindholm is an extremely talented player who is already an important offensive contributor for his top men’s league team. Possesses incredible hands, stickhandling skills and passing capabilities for a player his age. Displays well above-average ability to read and understand the game. Elias is strong at side-stepping checks and interpreting where opponents intend to pass or where they plan on skating, taking advantage of this to often pick off passes or hold up opposing skaters. Makes wonderful use of the ice and is strong in transition.
Management has publicly stated that they believe Lindholm will be ready for full time NHL action if he impresses in camp. The last Carolina first round pick to bypass the lower leagues was Calder Trophy winner Jeff Skinner.
Good luck trying to pry Lindholm away from the Canes. Staal is a good starting point, but to think they'd be adding Murphy on top of that is a bit ridiculous. I don't know why McGinn was mentioned in your proposal or where he factors into this - he does not play for Carolina. Are you talking about McBain? Because he doesn't play for them anymore either.
Have a feeling that week between Olympics ending and trade deadline will be enjoyable for trades and speculation.
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Brock McGinn. A 2nd round pick of the Canes currently in the OHL.
EDIT: Problem with these proposals is that the Canes have very little offensive depth (Dwyer and Gerbe are in the top 6 right now) and very few offensive prospects (Lindholm, Rask and McGinn are about the only 3).
I understand why the NYR would want a return like that though, but the Canes just can't afford it.
im talking about Brock McGinn younger brother of Jamie McGinn. Brock is a prospect of the Canes..
maybe Staal for Lindholm, Mcginn, and Rasmus Rissanen???
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I seriously doubt the Canes would trade even Lindholm, at least not anytime soon. Not saying that Marc (when healthy) isn't worth more, but Lindholm was the #5 pick in this most recent draft and has hardly scratched the surface right now. He's shown glimpses of being a Nicklas Backstrom type player (not saying he'll eve reach that level). They are going to see what they have in him before even thinking about shipping him off somewhere in a trade.
The Rangers don't have to trade Staal to Carolina. Another team could take him for a year and try to sign him. They get a full year out of him. If the Rangers trade Staal by March 5,that team would have Staal for 2 playoff runs. There is one month until the Olympic break and then one week until the deadline when the NHL plays again. 5 weeks. Maybe the Leafs could be players for Girardi or Staal. Toronto would attempt to re-sign them.
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Are you suggesting Murray Jr. was the one pulling for Ottawa to acquire Del Zotto? Buffalo has a lot of great prospects that I'd be interested in.
Does Buffalo see Myers as a piece moving forward in the rebuild? How attached are they to prospects like Armia and Girgensons? Pysyk would be a nice add too.
Acquiring Myers for Del Zotto and Brassard gives the Rangers leeway to trade Girardi for some nice pieces if his demands are ridiculous. Another route is acquiring Pysyk and Armia for Del Zotto and a mid round pick. Lots of possibilities if Buffalo is willing to talk shop.
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To be honest I'd be more willing to deal with Buffalo. They have more pieces that the Rangers would be interested in. If they deal with Ottawa I want Zibanejad, Lazar, or Ceci. That's about it.
I could see Buffalo having interest in Del Zotto, but not at the expense of anything truly valuable to us. Pysyk, Ristolainen and Zadorov are likely all off limits, and for good reason. In terms of RHD, that pretty much leaves Myers (highly unlikely) and McBain.
Grigorenko has had some issues there. Wonder if he could be a target. Rangers were rumored to be hot for him on draft day. Buffalo will likely be picking between Reinhart and Ekblad on draft day. Defense is a strength, and Reinhart is the clear #1, IMO. Take the center and move Grigorenko for a lefty defender named Michael Del Zotto.
Grigorenko has had some issues there. Wonder if he could be a target. Rangers were rumored to be hot for him on draft day. Buffalo will likely be picking between Reinhart and Ekblad on draft day. Defense is a strength, and Reinhart is the clear #1, IMO. Take the center and move Grigorenko for a lefty defender named Michael Del Zotto.
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I would think that if all of Del Zotto, Staal, and Girardi are shipped out, that they would get at least on capable top 4 defenseman back. Although I hate that it's the case, Del Zotto is all but gone. Girardi should be traded if his contract demands are ridiculous and the team can get a good return back. Staal can be dealt with next season unless they get an offer they can't refuse.
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I could see Buffalo having interest in Del Zotto, but not at the expense of anything truly valuable to us. Pysyk, Ristolainen and Zadorov are likely all off limits, and for good reason. In terms of RHD, that pretty much leaves Myers (highly unlikely) and McBain.
Grigorenko has had some issues there. Wonder if he could be a target. Rangers were rumored to be hot for him on draft day. Buffalo will likely be picking between Reinhart and Ekblad on draft day. Defense is a strength, and Reinhart is the clear #1, IMO. Take the center and move Grigorenko for a lefty defender named Michael Del Zotto.
I'd love for that to happen.
But if Buffalo is smart they won't and they can then build around an insane defense with Ekblad and Grigs or Reinhart and Grigs down the center.
That's the kind of trade we should be looking to do, I'd be willing to sweeten that deal.
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