Salary Cap: Trade Thread # LXVI: Well..... Were waiting!?!?

[Empoleon8771]

That would be a ton better of a trade to pull off. Marino needs immediately replaced where Petts spot is already filled.

Fingers crossed that's the base of a deal and to be honest is pretty fair. Especially when comparing Kap vs Boeser and their production not being all that different.

No, I don't think that's fair unless you're throwing a 1st on top of it and JR values Kapanen and Pettersson higher than their perceived value right now.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I am starting to have weird premonitions about the Pens getting JT Miller instead of Boeser.

And the Pens would be worse for it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Eh?

A 3rd isn't in line with a 2nd, but a 2nd is.

DOC is a B prospect, or at least as much of one as POJ. B- at least.

And ERod has actual value unlike Schaller.

Maybe the prospect gap value between our B- guys and Madden as a solid B is too much, but it's really not a million miles away.

The controversial part there I guess is maybe DOC = POJ, but that seems pretty fair to me.

I think this is my point of doubt. I don't know whether I agree or disagree with you. I think O'Connor is super tough to evaluate as a prospect. His AHL resume is fantastic and suggests he has more upside than what many assume, but there just seems to be this vibe that he tops out as an all around bottom-6 guy at best.

 

[Flying Dego]

No, I don't think that's fair unless you're throwing a 1st on top of it and JR values Kapanen and Pettersson higher than their perceived value right now.

JR is one to look for players he likes vs extracting full value.

Though I don't care to add a pick to a trade like this but Hextall probably feels otherwise. Removing the Petts contract is a big win beyond this year.

 

[orby]

The Penguins don't have the assets to pull off Miller, even if they're dangling Marino as a trade chip.

I know it isn't realistic...but I also know that Jim Rutherford is a madman.

 

[Andy99]

And the Pens would be worse for it.

uh no way…Miller is way better, at least for the next few years, which is all we care about. He’d be a great Rust replacement too

 

[Empoleon8771]

Listening to that Friedman talk, he does a good job at laying out why a trade between Vancouver and Pittsburgh is so hard. The Canucks are in a pretty terrible cap position due to Benning's time there, so a big thing they're trying to do now is clear out some of those cap problems. But on that same point, why would another team willingly take on those cap issues unless they knew how to solve them?

Friedman mentions Boeser's QO as an example of this, but they just have a ton of players who fall in this category. If you're trading Pettersson to Vancouver, it basically has to be money in for money out because of their awful cap situation. Their "money out" would have to be guys like Pearson (which I wouldn't hate btw), Dickinson, Myers and Poolman.

Speaking of Pearson, would you do Pettersson for Pearson? You save some money and add a winger who had a history of success with Carter. JR has traded Pearson once before and Hextall is familiar with Pearson from his time in LA.

 

[Gurglesons]

Pettersson and Kapanen for Boeser and Poolman would be hilarious.

It also matches up cap wise.

 

[Andy99]

Question: why are “ignored member” posts showing up for me when I don’t have any ignored members? I checked my list and there are no members I’m ignoring. Can some mod please explain? Thanks

 

[Turin]

I can’t overstate how shitty Poolman is

 

[Peat]

I think this is my point of doubt. I don't know whether I agree or disagree with you. I think O'Connor is super tough to evaluate as a prospect. His AHL resume is fantastic and suggests he has more upside than what many assume, but there just seems to be this vibe that he tops out as an all around bottom-6 guy at best.

He was a B/B- before falling out of The Athletic's age cut-off. You could argue that in that time we've got a sense of his ceiling contracting but I'm not a 100% that's happened. He's had a long scoreless stint without much talent or stability, but he's shown his offence can pop. His AHL numbers remain great. Plus side, he's shown he can drive possession at the NHL level and look like a plus athlete, which I think inflates things. He pans out, he's a plus third liner due to his speed and size, with maybe the potential to be a quality top six third wheel if he processes the game well enough

I guess not every team would agree with me putting there, but I can easily believe there's teams that would. And maybe think higher of him than POJ tbh. I think POJ's ceiling looks a little more sure, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if DOC became the better player, and there's less power forwards than there all-round dmen you don't really want on special teams.

 

[SEALBound]

Core problem that they did surgery on, then an operation on his spine for a herniated disc the same season. Pretty much missed the entire season.

Pre-injury Bjugstad would have been interesting to see here, especially with Sid after what he did with Huber and Barkov.

 

[Gurglesons]

He was a B/B- before falling out of The Athletic's age cut-off. You could argue that in that time we've got a sense of his ceiling contracting but I'm not a 100% that's happened. He's had a long scoreless stint without much talent or stability, but he's shown his offence can pop. His AHL numbers remain great. Plus side, he's shown he can drive possession at the NHL level and look like a plus athlete, which I think inflates things. He pans out, he's a plus third liner due to his speed and size, with maybe the potential to be a quality top six third wheel if he processes the game well enough

I guess not every team would agree with me putting there, but I can easily believe there's teams that would. And maybe think higher of him than POJ tbh. I think POJ's ceiling looks a little more sure, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if DOC became the better player, and there's less power forwards than there all-round dmen you don't really want on special teams.

DOC should be up playing right now over ZAR IMO.

 

[Flying Dego]

Pettersson and Kapanen for Boeser and Poolman would be hilarious.

It also matches up cap wise.

Can we do Schenn instead of Poolman? I'd add a bit more from us if they'd work with it.

 

[Ugene Magic]

uh no way…Miller is way better, at least for the next few years, which is all we care about. He’d be a great Rust replacement too

So you think Miller who's spent years as a center is just going to stay the same as a winger. Totally ignore he only exploded being a top center in Vancouver?

The center position is filled, unless they are letting Geno walk, but in the meantime, he's going to get reduced minutes and likely on the PP too. Value sunk...

 

[Flying Dego]

DOC should be up playing right now over ZAR IMO.

Quick! Remove this post before Sullivan sees it!

ZAR is on an 82 goal pace over his last 1 games played.

 

[Gurglesons]

Can we do Schenn instead of Poolman? I'd add a bit more from us if they'd work with it.

I imagine it is basically Kapanen for Boeser and Petts and Poolman for the cap consideration. Ultimately it is a lot easier to pay 2.5 for a # 7 then 4 which is what we are currently doing.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I know JFresh's chart says he sucks, but has anyone actually seen Poolman play and comment on why he sucks? His chart from McCurdy isn't horrible:



It's a bad contract of course, but $2.5 million for a blah bottom pair RD who kills penalties doesn't seem like the end of the world. I just don't know whether he is "blah", though.

 

[Peat]

Speaking of Pearson, would you do Pettersson for Pearson? You save some money and add a winger who had a history of success with Carter. JR has traded Pearson once before and Hextall is familiar with Pearson from his time in LA.

I want a guy who I think can gel with Malkin tho. Admittedly he did for like 4 games, but I think the team should be aiming to get Malkin some help and let Carter work it out with whoever.

(I have no idea how Pearson's been this season).

Pre-injury Bjugstad would have been interesting to see here, especially with Sid after what he did with Huber and Barkov.

Bjugs played a few games with Sid and just didn't really seem to be on the same wavelength.

DOC should be up playing right now over ZAR IMO.

Possibly/probably not fit enough after a punctured lung, and then there's sidedness... but yeah, would like to see it.

Tbh, if we just wanted to fit in an extra mofo rather than fiddling with hockey trades, ZAR out new guy in would sound great.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Regarding Poolman, don't forget the Pens have the D-whisperer in Reirden.

 

[Andy99]

So you think Miller who's spent years as a center is just going to stay the same as a winger. Totally ignore he only exploded being a top center in Vancouver?

The center position is filled, unless they are letting Geno walk, but in the meantime, he's going to get reduced minutes and likely on the PP too. Value sunk...

he was good as a winger too. He’s been a better goal scorer lately and not just on the PP, which is what we need…he won’t get PP1 opportunities this season with the Pens but there aren’t many of those in the playoffs anyway…but he would be a Rust replacement on PP next season

 

[SEALBound]

I can’t overstate how shitty Poolman is

Which is odd because I really liked his game when he was with Winnipeg. He was even someone i had on our trade or sign radar. But then he gets paid, goes to Van city, and stinks. He could just need a change of scenery. That said, I would give him the benefit of the doubt initially and let him prove himself. Lord knows if there was ever a place for a dman to come here and find his game again, it's here.

He was a B/B- before falling out of The Athletic's age cut-off. You could argue that in that time we've got a sense of his ceiling contracting but I'm not a 100% that's happened. He's had a long scoreless stint without much talent or stability, but he's shown his offence can pop. His AHL numbers remain great. Plus side, he's shown he can drive possession at the NHL level and look like a plus athlete, which I think inflates things. He pans out, he's a plus third liner due to his speed and size, with maybe the potential to be a quality top six third wheel if he processes the game well enough

I guess not every team would agree with me putting there, but I can easily believe there's teams that would. And maybe think higher of him than POJ tbh. I think POJ's ceiling looks a little more sure, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if DOC became the better player, and there's less power forwards than there all-round dmen you don't really want on special teams.

Okay, well what's the grading scale? A, B, C, D, F? I generally say A is your blue-chip, B is your long-shot hopefuls, and C is your AHL/ECHL journeymen.

I would put DOC in the A- category though because I think he's damn near a lock to be, at the very least, a bottom 6 regular on par with ZAR. That said, I do believe he has the potential to be more if only he could get the roster slot. He's not a fancy name and he doesn't get the "draft pedigree" perk so it will be tough to project "value" to the rest of the teams. Probably more valuable to us than in a trade unless someone in the receiving team has experience with him.

Can we do Schenn instead of Poolman? I'd add a bit more from us if they'd work with it.

Yes please.

I do hope Hextall does something soon. Looking at the rest of the season, if you wait until TDL time you aren't giving guy a ton of time to find their groove before the playoffs. I would love to have a new guy beginning to gel right around now and not mid-April.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Dom didn't mince words when he saw the contract

 

[Honour Over Glory]

@Honour Over Glory Copp got killed tonight. So take him off our list.

May he rest in LTIR.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

glad to see you regain your cheery disposition.

Ooh I can like posts again.