Salary Cap: Trade Thread # LXVI: Well..... Were waiting!?!?

[Khelandros]

sully thought it was going to be a physical game and benched him.

Where was this stated? I though it was because he took a puck to the face the game before.

 

[Gurglesons]

Lead up to this trade deadline makes me think this will be a buyers market.

 

[Ugene Magic]

lol. No Jim Rutherford is a moron. And Bjugstad had 16 points in 45 games here after having 12 in 32 making 4 million.

Actually, Bjugstad had a back or core injury and missed significant time. IIRC

Getting out from him was a good thing. He's currently on a .900 1 year deal.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

You're not wrong and it's a valid point but teams don't value players solely on ability or potential return because teams are still a business. Especially a team that's consistently been tripe, such as our noted friends up north. They still need people in the seats so if you can't offer them quality you have to offer them warm fuzzies like hometown boys who WANT to be on your crappy team.

Remember how nuts the fans in Vegas were for Deryk Engelland because he lived there? Wasn't born there, but just had a house somewhere nearby?

Ryan Malone
How many times did we hear Umberger rumors
Gibson too

 

[Flying Dego]

I'd be happy if we could offload Petts, garner a potential top 6 wing. I assume Kapanen would be the trade piece for that.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Lead up to this trade deadline makes me think this will be a buyers market.

We've had these before. Zippo happens, then it's 1 small domino to create an entire slew of trades.

We've also had TDL's where a ton of minor deals occur.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

If Alex Tuch is the face of a franchise then they shouldnt deserve to have a hockey team. He is a good player but he's not a player you build a franchse around.

When your the Buffalo Sabers in their current position he basically is. The fans love his game, he's a hometown boy. Highly unlikely traded unless they get a haul for him and that haul isn't coming from us

 

[Ugene Magic]

We've had these before. Zippo happens, then it's 1 small domino to create an entire slew of trades.

We've also had TDL's where a ton of minor deals occur.

We are also used to some significant deals weeks ahead of the TDL and pretty much nothing of note so far. A lot of signings and waiver pickups. All of the contenders are at/near the cap, with some not looking like they need anyone. Just some teams who need to catchup or need depth.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

We are also used to some significant deals weeks ahead of the TDL and pretty much nothing of note so far. A lot of signings and waiver pickups. All of the contenders are at/near the cap, with some not looking like they need anyone. Just some teams who need to catchup or need depth.

True.
The keystone in all of this are the teams with cap space- are they willing to broker deals to break the logjam? So far they really haven't.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Lovejoy had played 21:05, 19:38, and 22:55 a night in the post-season the three years before we won and Letang covered for reclamation project Schultz in the finals by playing 29:09 a night. I don't think Letang can do that now and Ruhwedel's proven ability is nothing like Lovejoy's. Those are pretty big differences between then and now and if anything, say we should be reinforcing the position and not treating it as subtractable from.

I also suspect you've overrating what Rakell's worth. 2nd and B prospect seems fair for a rental top 6ish winger who doesn't bring major intangibles. That was the price for Toffoli back in 2020 (plus a Schaller cap dump, not counting the conditional resigning pick). Seems like the only way he should get more is if there's no other guys like him on the market and everybody wants one.

That return is more in line with POJ and Kapanen than ERod, O'Connor and a 2nd/3rd.

 

[Peat]

Actually, Bjugstad had a back or core injury and missed significant time. IIRC

Getting out from him was a good thing. He's currently on a .900 1 year deal.

Core problem that they did surgery on, then an operation on his spine for a herniated disc the same season. Pretty much missed the entire season.

 

[Ugene Magic]

True.
The keystone in all of this are the teams with cap space- are they willing to broker deals to break the logjam? So far they really haven't.

Yeah. No panic trades of overspending. I agree with @Gurglesons of a buyers market. That'll happen going to the cusp of the TDL. Some teams will look like they are over spending, but that'll be due to retention or needing to send out bad contracts to make the cap work on higher more expensive targets.

 

[Turin]

I definitely don’t wanna trade DOC. I think he is a regular next year at league min, could take ZARs place.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't understand why everyone is focusing on Bjugstad being injured without responding to the point of "small sample sizes of bad play can tank player values".

Bjugstad was one of like 6 players mentioned. Daley in Chicago, Hagelin in Anaheim, Pearson in LA, Murray in Pittsburgh, Schultz in Edmonton and Bjugstad in Florida all fit the category of guys who had their values absolutely tank due to a bad 20-40 game sample size. If Kapanen doesn't figure his shit out by the end of the year, his value will very quickly fall to "reclamation project" caliber.

 

[StaalForOne]

Actually, Bjugstad had a back or core injury and missed significant time. IIRC

Getting out from him was a good thing. He's currently on a .900 1 year deal.

He had wrist issues in FLA as well IIRC.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Small Marino/Penguins update from Elliotte Friedman (37:05 mark).

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Friedman notes that Pettersson and Marino have both been on Vancouver's radar. Initial smoke was Marino and that Vancouver made a run at him. The Penguins still really value Marino, even though he's had a tougher year (my input - he's also had the toughest assignments of any defenseman on the team).

Friedman said the teams have really struggled on a match. Struggling with a mix of players and with the potential contracts involved. A lot of that difficulty has to do with Vancouver being tight to the cap, too, and having some unwieldy contracts, including Boeser's huge qualifying offer.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I will shit bricks if Vancouver wants Pettersson and would pay real value for him.

Come on GMJR, give us Boeser for Pettersson and Kapanen. You know you wanna do it.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I definitely don’t wanna trade DOC. I think he is a regular next year at league min, could take ZARs place.

It was just an example.

 

[orby]

I am starting to have weird premonitions about the Pens getting JT Miller instead of Boeser.

 

[Flying Dego]

I will shit bricks if Vancouver wants Pettersson and would pay real value for him.

Come on GMJR, give us Boeser for Pettersson and Kapanen. You know you wanna do it.

That would be a ton better of a trade to pull off. Marino needs immediately replaced where Petts spot is already filled.

Fingers crossed that's the base of a deal and to be honest is pretty fair. Especially when comparing Kap vs Boeser and their production not being all that different.

 

[Turin]

Small Marino/Penguins update from Elliotte Friedman (37:05 mark).

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Friedman notes that Pettersson and Marino have both been on Vancouver's radar. Initial smoke was Marino and that Vancouver made a run at him. The Penguins still really value Marino, even though he's had a tougher year (my input - he's also had the toughest assignments of any defenseman on the team).

Friedman said the teams have really struggled on a match. Struggling with a mix of players and with the potential contracts involved. A lot of that difficulty has to do with Vancouver being tight to the cap, too, and having some unwieldy contracts, including Boeser's huge qualifying offer.

So our theory is essentially confirmed. Van wants Marino, Pitts never made him available it’s just smoke and wish-casting from Vans side. Pettersson was always the guy they were comfortable moving. Also goes with what Hextall recently said about size not mattering if you’re a beanpole and shows that Petts being moved out of the lineup probably isn’t just performance related. All Van has is literal nobodies on the left side after Hughes and OEL and OEL is a disaster contract they’re gonna wanna get out of.

 

[Peat]

I don't understand why everyone is focusing on Bjugstad being injured without responding to the point of "small sample sizes of bad play can tank player values".

Bjugstad was one of like 6 players mentioned. Daley in Chicago, Hagelin in Anaheim, Pearson in LA, Murray in Pittsburgh, Schultz in Edmonton and Bjugstad in Florida all fit the category of guys who had their values absolutely tank due to a bad 20-40 game sample size. If Kapanen doesn't figure his shit out by the end of the year, his value will very quickly fall to "reclamation project" caliber.

Because Bjugstad really blatantly shouldn't be on the list for his time as a Penguin and nobody can be bothered to respond to the rest of just yet

 

[Empoleon8771]

I am starting to have weird premonitions about the Pens getting JT Miller instead of Boeser.

The Penguins don't have the assets to pull off Miller, even if they're dangling Marino as a trade chip.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

The Penguins don't have the assets to pull off Miller, even if they're dangling Marino as a trade chip.

Probably not, be we know all too well that Rutherford will gladly overpay for what he wants.

 

[Peat]

That return is more in line with POJ and Kapanen than ERod, O'Connor and a 2nd/3rd.

Eh?

A 3rd isn't in line with a 2nd, but a 2nd is.

DOC is a B prospect, or at least as much of one as POJ. B- at least.

And ERod has actual value unlike Schaller.

Maybe the prospect gap value between our B- guys and Madden as a solid B is too much, but it's really not a million miles away.

The controversial part there I guess is maybe DOC = POJ, but that seems pretty fair to me.