Speculation: Trade Speculation Part III

[apice3*]

Yeah I think we would mind Barch less if his presence wasn't forcing CBGB into 3rd line duty.

But it is.

No it isnt. The lack of top 6 talent forcing guys like Clarkson, Poni, and a healthy Zubrus into top 6 roles is what is forcing CBGB into a 3rd line role.

Why aren't other teams playing their goons then if it's so necessary. NYI sat Boulton when we played them last, Carolina hasn't been playing Westgarth, I don't think Pittsburgh even has a goon on their roster. The Red Wings haven't had a goon on their roster for a number of years. The Capitals don't have a goon, neither does Ottawa.

first, at least half of those teams arent making the playoffs so we shouldnt model our team after them.

Also, isnt pitt really easy to play against physically?

Boulton and Westgarth dont play because they arent good. Barch plays because he is capable of playing. Most goons arent.

I bet Ottawa wishes they had a goon when Karlsson got hurt. Pittsburgh had Asham last year. Detroit is an exception because they always seems to have 12 good forwards.

If we were scratching a notable player, id understand the wanting of barch scratched, but its not like hes taking someones spot away right now

 

[NJDpassantino]

In all seriousness I think we need one more piece on the top 6 and a Top 2 dman. Imagine how good we would be. Im sorry, but if we make the playoffs, Salvador is not gonna be a offensive guy. We all should know this, and Zidlicky is good, but terrible at times on D. I think we have to stop putting him on the PP unit and give Adam L some time and get his offensive confidence rolling.

I know we are not going to get another Dman, but our top 6 need help quick. Poni is not a 1st or 2nd line player. He is a good 3rd liner and in game can be versatile if someone goes down. We need another Clarkson type power forward who is going to score a lot. Iginla is the best available (if he really is). Another player who no one has said is Blake Wheeler. He is a huge body that has offensive talent. If we could get him to play along Kovy and Zajac. That is a big line to go up against.

 

[Bleedred]

Poni on the first line doesn't bother me that bad. There are better options out there. Unfortunately not on our team unless we break up the 2nd line then we got a bad 2nd line.

Now Matteau on the 1st line. Made me wanna electrocute myself.

We also have to come to terms that Clarkson is no longer a bottom 6 player. This Summer he won't be paid like a bottom 6 player either.

 

[Zippy316]

I've seen it all.

Jet proposal on the trade board:

Henrique + Larsson + 1st round pick

Ladd + Wheeler

 

[Traitor Zach]

Poni on the first line doesn't bother me that bad. There are better options out there. Unfortunately not on our team unless we break up the 2nd line then we got a bad 2nd line.

Now Matteau on the 1st line. Made me wanna electrocute myself.

We also have to come to terms that Clarkson is no longer a bottom 6 player. This Summer he won't be paid like a bottom 6 player either.

Will be interesting to see considering Zubrus and Elias are also hitting free agency.

 

[Zippy316]

Will be interesting to see considering Zubrus and Elias are also hitting free agency.

Elias ~ 5 million. If he wants six, give it to him.
Clarkson ~ 4.5 - 5 to resign. Open market, he'd hit 5+ easy.
Zubrus ~ 2.5 - 3
Henrique ~ 2.5 - 3 two years or 3.75 - 4 for four years (like Zajac's deal)
Josefson ~ 1 million for two years.
Ponikarovsky ~ 1.5 million

If you take the high end on those deals, it's a combined 18.5 million, if Henrique gets the latter deal, then 19.5.

I think that's fair value for each player, and no guarantees we sign them all either. 25 million in cap space for the Devils next year too.

Josefson, Butler, and Loktionov barring some break out year, won't make more than 1.25 million.

 

[Saugus]

When is the Trade-Deadline this year?

so, for me, there are those players i would like to see becoming Devils...and who are, I BELIEVE, available to trade...

1) Setoguchi. Like him. Top6 RW. lost in Minnesota, would find his wheels again with Henrique or Zajac as center and would learn to play D in NJ as Kovi did, too...should become a pretty complete player then

2) Weiss. Good Center, should be available. should boost our bottom 6.

3) St. Louis would really be nice, but i dont see him leave TB

4) Matt D'Agostini, good RW to play bottom 6. has potential to play top 6 IMO.

5) Logan Couture. perfect C. but i dont see him leave SJ.

and, for me, i think to get them, we can trade Tallinder, maybe Barch and Pick(s)

Out of these, I think the only realistic targets are D'Agostini and Weiss. The rest won't be traded.

I've seen it all.

Jet proposal on the trade board:

Henrique + Larsson + 1st round pick

Ladd + Wheeler

Holy dog****, Cheveldayoff better be wearing a mask and brandishing a gun when he makes that offer to Lou.

 

[Chessarmy]

No it isnt. The lack of top 6 talent forcing guys like Clarkson, Poni, and a healthy Zubrus into top 6 roles is what is forcing CBGB into a 3rd line role.

I think Clarkson has proven he can handle being in the top 6. The guy comes within inches of scoring almost every game

 

[Bgav]

I've seen it all.

Jet proposal on the trade board:

Henrique + Larsson + 1st round pick

Ladd + Wheeler

wow that's terrible

 

[Bleedred]

What a BS trade! Are you kidding me?

 

[Traitor Zach]

I'm a bit wary of giving Clarkson a big contract in terms of length and dollars. I'm not sure I'd go to the 5 million per mark. He's a guy who really is playing in a system which is tailor made for him in terms of a forecheck/puck possession style and while he's improved in several respects, he's still pretty slow and not a good skater/passer.

 

[Devil X]

I've seen it all.

Jet proposal on the trade board:

Henrique + Larsson + 1st round pick

Ladd + Wheeler

Counter

Salvador + Poni

for

Kane + Enstrom + First

Seems Legit!

 

[NJDpassantino]

I'm a bit wary of giving Clarkson a big contract in terms of length and dollars. I'm not sure I'd go to the 5 million per mark. He's a guy who really is playing in a system which is tailor made for him in terms of a forecheck/puck possession style and while he's improved in several respects, he's still pretty slow and not a good skater/passer.

I agree with you, but his stats do not lie. Cant let him go to free agency caus he will get 5mil or more on the open market. Only way I would approve is if we pick up a big ufa. I think Clackrson is a heart and soul guy that the devils need on this team. He is the definition of a Devil hockey player.

 

[Bleedred]

I agree with you, but his stats do not lie. Cant let him go to free agency caus he will get 5mil or more on the open market. Only way I would approve is if we pick up a big ufa. I think Clackrson is a heart and soul guy that the devils need on this team. He is the definition of a Devil hockey player.

Yup we're gonna need a UFA to replace him if he does walk. No more Tedenby, or other crap to replace him like we did with Zach this year. That's not gonna work if we lose Clarkson.

 

[kiwidevil]

Clarkson's passing and skating has improved quite a bit and then there is always the small point of WHO GIVES A ****, HE SCORES GOALS. Seems like a weekly mission on these boards to try and prove that Clarkson is a fluke and can't play hockey.

Set aside the fact that he is a great pest and a good middle weight fighter. He is a very rare commodity.

But let's talk about his skating and aesthetic rating, rather than what he does for the team.

 

[Bleedred]

There's also this notion that Clarkson should still be on the 3rd line. Sorry, but I think those days are over for him. He's no longer a 3rd liner, and unfortunately for us he will not be paid like one either.

 

[apice3*]

Clarkson can certainly handle a 2nd line role but I think on a deep team he'd be an elite 3rd liner.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Elias ~ 5 million. If he wants six, give it to him.
Clarkson ~ 4.5 - 5 to resign. Open market, he'd hit 5+ easy.
Zubrus ~ 2.5 - 3
Henrique ~ 2.5 - 3 two years or 3.75 - 4 for four years (like Zajac's deal)
Josefson ~ 1 million for two years.
Ponikarovsky ~ 1.5 million

If you take the high end on those deals, it's a combined 18.5 million, if Henrique gets the latter deal, then 19.5.

I think that's fair value for each player, and no guarantees we sign them all either. 25 million in cap space for the Devils next year too.

Josefson, Butler, and Loktionov barring some break out year, won't make more than 1.25 million.

Ya that is what I am expecting as well. Still leaves a good amount of cap space if tallinder and zidlicky are off the books. If they keep 1 of Zubrus or Poni then that is even more. Although it may be a dream to discuss which stud UFA we want here.

 

[apice3*]

I don't think Zubrus will be back next season. Just a feeling.

 

[Bleedred]

I don't think Zubrus will be back next season. Just a feeling.

Really? I would have said there's a chance we move on from him, but seeing as how he seems to be sort of a mentor to Matteau I don't think that way anymore.

 

[apice3*]

The last time we signed a player to be a mentor was Tallinder. Look how that's working.

It's a baseless feeling I have. I just don't think he'll be back. No reason why.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

I could see us letting Zubrus walk depending on how some of the kids pan out and if we accquire anyone else.

Mentorship roles and resigning is overrated. Look at Tallinder

 

[TaiMaiShu]

No way is Elias makng less next year. i think he will be paid between 6-7 next year on a 3 year deal that's hopefully under 5AAV.

 

[apice3*]

Elias will prob get the same cap hit he has now. It's hard to justify giving a player a raise at age 36, even if it's Elias.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

It's a brutal proposal but Wheeler and Ladd are still 2 fantastic hockey players. Both are so underrated, they are maybe in my top 5 forwards that'd fit the best our system.