Speculation: Trade Speculation Part III

[Bleedred]

I don't think Pete likes using the goons as much as you think. He wouldn't even put Janssen in game 1 for Philadelphia, and he seemed to be actually considering it. Kovy was hurting bad, and didn't Janssen even take warm ups? Lemaire actually put PL3 in playoffs games in 2010 against the Flyers. Lemaire also scratched Sykora for Oliwa in the 98 playoffs too.

I think he's using them for depth purposes. Not to mention the only team we've played lately where he didn't need them was against the Sens. He could have inserted Matteau there. Now with Carter not playing you can bet we'll be seeing a lot more Barch.

 

[Rob Nieds work ethic]

You don't play goons in the playoffs because playoff hockey is so different from the regular season. It's usually more disciplined, tight-checking and about controlling emotions.

I like having Barch here, but like last year with Janssen and Boulton, he shouldn't see any ice time in the playoffs.

 

[devilsblood]

I don't think Pete likes using the goons as much as you think. He wouldn't even put Janssen in game 1 for Philadelphia, and he seemed to be actually considering it. Kovy was hurting bad, and didn't Janssen even take warm ups? Lemaire actually put PL3 in playoffs games in 2010 against the Flyers. Lemaire also scratched Sykora for Oliwa in the 98 playoffs too.

I think he's using them for depth purposes. Not to mention the only team we've played lately where he didn't need them was against the Sens. He could have inserted Matteau there. Now with Carter not playing you can bet we'll be seeing a lot more Barch.

Shows that Deboer is not the only one who thinks goons are effective. But Deboer def uses the goon chip.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm still not convinced Deboer likes the goons as much as you think.

Last year when Zajac came back, and Josefson was healthy both Janssen and Boulton were sitting in the box upstairs. Only to play again in the one game after Yayo was injured before Gio got called up. And in a game where Clarkie sat out before the playoffs.

If we had a little more depth on our team I think he would sit them a couple games, and only play them always against the division and tough teams like Boston and only occasionally against others.

And look who's sitting for Barch. Matteau, and in my opinion I firmly believe if not for Zubrus's injury Matteau was soon to be returned to his junior team before that went down.

I don't think Pete used tough guys in Florida. Maybe he did though. Who was their tough guy when he was there?

 

[Rob Nieds work ethic]

I don't think Pete used tough guys in Florida. Maybe he did though. Who was their tough guy when he was there?

They had Hordichuk (64 games) in 2010-11, MacIntyre (18) and Tarnasky (31) in 2009-10 and Belak (15) and Tarnasky (34) in 2008-09

 

[apice3*]

People that want Barch sent down are just begging for scapegoats because all of our forwards are likeable for the most part.

Barch has done nothing wrong, he needs to be on the roster, and I guarantee he will play 0 minutes in this postseason.

 

[aboriginal]

i dont have a single issue with barch. people graspin yo.

 

[Jack Griffin]

People that want Barch sent down are just begging for scapegoats because all of our forwards are likeable for the most part.

Barch has done nothing wrong, he needs to be on the roster, and I guarantee he will play 0 minutes in this postseason.

He needs to be on the roster but not in the playoffs? Why is that

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

i dont have a single issue with barch. people graspin yo.

I don't have an issue with Barch, but when we have a 4th line playing 3rd line, I don't think this team can afford to have Barch in there too. I'd much rather dress both Lotki and Josefson than have Barch. And if you don't want that make a **** trade.

 

[apice3*]

He needs to be on the roster but not in the playoffs? Why is that

Different style of play. More discipline in the playoffs. Players won't take runs in the playoffs because of the importance of all 20 players being available for every second of every game. Players don't want to sit in the box, get ejected, or suspended, so there is a lot less of the dirty plays that exist in the regular season. Barch needs to be available to police the dirty players. He doesn't need to do that in the playoffs.

 

[aboriginal]

yea theres def times when hes used incorrectly. but thats on deebo. and as evidenced with fayne, he makes some bonehead moves. unless of course fayne is hurt but still.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

yea theres def times when hes used incorrectly. but thats on deebo. and as evidenced with fayne, he makes some bonehead moves. unless of course fayne is hurt but still.

I know I cringed during the Pens game when Barch would be out there against Crosby or Malkin. It seemed like it happened 5 times. He's been fine for what he is, and if we had another winger to solidify the offense I wouldn't complain, but I don't see a need for him with our current roster. He shouldn't be dressed EVERY game at least

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

Yeah I think we would mind Barch less if his presence wasn't forcing CBGB into 3rd line duty.

But it is.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Barch has been fine and a pleasant surprise this season. I imagine Zubrus should be back by the end of the year and can jump in for him and form a formidable 3rd line.

 

[Jack Griffin]

Different style of play. More discipline in the playoffs. Players won't take runs in the playoffs because of the importance of all 20 players being available for every second of every game. Players don't want to sit in the box, get ejected, or suspended, so there is a lot less of the dirty plays that exist in the regular season. Barch needs to be available to police the dirty players. He doesn't need to do that in the playoffs.

Why aren't other teams playing their goons then if it's so necessary. NYI sat Boulton when we played them last, Carolina hasn't been playing Westgarth, I don't think Pittsburgh even has a goon on their roster. The Red Wings haven't had a goon on their roster for a number of years. The Capitals don't have a goon, neither does Ottawa.

 

[MadDevil]

Yeah I think we would mind Barch less if his presence wasn't forcing CBGB into 3rd line duty.

But it is.

No, a combination of injuries (Zubrus), players underachieving (Josefson), a lack of a third line center, and a rotating group of wingers (Poni, Butler, Matteau, etc.) is why they're the third line. It's not just because Barch is on the team.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

Why aren't other teams playing their goons then if it's so necessary. NYI sat Boulton when we played them last, Carolina hasn't been playing Westgarth, I don't think Pittsburgh even has a goon on their roster. The Red Wings haven't had a goon on their roster for a number of years. The Capitals don't have a goon, neither does Ottawa.

Boulton and Westgarth are beyond simple "goon." Neither of those guys even come close to what little hockey talent Barch has. Pittsburgh may not have an enforcer but half their roster is goons, like Tanner Glass. NYR had Prust and Rupp, now they have Asham and Mashinter. Ottawa has Neil and then Zach Smith who's of Clarkson's ilk.

And the Red Wings haven't bothered with players that can fight since the salary cap was implemented.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

No, a combination of injuries (Zubrus), players underachieving (Josefson), a lack of a third line center, and a rotating group of wingers (Poni, Butler, Matteau, etc.) is why they're the third line. It's not just because Barch is on the team.

This team had Matteau, Josefson, Zubrus, Janssen, and Barch uninjured and on the roster and yet Janssen was still seeing ice time. This is about Pete not wanting to split up the CBGB line and not about team composition.

 

[Oroku Saki*]

I think Barch is fine for his role. He doesn't screw up and can make a play from time to time.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

I think they like to keep an ace up their sleeve for the playoffs. And you'll face sooner or later a division rival there. It's a big advantage to have the depth to play those Rangers, Flyers and Pens with a totally different bottom 6 from the regular season. We're like a different team in the playoffs.

 

[rrekaj13]

I don't see them making a move for now. My guess is they'll lean hard on the top 3 lines and try to let players get healthy. Lou almost always takes his time in trades, especially when the team is competitive despite injuries

 

[Bleedred]

Barch has been a fine goon, but as I keep saying. He's not needed for every game. He doesn't need to be in vs the Caps, or against most of the southeast. Or against the Jets. Now with Carter out though he does have to be. He's an interchangeable part, and has only averaged 50 games a year throughout his career.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Why aren't other teams playing their goons then if it's so necessary. NYI sat Boulton when we played them last, Carolina hasn't been playing Westgarth, I don't think Pittsburgh even has a goon on their roster. The Red Wings haven't had a goon on their roster for a number of years. The Capitals don't have a goon, neither does Ottawa.

What? Eggers got this, nm.

Boulton and Westgarth are beyond simple "goon." Neither of those guys even come close to what little hockey talent Barch has. Pittsburgh may not have an enforcer but half their roster is goons, like Tanner Glass. NYR had Prust and Rupp, now they have Asham and Mashinter. Ottawa has Neil and then Zach Smith who's of Clarkson's ilk.

And the Red Wings haven't bothered with players that can fight since the salary cap was implemented.

 

[Rob Nieds work ethic]

Why aren't other teams playing their goons then if it's so necessary. NYI sat Boulton when we played them last, Carolina hasn't been playing Westgarth, I don't think Pittsburgh even has a goon on their roster. The Red Wings haven't had a goon on their roster for a number of years. The Capitals don't have a goon, neither does Ottawa.

It's more about having fighting ability spread out around your roster, but If you have a pure goon, you can match anything the other team has. Carolina and Detroit though, usually don't carry many fighters at all. The Wings did get Tootoo last year though, which is a bit of a team philosophy changer, IMO.

 

[aboriginal]

barch squad? u are the barch squad!